'Go Nawaz Go' Campaign Launched by PAT & PTI

[batmannow]

Constitution of any country doesn't give you what you asked for. It gives you a democratically elected government. It tells you to protest without violence or others will get killed if you attack the Parliament and National TV or the Police force. That is what happened here.
And when constitution produces a democratically elected government, it then takes the responsibility to take the country and provide for what you are referring above. BUT.....the government needs to finish its term so that the projects it started can finish up. These aren't writing essays that they can finish over time, these are projects that are long term and usually last 3 to 5 years. So follow your constitution and it'll give you what you are referring to in your post through a democratic, NON VIOLENT system where things are discussed and negotiated. And no one gets killed or injured and no Parliament or the National TV is attacked. People start to live a peaceful and successful life (India, Turkey, Malaysia as examples of countries in the similar geography like Pakistan).

Voilence was born in tge country when politicians , called it as thier political rights thats why, PPP &PMLn both were involved in the voilent attackes on state institutuons in pakistan!
Dont tell me about malaysia or XYZ, s there is a country called CHINA , I like that?

 

[TankMan]

The last paragraph is RIGHT ON. Now we are talking. That is my whole point, so many killings didn't have to happen, hundreds of people didn't have to die and billions didn't have to be gone when Pakistan needs every dollar the MOST right now. Take a look at the IDP's who need temporary housing, add a few million flood victims and billion lost due to to protests, floods and war on terror.......can you really afford violent protests on the global media telling everyone how extremism exists in Pakistan at this level that "leaders" are attacking symbols of the nation (Parliament, the National TV) and all? And these two guys are STILL not backing down. Sad part is, they are alone and running a failed campaign that won't produce anything, but will further damage the country economically. THAT is my issue. Violence has stopped Pakistan from progressing and it will continue to do so unless these politicians learn and show the nation as to how to resolve their issues in the Parliament.
The Parliament HAS shown it can stand together, you guys can see events inside the parliament on TV. That's how democracies work, opposite parties sit in with their agendas but work together for the country, rejecting violence and extremism.

There's just a little problem with this... , the protests were necessary for what I described in the paragraph you are referring to, all the economic loss still would have happened. Probably not the loss of life though. PMLN wouldn't have felt any of the pressure until they saw PTI's street power (which resulted in them blocking roads etc). Shahbaz only offered his resignation after the protests were going on.

I understand everything you are trying to say but I disagree with it. Protest was required to show PMLN that if they don't get their stuff together and continue with their badmashi and violence, people will come out. It's not extremism.
Extremism is IK demanding the PM's resignation. Though I understand what Imran Khan thinks, I disagree with him too. He unfortunately isn't a very good politician. He's a good leader, not a good politician. He should have demanded NS's resignation to put pressure on PMLN and force them into a compromise (Like Shahbaz resigning and an investigation into rigging).

What Imran Khan wants is total justice. That is not practical at all. I agree with his main goals and ideology, but not some of his methods and impatience.

 

[batmannow]

You don't read very well do you? I've told you many times, I have NO sympathy for NS or support. If you have the proofs, I'd LOVE to see a crook in Jail (if you can prove it to the court). I support the democratic system who's put him in charge, but he's not the issue. The system is. I support democratic right of every Pakistani to live a better life, without Extremist and Violence and innocents getting killed.
I am definitely against these people who call themselves leaders and end up hurting hundreds of people's lives through forcing them to do violence and get killed. While they sit behind bullet proof cars. And the country takes a hit of billions due to lost business and not to mention bad reputation. I support peace, stability and growth for Pakistan!

We dont need to read your posts , cause you dont have enough political knowledge about pakistan, s political history?
So better learn it, before bieng the professor here?

 

[Viper0011.]

That's exactly what a CIA agent would talk about...... lol
Just to clarify, my post wasn't meant to accuse orangzaib of being a CIA agent

Both of your statements are OPPOSITES!! What's your name IK or Mullah? lol, this is what they do, their one sentence doesn't match with their next one.

