Government wants to Arrest Pakistan Army Personnels

[Omar1984]

Govt plans to arrest Brig Ejaz

Monday, April 26, 2010

By Shakeel Anjum

ISLAMABAD: In a move apparently to divert attention from those from the PPP whose names have been mentioned in the UN Commission report on the assassination of Ms Benazir Bhutto, the government has decided to arrest the people who were nominated by Ms Bhutto herself as the ‘would be culprits’ if she was assassinated.

Sources told The News the government had decided to arrest some ‘key suspects’ nominated by Ms Bhutto in a letter after the Oct 18, 2008, twin-suicide attack on her soon after her arrival in Karachi after a prolonged self-imposed exile.

Former Intelligence Bureau (IB) chief, Brig (retd) Ejaz Shah, could be the first one to be arrested for questioning by the government. The former IB chief was not only nominated as the ‘would be suspect’ if she was assassinated, which eventually she was in the second shooting/suicide attack on her on December 27, 2008, but was also mentioned in the UN commission report.

It is widely believed that Ejaz Shah was a close aide of former president Pervez Musharraf, and executed his orders without any fear. The sources told ‘The News’ that now the government was awaiting the findings/recommendations of the inquiry committee, appointed to probe the fatal December 27, 2008 atatck.

The focus of this three-member committee is to find out and nominate as to who ordered washing of the crime scene, and who carried out the deed so quickly after the unfortunate incident, which according to investigators, including the members of the UN Commission, destroyed some vital evidence that could have helped determine the cause of the death and reach the culprits behind the gruesome attack.

The sources told ‘The News’ that the government was also considering ‘questioning’ the former ISI chief Gen (retd) Hameed Gul but would step short of arresting him. “He (Gen Hameed Gul) would be given every opportunity to prove his innocence before any final decision is taken to arrest him or not,” the sources told The News.

The sources also indicated that if the awaited report indicated the involvement of former President Gen Pervez Musharraf, the former CM of Sindh Arbab Ghulam Rahim, and the former chief minister of the Punjab, Chaudhry Pervez Elahi, the government will not hesitate in arresting all of them, including Musharraf through Interpol.

Some prominent legal and constitutional experts said the former president, if nominated by the three-member investigation committee, could be arrested and put on trial, and he would not be protected by any immunity that he had enjoyed as the former president of the country.

“The same would be applied to the former chief ministers of Sindh and the Punjab, and they could be arrested and put on trial,” they said. Sources said the government had made up its mind to protect the PPP people mentioned in the UN report, and the report by the three-member body would be used to divert attention from some key members of the government, including the Interior Minister Rehman Malik, Federal Law Minister Babar Awan as well as the personal bodyguard of Ms Bhutto, Khalid Shahanshah, who was appointed by her spouse, now President Asif Ali Zardari, and was later assassinated in Karachi.

The sources said that a media campaign has already been launched by the government to protect these individuals and specific tasks have been given to the concerned ministry and quarters for the execution of the ‘counter strategy’ to release the pressure developed by the media after the UN Commission report was made public.


Govt plans to arrest Brig Ejaz

 

[Omar1984]

PML-N also sniffs Army intervention

Monday, April 26, 2010

By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: After the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), now apprehensions are also being expressed by the PML-N about some alleged conspiracy being hatched by certain elements belonging to the Army and intelligence agencies.

Though it is whispered and not publicly said in so many words, in their off-the-record discussions with media persons, some PML-N leaders express their fears that the third force is preparing the ground to do something extra-constitutional.

Ahsan Iqbal is on the record as having said on Saturday that a third force wants a clash between the judiciary and parliament. He did not name the third force precisely in the same fashion as has been done repeatedly by President Asif Ali Zardari during the recent months.

According to a PML-N leader, the Army is trying to pitch the judiciary against parliament and for this purpose it is using certain elements in the media. The N-leader, however, did not have anything concrete to support his argument.

After the recent bloody riots in Abbottabad and Hazara, another PML-N leader told this correspondent strictly off-the-record he believed that some intelligence agencies had played tricks to trigger violence in the area.

