Governor of Jakarta a Chinese Indonesian

[Chinese-Dragon]

Just leave Place of Space alone, since he is just a clueless newbie, and I won't even bother with him.



Well, our govt did absolutely the right thing to crack down those thugs in 1989, otherwise just look what happens today in the Arab Spring and the Ukrainian Maidan.

BTW, those so-called Indonesian "Chinese" are none of our business, just do whatever you like, they are not our concern.

Stop attacking PRC just because of those Indonesian "Chinese", they have nothing to do with us.

Is @Place Of Space another KMT supporter like Lux de Veritas?

I notice these KMT supporters tend to prefer "foreigners" who share their ethnic group, rather than Chinese citizens from our 56 ethnic groups.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Is @Place Of Space another KMT supporter like Lux de Veritas?

I notice these KMT supporters tend to prefer "foreigners" who share their ethnic group, rather than Chinese citizens from our 56 ethnic groups.

KMT only prefers to bash CPC with any given opportunity.

But in the reality, they don't give a sh1t about the rest.

Those Indonesian Chinese had suffered tremendous casualty thanked for listening the advice from KMT.

I have already debunked the myth about 'CPC's cowardice of not doing anything to rescue the Indonesian Chinese', and Lux just went into the berserker mode after I had debunked the KMT propaganda.

CPC's reaction about the 1998 anti-Chinese massacre

 

[powastick]

No, they wouldn't have to worry. In fact even back in WW2, there were Chinese (Taiwanese) living in Japan, going to universities , many even served honorably in the Imperial Army and Navy.

I would expect the same now. Besides the fact that the Japanese Chinese relinquished their Chinese nationality says something.

Japanese was brutal with the Chinese in Malaya. In Japan, it is easier to blend in. My grandpa was doing his routine stuff until beaten up by an officer despite having no affiliation with the Communist insurgency. Just the officer releasing his anger on us. Human will be humans. You don't see it. Anger can be irrational. I highly doubt there will be no incidents in Japan.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Japanese was brutal with the Chinese in Malaya. In Japan, it is easier to blend in. My grandpa was doing his routine stuff until beaten up by an officer despite having no affiliation with the Communist insurgency. Just the officer releasing his anger on us. Human will be humans. You don't see it. Anger can be irrational. I highly doubt there will be no incidents in Japan.

CPC got the support not by feeding its people with the empty ideology, but actually feeding with bread/butter and all the tangible benefits.

CPC has proven themselves that their ideology does work and they are the chosen party.

The oversea Chinese can share the pride with China by supporting CPC, or just keep burying their head into the sand, but don't expect that CPC will come to their rescue when they got bullied by the foreigners.

 

[powastick]

CPC got the support not by feeding its people with the empty ideology, but actually feeding with bread/butter and all the tangible benefits.

CPC has proven themselves that their ideology does work and they are the chosen party.

The oversea Chinese can share the pride with China by supporting CPC, or just burying their head into the sand, but don't expect that CPC will come to their rescue when they got bullied by the foreigners.

Yes its just not possible. But I won't stand still to be chopped down.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes its just not possible. But I won't stand still to be chopped down.

Just don't stand with the anti-China groups, that's all we need to do.

 

[Nusantara]

It's up to Indonesian-Chinese's own decision. Can you understand? If they find the Indonesian language is interesting and useful, they will choose to learn it. If the Indonesian govt treat them well, they would be loyal to the govt. Why must be one language? They can learn both Chinese and Bahasa, why not?



You live in America, right? American citizenship, right? Can you speak Japanese? Would American govt force you to learn English only?

yes, we (I am Indonesian Chinese) found bahasa indonesia is useful, because that is the language that everybody in indonesia can understand
why must be one language? because indonesia consisting hundreds of ethnics and languages, so how we communicate with each other? of course using one language as unifying language
who said chinese can't speak their language? they can, but not Mandarin, they speak mostly southern dialect

those FPI are bunch of thugs, even many indonesian muslim hate them, don't worry, ahok got a lot muslim supporter
Muslims declare support for Ahok | The Jakarta Post

 

[Place Of Space]

yes, we (I am Indonesian Chinese) found bahasa indonesia is useful, because that is the language that everybody in indonesia can understand
why must be one language? because indonesia consisting hundreds of ethnics and languages, so how we communicate with each other? of course using one language as unifying language
who said chinese can't speak their language? they can, but not Mandarin, they speak mostly southern dialect

those FPI are bunch of thugs, even many indonesian muslim hate them, don't worry, ahok got a lot muslim supporter
Muslims declare support for Ahok | The Jakarta Post

Thank you let me know your views. I told to an Indonesian guy days ago, when Indonesian Chinese forgive and respect Indonesia, I have no reasons not to respect Indonesia.

Just leave Place of Space alone, since he is just a clueless newbie, and I won't even bother with him.



Well, our govt did absolutely the right thing to crack down those thugs in 1989, otherwise just look what happens today in the Arab Spring and the Ukrainian Maidan.

BTW, those so-called Indonesian "Chinese" are none of our business, just do whatever you like, they are not our concern.

