Governor of Jakarta a Chinese Indonesian

[Beast]

Dont play around with words please. We can have non stop of this.

Let me use your style.

In fact, PRC in HK is colloquailly call Ah Can 阿灿. PRC call HK people Kongcan-ese 港灿. How can you be "Chinese".

In fact, the word "Chinese" is derogatory in many places, like Japan 支那. Chinese hate to be call Chinese.

In SE Asia, we call ourselves 唐人 Tenglang-ese, not Chinese. And some people in Indonesia want to get rid of "Cina" (Chinese) label and ask the native to call us Tionghua 中华. How can we be "Chinese"？

Today Taiwanese want to fight against PRC. Base on your logic, they are certainly not Chinese.

HK people also hate PRC and fighting to hurt PRC, how can they be Chinese?

So many people like ChineseTiger say Lux is Malay thinking Malay is low class. Yes Lux is Malay. I think Malay is high class, because I am the most non racist person in PDF. Malay is good people.

I like Malay.

Malay are lazy people. I dont know why you like them? They like to idle around, steal and non progressing.

Mahathir Calls Malays Lazy, Receives Mixed Reactions from Netizens

A former Malaysian PM more or less carry some weight in his view on his own race. There is even one funny incident which he start a bakery business. He employ, Malay, Indian, Chinese and even Myanmarnese. Of all races, only the malay will steal his bakery items and money while all other races just working hard and earn a decent living.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Malay are lazy people. I dont know why you like them? They like to idle around, steal and non progressing.

Mahathir Calls Malays Lazy, Receives Mixed Reactions from Netizens

A former Malaysian PM more or less carry some weight in his view on his own race. There is even one funny incident which he start a bakery business. He employ, Malay, Indian, Chinese and even Myanmarnese. Of all races, only the malay will steal his bakery items and money while all other races just working hard and earn a decent living.

Malay are poisoned by Islamofascism, which is the only thing I do not like.

The Malay archipelago is among the most fertile land in the whole world. Malay can just plant anything, papaya, potato, tomato and they just grow like weeds. So they are relax.

Then came a bunch of hungry Chinese from slump who work hard. We must first thank you Malay for their hospitality in taking us in.

One must not be so ungrateful to scold the host of lazy.

The Australian are relax also. So when we migrate there, we dont scold them lazy but we must feel thankful.

 

[Beast]

Malay are poisoned by Islamofascism, which is the only thing I do not like.

The Malay archipelago is among the most fertile land in the whole world. Malay can just plant anything, papaya, potato, tomato and they just grow like weeds. So they are relax.

Then came a bunch of hungry Chinese from slump who work hard. We must first thank you Malay for their hospitality in taking us in.

One must not be so ungrateful to scold the host of lazy.

The Australian are relax also. So when we migrate there, we dont scold them lazy but we must feel thankful.

The Malay needs to thank the overseas Chinese who modernise their countries and not the other way round.

Just like the white man of South Africa. Look at the surrounding africa countries. WHich one is more modernise than SOuth Africa? The sad thing is when the white hand over the power to Black. South Africa starts to decline and not progressing.

This is the same situation in Malaysian or Singapore if Malay takes over.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

The Malay needs to thank the overseas Chinese who modernise their countries and not the other way round.

Just like the white man of South Africa. Look at the surrounding africa countries. WHich one is more modernise than SOuth Africa? The sad thing is when the white hand over the power to Black. South Africa starts to decline and not progressing.

This is the same situation in Malaysian or Singapore if Malay takes over.

That is right.

I understand the Malay. The mentioned that if they allow Chinese to take over, where they should go? They have nowhere to go.

Their racism is out of insecurity/inferiority and not of nazi style or Indian caste system style.

Personally I feel for them....

 

[Beast]

That is right.

I understand the Malay. The mentioned that if they allow Chinese to take over, where they should go? They have nowhere to go.

Their racism is out of insecurity/inferiority and not of nazi style or Indian caste system style.

Personally I feel for them....

That is still not an excuse for being lazy and non productive. Their lay back culture is a lot to be desire.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

That is still not an exo cuse for being lazy and non productive. Their lay back culture is a lot to be desire.

I worked in Australia and I enjoy their way of life absolutely. I want to be lazy as well. I have full of wealth and land there and I do not need to work hard.

I understand your feeling as you and I are Chinese.

I understand Malays' feeling.

Yes no excuse to be lazy. But Malay are relax for 3000 years. Then come the Chinese who work and study hard since God created the world.

The 2 sides need to understand one another.