When asked if he says this on the basis of some solid information or it was just based on his analysis or calculation, he said it was his educated guess. However, in the same breath, he contradicted himself by saying that the PML-N Hazara leadership had told him that the Hazara-based PML-Q leadership and the champions of the Hazara province, who led the recent movement there, were given a shut up call by the military. He said that the violent riots ended after the likes of Haider Zaman, Gohar Ayub and others were asked to stay peaceful.

Retired Lieutenant General and former ISI chief Hameed Gul was asked on Saturday by Dr Shahid Masood in his programme, Meray Mutabiq, if he sees the possibility of the Pakistan Army getting into politics at a time when there are fears of a clash between the two main pillars of the state.

Gul said that the military had learnt lessons from its past mistakes. He added that the military had no interest in getting into politics or pushing institutions into a clash with each other. The Pakistan Army and the ISI were already put on the defensive after being repeatedly but subtly blamed of conspiring against democracy by no less than the president. At that time, there were not many even among the politicians to believe this but now such apprehensions have started being raised by the Leaguers.

If there is any truth in such apprehensions, then it is vital to understand the fact that parliament has done its work by producing the 18th Amendment and now it is the judiciary’s turn to do a judicial review of some of the 101 amendments, which have been challenged in the apex court.

The Army or intelligence agencies have no business to get worried or do anything on issues which clearly fall in the domain of either parliament or the judiciary. Out of the 101 constitutional amendments, only a few have been challenged, meaning thereby that generally and mostly parliament has done good work. In other cases, now it is for the apex court to do its work and decide the cases on merit and in line with the Constitution and law.

With the exception of a few controversial amendments, parliament has done well. The judiciary is doing extraordinarily and enjoys the complete support of the masses. It is supposed to continue adjudging the cases placed before it in line with law and the Constitution without any fear or favour.

It should not be bothered about the negative propaganda unleashed by anyone against the judiciary or those threatening it that it should keep its hands off the constitutional amendments, already challenged, to avoid a possible confrontation.

An evolution of institutions in this evolutionary process is going on and the military should remain focused on its soldiering matters and must stay away from politics, say analysts.

PML-N also sniffs Army intervention

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Its official. PPP and PML-N have united to destroy Pakistan.

 

[Omar1984]

Maj-Gen Nadeem Ejaz: in the dock for many crimes


Monday, April 26, 2010

By Hamid Mir

ISLAMABAD: For the first time in the history of Pakistan, political leaders from the Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa have united against a serving Army officer. They want the government to start investigations against the said Army officer not only on one count but also on many others.

The dubious role of former DG Military Intelligence Major General Nadeem Ejaz was an important unifying factor behind a large consensus between the PPP, the PML-N, the PML-Q and other parties on the 18th Amendment. Nadeem Ejaz was responsible of victimising not only the PPP and the PML-N but also abused his unlimited and unchecked powers against some important leaders of the PML-Q as the DG MI. At one stage in April 2008, he wanted Musharraf to replace General Kayani because Kayani was not ready to involve the Army in safeguarding the political interests of Musharraf but this effort failed.

The former DG MI is accused of kidnapping many political activists not only in Balochistan but also in the Punjab. Nadeem Ejaz once kidnapped not only the security guards of Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain but also picked up the brother of a sitting MPA of the PML-Q for settling his personal scores with the then chief minister of the Punjab. Background interactions with leaders of these political parties revealed that notorious Nadeem Ejaz had become a monster in the last days of the Musharraf regime and even after the retirement of Musharraf as Army chief, Nadeem Ejaz was directly reporting to him bypassing new Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani.

A UN Commission has recently claimed that after the assassination of Benazir Bhutto on December 27, 2007, the crime scene was hosed down actually on the orders of the then DG MI Major General Nadeem Ejaz. The government has constituted a three-member committee to pinpoint the responsibility for hosing down the crime scene on December 27, 2007. Political circles in Islamabad are of the view that the role of Nadeem Ejaz was not limited just in the hosing down the crime scene on December 27. He should be investigated thoroughly because he was directly or indirectly related to many other important events like the assassination of Akbar Bugti in August 2006 and massacre in Karachi on May 12, 2007.

