Govt asks economist Atif Mian to step down from Economic Advisory Council

[Musafir117]

He was not Pakistani. He was born in south Africa to parents of British Indian origin.

Stop lying PTI patwari, his parents are Pakistani idiot same if you have kids and your children born in Malta does you called them Maltian or Pakistani?
afsoos hota when you guys lying dheet panne ke sath. Sharm karo thodi se udhar le kam chalao.

 

[Pak_88]

Better than naya hindustan where Muslim minorities can't even eat what they want to eat. In Pakistan at least these Ahmadis can eat as much beef as they want and l live peacefully.

You don't get it, do you?
Ahmadis don't get killed for eating beef only because it doesn't hurt the sentiments of the majority. The Ahmadis are a minority, and face persecution from the majority, just as the Muslim minority faces persecution from the Hindu majority in India. It's practically analogous.


And is INDIA to be our standard?

NAYA PAKISTAN... still no place for an Ahmedi...

I can still remember one speech where Imran Khan said that fundamentalist and extremists are bad for Pakistan and he will not come under any pressure from such elements... but... one MORE...

U TURN

Illuminating, dear sir. Though, I'm afraid I must ask you to worry more about bharat, and refrain from posting here. That is, of course, unless you have something wise to say regarding this matter.

 

[pzfz]

Allama khadim rizvi

That i can agree with. Phat jaye gi maulana saab ki logon kay saamne. And a hard lesson for bigoted and dumb Pakistanis who support the anti-Atif Mian campaign.

Is he Pakistani national now ?

Dual. Was at least. But now with the hate campaign against him and his community, wouldn't surprise me if he gives up his nationality. I would. If people don't want to be helped AND they oppress your community, anyone would.

 

[Verve]

You have reading comprehension issues. Don't try red-herrings with me.

It's not feasible at the moment. You're indebted and everything you have right now is thanks to the interest system that pervades the world. You have to pay off those debts and in order to do that you need to take even more interest loans so you can grow your way out. Work needs to be done, like at least 100 years worth of work, for Pak or anyone else to arrive at the riba-free place we (and the world) needs to be. It's not a simple case of declaring yourself interest-free and suddenly you're there. A mind like Atif Mian whose expertise is finance, growth, and the macro-economy would've went a long way towards that.

Yes, but the long term declared policy should be to be rid of interest based system.

As I asked before, what expertise does Atif have in developing/advising on interest free system?

It won't take 100 years. Bring the looted money back ($200b++) and the country will become foreign debt free ($90b IMF loans?) and get the economy going to not borrow again. Then reform the local banking system.

 

[war&peace]

You have reading comprehension issues. Don't try red-herrings with me.

It's not feasible at the moment. You're indebted and everything you have right now is thanks to the interest system that pervades the world. You have to pay off those debts and in order to do that you need to take even more interest loans so you can grow your way out. Work needs to be done, like at least 100 years worth of work, for Pak or anyone else to arrive at the riba-free place we (and the world) needs to be. It's not a simple case of declaring yourself interest-free and suddenly you're there. A mind like Atif Mian whose expertise is finance, growth, and the macro-economy would've went a long way towards that.

It will take time. It is not an easy task. But it is doable and should be done.

 

[313ghazi]

It was dumb move to hire him in first place. Not only a Qadyani but famous for attacking Pakistani constitution plus not a Born Qadyani but a convert to Qadyaniat I want to ask who adviced to hire him.When you already have guys in the list who teach at Harvard and other places

That's interesting, I didn't know this about him. Makes you wonder why PTI took the political risk in that case. Would have been wiser to have offered him a role remotely or as a consultant or something like that further down the line. Perhaps even used a shell company or something.

That's not the right approach, or the brave approach, but the politically safe one.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Your idol and formerly my idol just fucked up the entire essence of what we wanted Pakistan to become.

Two things -

• It's not that simple. The government has 101 things on it's agenda. No government can ever fulfil all in 5 years time. Some will be be abandoned for political expediency, others will be tactical retreat etc This is how politics works across the world except for totalitarian states. PTI government is far from that. In fact it is a weak coalition. It must compromise here to gain there. It's a complex of demands, balances and compromises.
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• I do not find it funny. I might understand that compromise had to be made but that is no reason to be happy. I am not a Ahmadi. Neither is any one in my family a Ahmadi but I do not like the idea that a minority be discriminated against. Do you or I enjoy being discriminated against in UK or Trumps America? So no reason to be happy even if I understand the reasons for compromise.