See bold part, if you think you are offending me by calling me a CIA agent, you are mistaken. I am sure majority of Americans dream of being a part of such a great and honorable institute but little few are lucky to be a part of it. If I was employed by the CIA, I'd be honored to have the ability serve my country, NO doubt about it.

But the discussion here is not against Pakistan. It is FOR a violent free, democratic, peaceful and economically strong Pakistan!!

 

[batmannow]

Both of your statements are OPPOSITES!! What's your name IK or Mullah? lol, this is what they do, their one sentence doesn't match with their next one.

See bold part, if you think you are offending me by calling me a CIA agent, you are mistaken. I am sure majority of Americans dream of being a part of such a great and honorable institute but little few are lucky to be a part of it. If I was employed by the CIA, I'd be honored to have the ability serve my country, NO doubt about it.

But the discussion here is not against Pakistan. It is FOR a violent free, democratic, peaceful and economically strong Pakistan!!

Listen to this GO NAWAZ GO, thats what pakistani nation wants now?
& we dont care, what you think about it?

 

[Viper0011.]

We dont need to read your posts , cause you dont have enough political knowledge about pakistan, s political history? So better learn it, before bieng the professor here?

I know EVERY aspect of your politics since Zia's time, probably more intimately then you do. When you can't provide justifications or facts, you resort to this. I am used to it. Come back with facts and PROOFS on rigging and corruption please. And, whatever the situation is, the Taliban style terrorism and attacks on the Parliament, Police and on National TV are NOT justified for any reason. You can't risk innocent people's lives at risk, get hundreds injured for a failed campaign that didn't, hasn't and won't produce squat. You, I and everyone watching the Sun knows it. So why resort to violence to begin with? Why not use the Parliament and do a sit-in there with elected officials instead of getting people killed and billions lost???
This is common sense here. There is no reason why anyone needs to know history. We are talking about NO to violence and extremism, No to attacking the Police, the Parliament building and hundreds getting injured and many killed. Yes to a stable, progressing, peaceful and extremism free Pakistan!

 

[TankMan]

You don't read very well do you? I've told you many times, I have NO sympathy for NS or support. If you have the proofs, I'd LOVE to see a crook in Jail (if you can prove it to the court). I support the democratic system who's put him in charge, but he's not the issue. The system is. I support democratic right of every Pakistani to live a better life, without Extremist and Violence and innocents getting killed.
I am definitely against these people who call themselves leaders and end up hurting hundreds of people's lives through forcing them to do violence and get killed. While they sit behind bullet proof cars. And the country takes a hit of billions due to lost business and not to mention bad reputation. I support peace, stability and growth for Pakistan!

You don't read very well do you? I've told you many times, I have NO sympathy for NS or support.

Honestly, your posts are so long, sometimes I don't feel like reading them. But I do read them completely. If you have no sympathy for NS, try taking a more neutral stance in this debate. Try seeing the other point of view. Your posts are so one-sided that it definitely looks like you support PMLN.

I am definitely against these people who call themselves leaders and end up hurting hundreds of people's lives through forcing them to do violence and get killed. While they sit behind bullet proof cars. And the country takes a hit of billions due to lost business and not to mention bad reputation. I support peace, stability and growth for Pakistan!

So then you are also against Nawaz Sharif who uses the Police to intimidate his political opponents and kill innocents. Glad that you finally agreed to that.
My point is that don't just criticize PTI. Criticize PMLN too. You never said that you disagree with what PMLN did in model town, you always avoided that topic, just like a PMLN supporter would.
Here's some proof that PMLN was behind it:
Mubasher Lucman Exposing Khawaja Saad Rafique’s Statements | Tune.pk
Khawaja Saad Rafique threatened to "welcome" qadri, he said that "We will welcome you in such a way that you won't dare to oppose us again", just before the Model Town incident.

Both of your statements are OPPOSITES!! What's your name IK or Mullah? lol, this is what they do, their one sentence doesn't match with their next one.

See bold part, if you think you are offending me by calling me a CIA agent, you are mistaken. I am sure majority of Americans dream of being a part of such a great and honorable institute but little few are lucky to be a part of it. If I was employed by the CIA, I'd be honored to have the ability serve my country, NO doubt about it.