Very few people know that Nadeem Ejaz started his political role in December 1999 when he was a colonel posted in Lahore. He forced many Nawaz Sharif loyalists to leave the PML-N. He blackmailed many PPP leaders to extend their support to the Musharraf regime. A businessman associated with the PPP, Mian Arshad, was grilled and tortured to give information about the secret accounts of Jahangir Badar. Nadeem Ejaz called Mian Arshad many times and asked him to cooperate. When there was no positive result, Main Arshad was arrested and tortured. Late Benazir Bhutto tried her level best to rescue Mian Arshad by writing letters to human rights organisations but Mian Arshad lost his life due to torture in the custody of Army officials.

Nadeem Ejaz personally met PML-N leader Khawaja Saad Rafique in December 1999 and told him to leave Nawaz Sharif. After exchanging hot words with Saad, he contacted his brother Salman Rafique and gave him a warning. When Rafique brothers refused to oblige him, he arrested Saad Rafique along with Javaid Hashmi, Khawaja Hasaan and Aftab Asghar Dar through the Lahore police and ordered that they be tortured. Saad Rafique still remembers that police officials in Model Town police station, Lahore, told him that they were beating him on the orders of Nadeem Ejaz.

One day, Nadeem Ejaz summoned PML-N leader Tehmina Daultana and her late husband Zahid Wahla in camp jail, Lahore, and asked them to stop supporting Begum Kulsoom Nawaz. This meeting was taking place in the office of jail chief. When Javaid Hashmi came back to jail after appearing in an accountability court, he heard Nadeem Ejaz shouting at Tehmina Daultana. Javaid Hashmi was told that this meeting was going on for many hours. He crashed the door of the jail chief’s office and tried to grab Nadeem Ejaz by his neck. According to Javaid Hashmi, “The brave Nadeem Ejaz locked himself in the bathroom of the jail chief and the same night I was blindfolded, my hands were cuffed behind my back and I faced torture for the whole night.”

Another victim of Nadeem Ejaz was Senator Pervez Rashid. This soft-spoken politician was tortured at Sarwar Road police station. Pervez Rashid told this correspondent, “I have no doubt that Nadeem Ejaz was the person behind the worst ever torture I faced in my political life.”

According to police sources, one day Nadeem Ejaz recorded the cries of Pervez Rashid during torture on a small tape recorder and gave lot of money to an Army Subedar as reward who had tortured the senator. Pervez Rashid is sure that Nadeem Ejaz recorded his screams for Musharraf.

For the next few years, he remained posted in Lahore and was promoted as a brigadier there. He became DG of MI in February 2005. He was given the task to win the local bodies elections for the Musharraf loyalists. During the local bodies election of 2005, he developed differences with CM Punjab Pervaiz Elahi. Nadeem Ejaz was supporting Sardar Aqil Umar in one town of Lahore while Pervaiz Elahi was supporting Sardar Kamil Umar. Ultimately, Kamil Umar won the election and Nadeem Ejaz became an enemy of the CM Punjab. One day, the MI kidnapped the real brother of MPA Ilyas Gujar from Kasur, who was very close to Pervez Elahi. Brother of the MPA was released after five days when CM Punjab directly approached Pervez Musharraf for help. That was not the end. After a few days, the MI kidnapped the security guards of Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain when they were coming back from the Lahore Airport after dropping Salik Hussain and Moonis Elahi. A military vehicle collided with the jeep of Salik Hussain, who was not present inside. Some of the guards were arrested and tortured. CM Punjab called Nadeem Ejaz and requested to release his people but there was no mercy. Nadeem Ejaz refused to release them and said that they were gangsters and CM’s son Moonis Elahi was the leader of these gangsters. Again it was Musharraf who ordered Nadeem Ejaz to release the security guards of Shujaat.

Nadeem Ejaz developed more differences with Shujaat Hussain when PML-Q leaders tried to make peace with late Nawab Akbar Bugti in 2006 through talks. Many PML-Q leaders have told this correspondent that at the first stage, Nadeem Ejaz used them for easing down the tension but when Bugtis vacated some important trenches around Dera Bugti after talks, Nadeem Ejaz started bombing the area and forced Bugti to take refuge on mountains. They held Nadeem Ejaz responsible for the death of Akbar Bugti and said that they were even ready to provide evidence in any court of law against Nadeem Ejaz.