Stop attacking PRC just because of those Indonesian "Chinese", they have nothing to do with us.

I didn't say our govt do wrong things, but the method was over. They used policemen at that time, the result could be better more or less.

You are too sensitive, I didn't attack PRC. My head is not stone or dry wood, I like 2015 Chinese govt doesn't mean I have to like 1989 Chinese govt; I support President Xi and Premier Li doesn't mean I have to support former president and pm. Got it?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You are too sensitive, I didn't attack PRC. My head is not stone or dry wood, I like 2015 Chinese govt doesn't mean I have to like 1989 Chinese govt; I support President Xi and Premier Li doesn't mean I have to support former president and pm. Got it?

The method wasn't really nice, but the intention was good.

Those innocent students were naive, and they got manipulated by the anti-China evil force, and if they managed to succeed, then a billion Chinese would suffer in result.

 

[Place Of Space]

Is @Place Of Space another KMT supporter like Lux de Veritas?

I notice these KMT supporters tend to prefer "foreigners" who share their ethnic group, rather than Chinese citizens from our 56 ethnic groups.

It's not important I support KMT or not, and I am not its fan. There are also KMT members in mainland, didn't you know? KMT is not a competitor to communist party, KMT is too weak. But you should know a lot of things are more important than politics.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I didn't say our govt do wrong things, but the method was over. They used policemen at that time, the result could be better more or less.

You are too sensitive, I didn't attack PRC. My head is not stone or dry wood, I like 2015 Chinese govt doesn't mean I have to like 1989 Chinese govt; I support President Xi and Premier Li doesn't mean I have to support former president and pm. Got it?

Chinese citizens from our 56 ethnic groups are expected to be loyal to the "Chinese nation" above all else, not to foreigners who share their ethnicity.

Look at the Uyghur separatists/extremists, they would rather be loyal to foreigners from their own ethnic group "Turkics", instead of the Chinese nation.

That is unacceptable, and they are rightfully hunted down by the police.

 

[Place Of Space]

Chinese citizens from our 56 ethnic groups are expected to be loyal to the "Chinese nation" above all else, not to foreigners who share their ethnicity.

Look at the Uyghur separatists/extremists, they would rather be loyal to foreigners from their own ethnic group "Turkics", instead of the Chinese nation.

That is unacceptable, and they are rightfully hunted down by the police.

What are you talking about? About this subject, you can't convince me. I am sorry, pause here.

 

[Brainsucker]

Thank you let me know your views. I told to an Indonesian guy days ago, when Indonesian Chinese forgive and respect Indonesia, I have no reasons not to respect Indonesia.

The relation between Indonesian Chinese and the other Indonesian Ethnics are good right now. We even have the Chinese New Year celebration here. You should come when the Chinese New Year come. Both Indonesian Chinese and the other Indonesian Ethnics celebrate together. Even some Javanese Babies wear Cheungsam (I know that because I own a Baby Shop, and sell some baby size Cheung sam to some Javanese Costumers). The problem like in 1998 was a political turmoil. I suspect some political Entities incite the masses to do bad things. Including rob, burn, rape, etc. But usually it's preman (gangsters) and those Political Entities goons who did it. Because there were a lot of gangsters / preman in our cities, well... that's chaos happened.

Even in the heat in 1998, many Indonesian Chinese got help by the other Ethnics too. Some were even hide in the other Ethnics house. My family even went to ronda in our kampung (to guard / patrol our settlements) with my Javanese Neighbors.

So, in 1998 was not because of the race hatred, but stir by some political entities and did by gangsters and their goons to make chaos. But I don't know which Political Entities who did that. Some are point finger to a person, an ex general. But I don't know. I don't want to accuse somebody without any proof.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

What are you talking about? About this subject, you can't convince me. I am sorry, pause here.

Loyalty should be towards the "Chinese nation".

Not towards your own ethnic group.

That is how the Uyghur separatists/extremists behave. They only support their own ethnic group, not the Chinese nation.

So even foreign nationals are more important to them as long as they are the same ethnic group.

 

[Aepsilons]

Japanese was brutal with the Chinese in Malaya. In Japan, it is easier to blend in. My grandpa was doing his routine stuff until beaten up by an officer despite having no affiliation with the Communist insurgency. Just the officer releasing his anger on us. Human will be humans. You don't see it. Anger can be irrational. I highly doubt there will be no incidents in Japan.

A lot of unfortunate actions were done by Japanese soldiers in Asia. They were too brutal , sorry to hear that your grandfather was maltreated like that, as with many Chinese population in Southeast Asia during the war. I agree with you that anger can be irrational, hate drives the worst in humans, and that was seen during the war. In case of war, I hope that that no such kind of maltreatment would happen -- rule of law must trump , in the end, buddy.

Loyalty should be towards the "Chinese nation".

Not towards your own ethnic group.

That is how the Uyghur separatists/extremists behave. They only support their own ethnic group, not the Chinese nation.

Agreed @Chinese-Dragon ! Loyalty must be to the nation whom one is a citizen of.