But the discussion here is not against Pakistan. It is FOR a violent free, democratic, peaceful and economically strong Pakistan!!

Didn't you see the little "lol" next to my first statement? It was meant to be a joke. And I didn't mean to try to offend you by calling you a CIA agent. No need to explode like that.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Sure we are mature enough to throw the system of doom, which can bring 70 dishes of food for politicians but cant bring a bread to the poors of the country?
Sure we need to kick our the system which is building more mayfair mansions & surrey palaces in UK, but the poor of the country cant even get a free space of 100 meters to build a room for themselves!

i dont think TuQ can give you tat either

 

[batmannow]

I know EVERY aspect of your politics since Zia's time, probably more intimately then you do. When you can't provide justifications or facts, you resort to this. I am used to it. Come back with facts and PROOFS on rigging and corruption please. And, whatever the situation is, the Taliban style terrorism and attacks on the Parliament, Police and on National TV are NOT justified for any reason. You can't risk innocent people's lives at risk, get hundreds injured for a failed campaign that didn't, hasn't and won't produce squat. You, I and everyone watching the Sun knows it. So why resort to violence to begin with? Why not use the Parliament and do a sit-in there with elected officials instead of getting people killed and billions lost???
This is common sense here. There is no reason why anyone needs to know history. We are talking about NO to violence and extremism, No to attacking the Police, the Parliament building and hundreds getting injured and many killed. Yes to a stable, progressing, peaceful and extremism free Pakistan!

You are not a judge or any institution , from which I will get any thing?
Your knowledge about pakistani politics doesnt made you remember that it was , PML n which attacked our supreme court?
So I have 3 words for you? GO NAWAZ GO GO DAMOCRAZY GO!

i dont think TuQ can give you tat either

Maybe not, but he is more educated, well versed he need chance, then why not if we compare the eiltes rulled on us ?
Asif zardari? A declared mental sick?
Nawaz sharif? With no knowledge about international politics or nation building process?
I am 1000 % positive both cant stand infront of TUQ at any , competition specially if bern forced to argument?

 

[TankMan]

You are not a judge or any institution , from which I will get any thing?
Your knowledge about pakistani politics doesnt made you remember that it was , PML n which attacked our supreme court?
So I have 3 words for you? GO NAWAZ GO GO DAMOCRAZY GO!

No offence man, but you abuse the question mark ('?') a lot.
"So I have 3 words for you", for example, wouldn't end in a question mark. It is a statement, not a question. Same mistake in your signature.

Your knowledge about pakistani politics doesnt made you remember that it was , PML n which attacked our supreme court?

This sentence would be structured like this: "Didn't (not doesn't) your knowledge about Pakistani politics remind you that PMLN attacked our supreme court?"
Just some friendly advice about the English language, wrong grammar makes your posts a pain to read. Improve your grammar and people will take your posts more seriously.

 

[FaujHistorian]

You are not a judge or any institution , from which I will get any thing?
Your knowledge about pakistani politics doesnt made you remember that it was , PML n which attacked our supreme court?
So I have 3 words for you? GO NAWAZ GO GO DAMOCRAZY GO!


Maybe not, but he is more educated, well versed he need chance, then why not if we compare the eiltes rulled on us ?
Asif zardari? A declared mental sick?
Nawaz sharif? With no knowledge about international politics or nation building process?
I am 1000 % positive both cant stand infront of TUQ at any , competition specially if bern forced to argument?

Bhai.

may be he is 100000 times better than NS.

unfortunately TuQ is using the same patwari culture, bribes, and threats on his poor followers.

That in my book makes him the same as any other politician.

With one major drawback. He could not get PAT elected in significant way.

hope you understand.

 

[batmannow]

No offence man, but you abuse the question mark ('?') a lot.
"So I have 3 words for you", for example, wouldn't end in a question mark. It is a statement, not a question. Same mistake in your signature.

This sentence would be structured like this: "Didn't (not doesn't) your knowledge about Pakistani politics remind you that PMLN attacked our supreme court?"
Just some friendly advice about the English language, wrong grammar makes your posts a pain to read. Improve your grammar and people will take your posts more seriously.