He was the one who advised Musharraf to call Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry to the Army House and demand his resignation. When Justice Iftikhar refused, it was Nadeem Ejaz who pressured him directly. The same evening when Chaudhry Shujaat met Justice Iftikhar and tried to settle down the problem, it was Nadeem Ejaz who sent lifters to the residence of the CJP and moved his official vehicles away from the house. On the morning of March 12, Nadeem Ejaz ordered the Islamabad administration that Justice Iftikhar should not reach the Supreme Court. When the CJP came out of his residence, he was manhandled by officials in plainclothes.

PML-Q leaders are also ready to say that a plan was hatched to park big vehicles to stop the convoy of Justice Iftikhar and then attack the convoy on May 5, 2007 near Kharian on the GT Road. Nadeem Ejaz wanted the Chaudhrys of Punjab to provide some mercenaries to start firing on the vehicle of Aitzaz Ahsan to show their loyalty to Musharraf. Again, the CM Punjab refused to become a part of the plan.

This plan was implemented by Nadeem Ejaz in Karachi on May 12, 2007. According to sources in the MQM, Nadeem Ejaz used the whole provincial administration of Sindh to implement the plan in Karachi and finally MQM was held responsible for the whole mayhem.

Major General Nadeem Ejaz also submitted an affidavit against Justice Iftikhar in the court and claimed that the chief justice wanted Musharraf to dissolve the assemblies and hold elections under him. This affidavit proved to be a lie in the court. After the imposition of emergency on November 3, 2007, Nadeem Ejaz was the one who was directly and indirectly meeting with many judges of the superior courts and convinced many of them to accept Abdul Hameed Dogar as the new chief justice. Some of the “Dogar Judges” are now part of the Supreme Court and they may have a soft corner for Nadeem Ejaz.

Ejaz was also involved in media affairs. He helped in arranging funds and investors in the launching of at least two pro-Musharraf TV channels in 2007. He threatened and blackmailed many journalists through different means and tortured some of them after getting them kidnapped.

Many Baloch leaders alleged that Nadeem Ejaz was responsible for rigging the 2008 elections in many constituencies of Balochistan. They say that he did it directly on the orders of Musharraf and not Kayani. Sources in the military establishment claimed that Kayani fired at least three colonels from the ISI who were trying to help some politicians during the elections 2008 but the MI chief clearly violated his policy. It is important to note that Kayani became Army chief on November 29th, 2007 just a few weeks before the election and it was difficult for him to immediately change the DG MI.

It was also learnt on good authority that Nadeem Ejaz suggested to Musharraf secretly in April 2008 to replace Kayani with someone else. Musharraf discussed this possibility with some of his close aides but could not implement it because DG ISI Nadeem Taj was not ready to help him. The UN Commission has given a clean chit to DG ISI Lt Gen Nadeem Taj and former DG IB Brig (retd) Ejaz Shah. The UN Commission directly interviewed Ejaz Shah in February 2010 and now Ejaz Shah has also joined the FIA investigations but Nadeem Ejaz has not faced any investigation.

The top leadership of PPP, PML-N and PML-Q is in contact with each other on the investigation issue of Nadeem Ejaz. They want the government to, at least, start another probe against former DG MI in connection with his alleged role in the killing of Akbar Bugti. They think that this is the right opportunity for political leadership to prove that Pakistan has changed and now the Army officers are also accountable like politicians.



Maj-Gen Nadeem Ejaz: in the dock for many crimes

 

[VrSoLdIeRs]

i dont think army would intervene if he is arrested on soild base, rather then just assumptions!!!

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Strict action should be taken against this dude. I used "dude" here to tell people that Maj Gen is not something above the "law"
Who appointed him as DG MI. If DG MI had this kind of character than God Bless Pakistan Army.
All the top brass including Brigadiers, Major Generals etc should have a strict scrutiny. Now, please don't give Fatwas that people against Pakistan Army are Munafiqs or they are unpatriotic.
I, for one, as a citizen of Pakistan demand a legal action against Nadeem Ejaz and the people who appointed or recommended him.
Forgot to mention the name of "goddess" Musharaf.