FYI working with Malay boss is more desirable than Chinese. They normally do not poison you with politics.

 

[Beast]

I worked in Australia and I enjoy their way of life absolutely. I want to be lazy as well. I have full of wealth and land there and I do not need to work hard.

I understand your feeling as you and I are Chinese.

I understand Malays' feeling.

Yes no excuse to be lazy. But we are like this for 3000 years. Then come the Chinese who work and study hard since God created the world.

The 2 sides need to understand one another.

FYI working with Malay boss is more desirable than Chinese. They normally do not poison you with politics.

You start to be lazy becos you have work up half your life and earn your right with your hard earn wealth. That is ok.

But for the Malay, they think the world owes them and they haven even earn their right and they already thinking of stealing others people right for their own pleasures when young.

 

[Jlaw]

One nation is possible. One Motherland and One language are impossible. Chinese will forever speak Chinese, especially they are Han. And I advise Indonesian govt to recover their family name. Those Indonesian family name is weird for a Chinese.



wot are y taking about?

Are you retarded?

Some say from Taiwanese Aborigin as well, but many of us are mix by the way, particularly who living in the city. Some of Indonesian has Arab/ Indian/ Pakistan DNA as well.

Look this Minang bride (my tribe)

Chinese bride
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Do you find any similarity there.....

BTW we are all Asian.........



Palembang, Bangka, Dayak, and even Betawi is also mix Chinese, etc....They never call themselves as Chinese, trust me

Just ask Brainsucker, he is Chinese ethnic...............He know the situation better

I actually see a big difference.

 

[rott]

My ancestors are also Hakka. (Another Chinese member @rott is Hakka too).

But my family has been in Hong Kong for hundreds of years, so my mother tongue is now Cantonese, though my favorite dialect is definitely Standard Mandarin. (I just love the sound of it.)

That Brainsucker I for one thought he was Indonesian native. He seemed pretty anti Chinese in his post.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Not just Vietnamese. I am angry when people are evil.

A few days ago, PRC here brag how save SE Asia by 1979 war. I pointed out they screw SE Asia starting from Diem Biem Phu.

I expose them.

The thread is now gone when PDF PRC cannot argue further.

Lucky PDF bail you out, or I will expose even more CPC.

Yep, just keep "exposing" CPC by digging up those articles from the Falungong websites.

No wonder you are making yourself a laughing stock sometimes.

I seldom go on insulting people, nowadays but presenting facts.

I make people mad.

There are many who always insult but fortunately PDF is moderated in favor of certain states and ideology especially your state.

If people cannot argue with me using facts, when PDF is so moderated, then it is their own problem.

There is so many PRC here who keep trolling on HOW THEY MAKE VIETNAMESE girls sex slaves. I get ANGRY with such people.

lol, most of us are not really interested about the Viet girls, and we just hope that they can stop flooding our country.

 

[Brainsucker]

That Brainsucker I for one thought he was Indonesian native. He seemed pretty anti Chinese in his post.

I'm not anti China. In contrary, I help China with my posts. Because I know that China doesn't need to boast his own power / ego in front of everybody, just like a rich kid who boast his shiny toys in front of his poor friends. That behavior will not help China at all, as it will harm China's interest in the international eyes (at least in here). Unless you want to portray China as a villain in the eyes of international posters, you should understand what I wrote in my posts. If you think that it is anti China, yes, it is anti stupid Chinese Posters who harm his own country / origin. Remember Zhu Yuan Zhang, the first Ming Emperor. He said that the real winning is to conquer the people heart, not only to conquer their land or kill them mindlessly. Translating it to modern world, China need to be a leader and a friend, not a bully, or a Nazi / Japanese type of conqueror.

 

[Indos]

I actually see a big difference.

I dont mind, well Malays are the blessed people, thats why we embrace Islam. Some of us has blood of the prophet. Particularly in Aceh where the tomb were found before there was an ancient kingdom, long long time ago, and I believe it includes some people from West Sumatran region (Minang/ my tribe), Mandailing of Bataknese, etc. No wonder my Tribe can be the first modern King in Malaysia ( Negeri Sambilan state of Malaysia is under Minang tribe realm ( originated from West Sumatra) which later become the first Yang Dipertuan Agong of Malaysian kingdom) and also the first head of state of Singapore (Yusof bin Ishak). In Islamic perspective, one of us has become Imam in Masjidil Haram, during Ottoman Empire.
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Shaikh Ahmad Khatib al-Minangkabawi (1860 – 1916) was a Minangkabau Indonesian Islamic teacher. He was born in Koto Tuo, Ampek Angkek, Agam Regency, West Sumatra on 6 Dzulhijjah 1276 H (1860 M) and died in Mecca on 8 Jumadil Awal 1334 H (1916 M).[1] He served as the head (imam) of the Shafi'i school of law at the mosque of Mecca (Masjid al-Haram). Many Indonesian Islamic reformist leaders learned from him, including Ahmad Dahlan, as founder Muhammadiyah and Hasyim Asyari, as founderNahdlatul Ulama.[2]