 

[Bratva]

Pak's loss. Pak's loss for thinking they can have anyone of Atif Mian's stature advising them on economic matters. There is no Pakistani that comes even close to who he is. Atif Mian is already more accomplished and successful than any of these brain-dead characters that were against him. Same useless people will grovel for loans from the zionist IMF and atheist China. Atif Mian, a muslim subject to hatred and discrimination, was the only one capable of pulling Pak out of the economic morass it finds itself in today, ironically due to the same khatim e nabuwwat harping zealots who continuously harp on endlessly about useless matters and can't get out of their own way.



They'll be the same idiots crying when ahmedis badmouth Pak. Despite what Pak has done to them, it's amazing that they've stayed loyal and committed to Pak and its interests.



What exactly does that mean? Who are his well wishers? And why should they be listened to? This puts into question IK's and Asad Umar's commitment of putting Pakistan and its economy first. He cowered under pressure from mentally-stunted people. There should be no felicitations on order.

So this user, who himself a qadiyani, is calling Atif mia a muslim. Interesting. So if you are not gonna consider yourself a minority and non muslims and insist on terming yourself a muslim. How do you think we can protect you from masses ?

 

[war&peace]

That i can agree with. Phat jaye gi maulana saab ki logon kay saamne. And a hard lesson for bigoted and dumb Pakistanis who support the anti-Atif Mian campaign.


Dual. Was at least. But now with the hate campaign against him and his community, wouldn't surprise me if he gives up his nationality. I would. If people don't want to be helped AND they oppress your community, anyone would.

Dual nationals should be allowed positions in govt.

 

[pzfz]

Yes, but the long term declared policy should be to be rid of interest based system.

As I asked before, what expertise does Atif have in developing/advising on interest free system?

It won't take 100 years. Bring the looted money back ($200b++) and the country will become foreign debt free ($90b IMF loans?) and get the economy going to not borrow again. Then reform the local banking system.

What expertise does Asad Umar or Imran Khan have in it? Atif has expertise in developing an economy. The political and religious aspect you can take care of since he's not allowed to delve into religious matters right?

You also need help in basic economics. There is no $200b out there to be brought back, and even if there was it still doesn't set you on an interest-free path. Besides that supposed pot of gold abroad is also the result of an interest-laden system; you sure you should want it?

 

[T-Rex]

You don't get it, do you?
Ahmadis don't get killed for eating beef only because it doesn't hurt the sentiments of the majority. The Ahmadis are a minority, and face persecution from the majority, just as the Muslim minority faces persecution from the Hindu majority in India. It's practically analogous.

And is INDIA to be our standard?

You don't get it, do you? In Pakistan Ahmedis are allowed to live while in india the Muslim minority doesn't even have the right to live.

 

[Musafir117]

That i can agree with. Phat jaye gi maulana saab ki logon kay saamne. And a hard lesson for bigoted and dumb Pakistanis who support the anti-Atif Mian campaign.


Dual. Was at least. But now with the hate campaign against him and his community, wouldn't surprise me if he gives up his nationality. I would. If people don't want to be helped AND they oppress your community, anyone would.

Mark my words he will never give up his Pakistani national, my self didn’t take Japanese national coz they don’t have dual nationality system and I stayed on it Pakistani national and face lof of problems to visit around in green passport for business, now I am thinking to take Australian Nationalty next year ( InshaAllah ) to keep both.

 

[El Sidd]

Dual nationals should be allowed positions in govt.

No

 

[pzfz]

So this user, who himself a qadiyani, is calling Atif mia a muslim. Interesting. So if you are not gonna consider yourself a minority and non muslims and insist on terming yourself a muslim. How do you think we can protect you from masses ?

By better educating the masses that what one believes is none of their business? How can any Pakistani say that and then, with a straight face, call for justice in occupied Kashmir and Palestine? Because after all, the minority should accept what the majority tells them to believe and stop insisting on their personal right of self-determination.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

PTI doesn't have any bigoted or right-wing allies. The opposition isn't in a position to derail anything that PTI wants to do. Besides, PTI could've used this opportunity to show themselves as the progressives they claim to be (scandinavian system, etc) and shown the PPPP for what it truly is. It would also have gotten rid of the notion that noon league is the anti-establishment party since they would've supported any pro-status quo measure. Could've killed two birds with one stone. It would've also got international praise and raised the profile of Pakistan in dealing with international financial institutions.

Not only was this decision an economic and moral failure, but also a political one. Giving into "pressure" from a character with a grand total of 0 national seats is cowardice and just plain stupidity.

"Pressure" because the pressure was imagined.

No man. You will be surprised how shit can become popular in Pakistan. Some mullah could have declared a fatwa and got millions to come on the streets. The opposition like PML-N and even PPP would not stand by the government and end up either causing trouble by staying silent secretly egging on the rabble. Last thing the goverment needs right now given the precarious economic situation.