 

[blain2]

Has Maj Gen Nadeem Ijaz been given to speak his mind? Hamid Mir and the likes, living up to the tradition of spicing up and sensationalizing, have put out a list of insinuations, conjecture etc. etc. Some of the stupidest things, that anyone who knows anything about the workings of the MI would discount, include the following:

"One day, Nadeem Ejaz summoned PML-N leader Tehmina Daultana and her late husband Zahid Wahla in camp jail, Lahore, and asked them to stop supporting Begum Kulsoom Nawaz. This meeting was taking place in the office of jail chief. When Javaid Hashmi came back to jail after appearing in an accountability court, he heard Nadeem Ejaz shouting at Tehmina Daultana. Javaid Hashmi was told that this meeting was going on for many hours. He crashed the door of the jail chief’s office and tried to grab Nadeem Ejaz by his neck. According to Javaid Hashmi, “The brave Nadeem Ejaz locked himself in the bathroom of the jail chief and the same night I was blindfolded, my hands were cuffed behind my back and I faced torture for the whole night.”

Oh wow what heroic action by Javed Hashmi. If he had even tried to do this, the DGMI's protection team would have given Javed Hashmi the beating of his life yet the hero of PML-N claims that not only did he grab the DGMI by the neck, but forced him to lock himself up all the while the DGMI's security detachment was sitting smoking charras outside the camp jail. A story which unfortunately would make perfect sense to the jahils of Pakistan (who outnumber the educated and those capable of critical thinking in the ratio of at least a 1000 to 1).

Many Baloch leaders alleged that Nadeem Ejaz was responsible for rigging the 2008 elections in many constituencies of Balochistan. They say that he did it directly on the orders of Musharraf and not Kayani.

Yes how could it be Kayani's order? One dare not say that because he is the serving CoAS. However since Musharraf no longer has their nads in his hands, pin everything under the sun on him and his "right hand man", (the poor fellow never knew that he would be bestowed this honour by all who are looking to scapegoat the hell out of this FUBAR of a situation.)

Since Maj Gen Nadeem Taj has already been superseded, it may make perfect sense for the PPP to ask the Army to make him the fall guy (specially because RM and team have to be given a pass) and take the heat for it all. The fact of the matter is that during all this time, the real intelligence matters resided with the ISI. MI is always focused inwards whereas the ISI runs the politicking.

Now I am not suggesting that NT is absolutely guilt free, however there is more of an internal PPP dynamic involved in BB's assassination than Army backing for her removal. If Army under Musharraf did not want her, they did not need to get her back in Pakistan. The choice was always with the Army.

 

[blain2]

Strict action should be taken against this dude. I used "dude" here to tell people that Maj Gen is not something above the "law"
Who appointed him as DG MI. If DG MI had this kind of character than God Bless Pakistan Army.
All the top brass including Brigadiers, Major Generals etc should have a strict scrutiny. Now, please don't give Fatwas that people against Pakistan Army are Munafiqs or they are unpatriotic.
I, for one, as a citizen of Pakistan demand a legal action against Nadeem Ejaz and the people who appointed or recommended him.
Forgot to mention the name of "goddess" Musharaf.

What character assassination are we going after here?

Have ANY of these charges been proven against this serving Maj Gen of the Pakistan Army in a court of law? Why do you demand action only against Nadeem Taj and not against the PPP officials involved in BB's security detail who have been named in the very same report that has every one in Pakistan jumping gaga? Do I detect a predisposition to anti-Army bias here?

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Has Maj Gen Nadeem Ijaz been given to speak his mind? Hamid Mir and the likes, living up to the tradition of spicing up and sensationalizing, have put out a list of insinuations, conjecture etc. etc. Some of the stupidest things, that anyone who knows anything about the workings of the MI would discount, include the following:



Oh wow what heroic action by Javed Hashmi. If he had even tried to do this, the DGMI's protection team would have given Javed Hashmi the beating of his life yet the hero of PML-N claims that not only did he grab the DGMI by the neck, but forced him to lock himself up all the while the DGMI's security detachment was sitting smoking charras outside the camp jail.



Yes how could it be Kayani's order? One dare not say that because he is the serving CoAS. However since Musharraf no longer has their nads in his hands, pin everything under the sun on him and his "right hand man", (the poor fellow never knew that he would be bestowed this honour by all who are looking to scapegoat the hell out of this FUBAR of a situation.