Although Ahmad Khatib was an orthodox Sunni Muslim, he still hoped to reconcile the matrilineal system in Minangkabau with the laws of inheritance prescribed in the Quran. Through his Minangkabau students who studied in Mecca and well as those he taught in Indonesia, he encouraged a modified Minangkabau culture based on al-Quran and the Sunnah.

His son, Sheikh Abdulhameed Alkhateeb, was the first Saudi Arabian ambassador to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. And his grand son, Fouad Abdulhameed Alkhateeb, was a Saudi Arabian ambassador, humanitarian, author, and businessman. In his capacity as a diplomat, he represented his homeland in Pakistan, Iraq, the United States of America, the Federal Republic of Nigeria, the Republic of Turkey, the People's Republic of Bangladesh, Nepal, and finally as Saudi ambassador to Malaysia.

Ahmad Khatib - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Recent coming from Hadramaut Yaman that comes to Java should also be counted. Abraham roots is a special one regarding the blood. But of course as a Muslim we consider the best people from their faith, contributions, and behavior just like the way our God rates humans. I just want to play nice here, and now I reveal what is in my real mind.

 

[Brainsucker]

Yes, There is other Indonesian Ethnic help Chinese People in Black May 1998.

Like Story of My Friend, His Friend helped by Other Indonesian Ethnic. So, She can Survive in Black May 1998. In this Case from Ethnic 'Batak' from North Sumatra.

But, Many have hatred to Chinese People, too.
But, thats 'Cause we are Human. And There is always Hatred in Human Heart.


The Real Problem is.
There is still People, Who say There is Nothing Happen to Chinese People in Black May 1998.
That's Ridiculous !

I have Friend, From North Jakarta (Tanjung Priok), He speak Cantonese Dialect. Last time I Hear, He living in Shenzhen, Guangdong Right know.

He and his Family must Run from the Roof of his House, When Black May 1998.
There is many people say, "Kill Chinese Dogs, Kill Them all"
And Burn their House.

So, Is He Just Dreaming in that Time!? Lol


Just info,
You can Be A Nationalist Without become Chauvinistic !

So, what do you want Daniel, to satisfy your hatred?

 

[Daniel808]

So, what do you want Daniel, to satisfy your hatred?

You Wrong, Sucker.
Not my Hatred, But Their Hatred.

 

[katarabhumi]

You Wrong, Sucker.
Not my Hatred, But Their Hatred.

What hatred?... it's 2015 now, stop dwelling in 1998. You think you the only one hurt by violence in that chaotic post Suharto time?

Guess what... In Ambon, Poso, Sampit, they shouted "Bantai Bugis, bantai Jawa, Bantai Madura, Kill all those Islam d*gs" and any other kind of foul words imaginable. And they didn't just shout, they did what they were shouting.

I actually don't like it at all to talk anything related to Indonesian ethnic violence like this because it opens old wound... my wound in particular.

I grew up in Maluku, I was there when ethnic violence erupted.

My father's sister and her family were nearly slaughtered when christian mob suddenly started killing Muslims in their neighborhood. They were lucky to escape alive in time while their poor neighbor didn't make it. But the house that my aunt and her husband had built with sweat and tears for years were burnt and razed to the ground. They didn't even know why they were attacked.

I have several classmates who found their world suddenly shattered into pieces when news of their parents and siblings death at the hands of christian mob reached their ears. I remember that day at school.

There are other stories, more unpleasant stories, I lost families and friends in the tragedy. I've seen death with my own eyes. But let me just tell you, you're not the only one ever faced such terror, mine is worse.

I never forget the tragedy, but keeping the memory alive and burning does no good to me. I don't keep my hatred toward those people who did bad to my family and friends.

I choose to move on. We all should learn from the horror of the past to prevent it from happening again.

That is why it is very important for Indonesian today to put national identity above their ethnic or blood, because if we still confine ourselves in our ethnic box the same tragedy will likely happen again in the future.