Tanker, thats me, my style!

 

[TankMan]

Tanker, thats me, my style!

Okay, your choice then.

 

[batmannow]

Bhai.

may be he is 100000 times better than NS.

unfortunately TuQ is using the same patwari culture, bribes, and threats on his poor followers.

That in my book makes him the same as any other politicians.

With one major drawback. He could not get PAT elected in significant way.

hope you understand.

TUQ using patwari culture? Its kind of funny?
Cause he is in no power, nor he is any CM in punjab so how can he use that?
I mean, it could be worse prapoganda?
He could not, get PAT elected?
Bring fair elections the we will see where PAT stands, or if he cant win as much as PMLn then he dont have any rights to do politics? Come on! Lolzzz
& if he is better then the both of noora & ghadari still, then we dont need to support him? I mean what are you talking about?

Okay, your choice then.

Thats it, oky !

 

[Viper0011.]

Your posts are so one-sided that it definitely looks like you support PMLN.

So then you are also against Nawaz Sharif who uses the Police to intimidate his political opponents and kill innocents. Glad that you finally agreed to that.
My point is that don't just criticize PTI. Criticize PMLN too. You never said that you disagree with what PMLN did in model town

Mubasher Lucman
Khawaja Saad Rafique threatened to "welcome" qadri, he said that "We will welcome you in such a way that you won't dare to oppose us again", just before the Model Town incident.

I am glad we are now debating. I appreciate the questions too. Allow me to explain:

What I seeing, judging and basing my responses off of, is NOT the past. I know everyone did corruption through different channels in the 90's. IK was a big gambler, still has drinking and women issues. BUT....all those things from the past....don't make up the Pakistan today and its future.

To go to the future, I see what has happened in the past 15 months since this government took the office. Do I agree with their "ruling style" that they don't show up in the Parliament and all? Heck no. (Criticism right here and something I've written many times).
But do I ALSO take a look at what they are doing, have started and will complete if they remained in power till the end of their term?? I sure do.

Do I see clear benefits for Pakistan as a country, for an entire nation and globally? HELL YES!!! So that tells me, what's the goal here.....??? If their ruling style isn't great, the Parliament needs to correct it. BUT....the country needs to move forward. People that have been oppressed with big shot politicians and other socioeconomic issues, need a better future.
Since they came in, there hasn't been corruption. The same transparency international has said that there has been less than 20% corruption on all projects and no corruption related to the government and at the minister / secretary levels.
The book of projects they have started includes:
1) Around 100 Billion worth of investments
2) Electric production in surplus in less than 7 years. Electric outages down to 20% in the next 3 years
3) Infrastructure in place to take goods and services from the Oceans , throughout Pakistan to China (And later Central Russian states)
4) Education and Healthcare advancements (I know of over10 specialized medical universities that have opened up and over 20 engineering schools who opened up around the country)
5) Product based increased exports (GSP Plus already received, working with the US and the ME on certain tariffs right now), IT and Software products and support focused, technology parks opening up
6) Alternative trade routes (to Russia, India and all the way to Turkey)
7) Planning for energy and oil and gas exploration (including Shale Gas and increased Hydro energy projects to save water and to produce expensive oil free energy)

All the above will start to show progress (some will start to complete within the next 304 years actually). Within the next 3 years, your Tax circles will double (doubling the Tax system means doubling 70 years of tax payers number in less than 5 years). Because within the next 3 years, they are predicting about 15 million new jobs that will continue to increase as the growth increases. That's a LOT of progress, which will result in making a NEW Pakistan (already in works), paying off debt, getting rid of extremism based talibanization (as people will have work to do and education from good schools available). So this is WHY I don't support violent over throw effort by a couple as it'll destroy majority of what I've written above. And that's damaging Pakistan and you shouldn't allow it. Your country should be above your personal interests at all cost. Btw, I don't get paid to try to clear the future image of Pakistan. I think my time is being spent here for a good reason to move people's thought process towards a progressive and peaceful Pakistan.