Since Maj Gen Nadeem Taj has already been superseded, it may make perfect sense for the PPP to ask the Army to make him the fall guy (specially because RM and team have to be given a pass) and take the heat for it all. The fact of the matter is that during all this time, the real intelligence matters resided with the ISI. MI is always focused inwards whereas the ISI runs the politicking.

Now I am not suggesting that NT is absolutely guilt free, however there is more of an internal PPP dynamic involved in BB's assassination than Army backing for her removal. If Army under Musharraf did not want her, they did not need to get her back in Pakistan. The choice was always with the Army.

If he had even tried to do this, the DGMI's protection team would have given Javed Hashmi the beating of his life yet the hero of PML-N claims that not only did he grab the DGMI by the neck, but forced him to lock himself up all the while the DGMI's security detachment was sitting smoking charras outside the camp jail.
So, you mean that the protection of DGMI is more important than the Law? Javed Hashmi had no rights to "Try" to grab DG MI but considering the illegal activities of DG, Javed Hashmi should have spanked that Maj Gen as many times as he wanted.

The fact of the matter is that during all this time, the real intelligence matters resided with the ISI. MI is always focused inwards whereas the ISI runs the politicking.
So, ISI is equally involved in the crimes?

Has Maj Gen Nadeem Ijaz been given to speak his mind?
He should be given but in the court.

Yes how could it be Kayani's order? One dare not say that because he is the serving CoAS.
I thought he is Ameer ul momaneen.

However since Musharraf no longer has their nads in his hands, pin everything under the sun on him and his "right hand man"
Not jut pin but to drag him to the court.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

What character assassination are we going after here?

Have ANY of these charges been proven against this serving Maj Gen of the Pakistan Army in a court of law? Why do you demand action only against Nadeem Taj and not against the PPP officials involved in BB's security detail who have been named in the very same report that has every one in Pakistan jumping gaga? Do I detect a predisposition to anti-Army bias here?

No, you have not read any of my posts or threads. See this thread

http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/55658-pakistans-worst-political-party.html

I voted for "all of the above"

I am against every political party.

The self claimed victims and the criminals should give the answers to Supreme Court Of Pakistan.

 

[blain2]

If he had even tried to do this, the DGMI's protection team would have given Javed Hashmi the beating of his life yet the hero of PML-N claims that not only did he grab the DGMI by the neck, but forced him to lock himself up all the while the DGMI's security detachment was sitting smoking charras outside the camp jail.
So, you mean that the protection of DGMI is more important than the Law? Javed Hashmi had no rights to "Try" to grab DG MI but considering the illegal activities of DG, Javed Hashmi should have spanked that Maj Gen as many times as he wanted.

Another classic case of shooting from the hip. Realize what I have written. It pertains to the dubious heroic stories being peddled by self-serving politicians and journalists like Javaid Hashmi and Hamid Mir.

The fact of the matter is that during all this time, the real intelligence matters resided with the ISI. MI is always focused inwards whereas the ISI runs the politicking.
So, ISI is equally involved in the crimes?

How do I know? Put Kiyani up on trial as well all the while giving the likes of Rehman Malik a pass.

Has Maj Gen Nadeem Ijaz been given to speak his mind?
He should be given but in the court.

So why all the prejudgments incriminating Nadeem Taj's (I meant Taj above not Ijaz) character in your post?

Yes how could it be Kayani's order? One dare not say that because he is the serving CoAS.
I thought he is Ameer ul momaneen.

Yes now we are talking. He is one and the other is the Maulana Bijli of Peshawar.

However since Musharraf no longer has their nads in his hands, pin everything under the sun on him and his "right hand man"
Not jut pin but to drag him to the court.

Start off with all the treasonous idiots in country and then you can worry about asking the already bankrupt country to fund another expensive foreign/Interpol intervention to sort out our own affairs.

 

[blain2]

The self claimed victims and the criminals should give the answers to Supreme Court Of Pakistan.

Sorry to say, the Supreme court is too busy running the country and politicking for it to have time for such matters, but then again, the CJP may feel that its time for payback from Musharraf so lets begin the circus again. This time around, I actually want to see the bluff of these jokers (the political elite of Pakistan comprising of PML-N and PPP) called. Lets get Musharraf back in Pakistan and put him up in a transparent case and let him have his say. We will see kaun kitnay paani mai hai phir.

 

[sparklingway]

Oh wow what heroic action by Javed Hashmi. If he had even tried to do this, the DGMI's protection team would have given Javed Hashmi the beating of his life yet the hero of PML-N claims that not only did he grab the DGMI by the neck, but forced him to lock himself up all the while the DGMI's security detachment was sitting smoking charras outside the camp jail.

So, Javed Hasmi a seven time parliamentarian should have been soldiers in this hypothetical incident? Your hatred of the political class has clouded your judgment when it comes to basic rights as well then. There is nothing to add for you have shown what respect you have for rights, legislation, laws and regulations that are supposed to govern this land.

This self righteous, narcissistic and totalitarian ideas that resonate throughout the higher uniformed class and among apologists is contemptuous and demands a necessary overhaul.

You necessarily have to go on a tangent about prosecuting politicians when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Nadeem Ijaz isn't above any law of the land, nor is any other uniformed being in this country.

Nobody has suggested that Rehman Malik be given a clean chit and the way stories are folding, it is difficult to imagine if Rehman Malik will go scot free without an investigation. As for him being guilty, even if there's a impartial exhaustive trial, and he goes scot free (hypothetically) then you'll came that the trial was farce and if Nadeem Ijaz gets convicted (hypothetically) then you'll claim it was just aimed at making him the fall guy. Objectivity is lost when you're analyzing the military then.

You want to do an across the board accountability, open a new thread and we'll discuss the crimes, accusations and allegations on which to prosecute each and every person.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Another classic case of shooting from the hip. Realize what I have written. It pertains to the dubious heroic stories being peddled by self-serving politicians and journalists like Javaid Hashmi and Hamid Mir.



How do I know? Put Kiyani up on trial as well all the while giving the likes of Rehman Malik a pass.


So why all the prejudgments incriminating Nadeem Taj's (I meant Taj above not Ijaz) character in your post?


Yes now we are talking. He is one and the other is the Maulana Bijli of Peshawar.


Start off with all the treasonous idiots in country and then you can worry about asking the already bankrupt country to fund another expensive foreign/Interpol intervention to sort out our own affairs.

Another classic case of shooting from the hip. Realize what I have written. It pertains to the dubious heroic stories being peddled by self-serving politicians and journalists like Javaid Hashmi and Hamid Mir.
Exaggeration does not make the stories completely false.

How do I know? Put Kiyani up on trial as well all the while giving the likes of Rehman Malik a pass.
Yes, put everyone on trial. Zardari, NS, Kiyani, Musharaf, Rehman Malik etc

Start off with all the treasonous idiots in country and then you can worry about asking the already bankrupt country to fund another expensive foreign/Interpol intervention to sort out our own affairs.
Yes, I am with you. Start off from politicians to armed forces and industrialists.

So, you cannot solve missing people case because of the goddesses in the army. How could you ever solve this case where army is directly involved according to politicians. Had it been the U.S., where generals are not above the law than for sure we would have preferred an internal investigation. A country where you can impose emergencies, Marshal Laws, illegal acts, unconstitutional acts etc does not have a happy ending.
So, in conclusion I am fine with any investigation regarding politicians and/or army.

My mother's mamu was law minister during Zia Time (90 percent sure)

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Sorry to say, the Supreme court is too busy running the country and politicking for it to have time for such matters, but then again, the CJP may feel that its time for payback from Musharraf so lets begin the circus again. This time around, I actually want to see the bluff of these jokers (the political elite of Pakistan comprising of PML-N and PPP) called. Lets get Musharraf back in Pakistan and put him up in a transparent case and let him have his say. We will see kaun kitnay paani mai hai phir.

So, you are not only accusing political parties but you are also accusing CJP.
Sounds interesting.

 

[blain2]

So, Javed Hasmi a seven time parliamentarian should have been soldiers in this hypothetical incident? Your hatred of the political class has clouded your judgment when it comes to basic rights as well then. There is nothing to add for you have shown what respect you have for rights, legislation, laws and regulations that are supposed to govern this land.

I beg your pardon, but is my post really that convoluted that you are not able to understand the point I am trying to make?

Before passing judgments on me, please read my post a few times. Its seems you have missed the entire point.