'Go Nawaz Go' Campaign Launched by PAT & PTI

[FaujHistorian]

Atleast they all are Pakistanis.......

Bhai Jaan

let's not pick and choose. Canadian citizen is a canadian citizen.
TuQ is TuQ.

What they do or don't do for IK is separate discussion.

I still feel that IK lowered his standards by getting in bed with a khabees mullah like TuQ

 

[TankMan]

...maybe ur American Funded CiA agent??? who knows.....

Sounds pretty implausible the way you put it, but it isn't too far fetched to think that America has a social media and internet forum version of the CIA
Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media | Technology | The Guardian

 

[Viper0011.]

You appear to be AMERICAN first not Pakistani (you've both american flags in ur profile). Which makes you FOREIGNER in my Eye and your Loyalty have serious Questions
.

The mullah getting your country screwed economically and doing terrorism by attacking the Parliament and the National TV stations and getting innocents killed in the name of "Islamic Revolution" is REALLY a run away Pakistan with a Canadian citizenship which makes him bow to the Queen and pledge allegiance!!!! Talk about "Loyalty". Sad part if, people like you, follow him LOL, and you are ok with the domestic terrorism and your own insitutions getting attacjed and people getting killed by these two. But someone trying to tell you to be peaceful has "loyalty issues"...can someone write anything more retarded than this???

Next, same with IK, his kids are taken care of in the UK and he has half nationality too. So who gets screwed at the end??? People like you!! LOL.

God gave all of us brains enough to know murders, violence, killing, assaulting homes and buildings are fundamentally wrong. No matter what someone's objective is. It is wrong. I think you know that too but you don't want to remember it for your personal bias towards these two people here. What you and others are really saying is, violence, killings are allowed for our party to take power. But its wrong when others do it ???

Sounds familiar? Its the SAME position IK and Mullah has on elections. Where they win, it was all legal and allowed, where they lost was illegal. When they killed, its legal and they shouldn't go to the court for it, where someone else did it to avoid government buildings to be destroyed, its "murders" and they should be punished.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Sounds pretty implausible the way you put it, but it isn't too far fetched to think that America has a social media and internet forum version of the CIA
Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media | Technology | The Guardian

Please bhai jaan.

Orangzaib should not be accused of being CIA agent.

I have read a lot of his posts. He always talks about political stability in Pakistan.

Let's go easy on accusations of that level.

Thank you

 

[batmannow]

Please bhai jaan.

Orangzaib should not be accused of being CIA agent.

I have read a lot of his posts. He always talks about political stability in Pakistan.

Let's go easy on accusations of that level.

Thank you

Why all of his posts allways ends with the state depertments dream time lines about pakistan, while thier own artificial democrazies are living jokes in IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN & even in LIBIYA?

 

[Viper0011.]

Sounds pretty implausible the way you put it, but it isn't too far fetched to think that America has a social media and internet forum version of the CIA

Actually, its not too far fetched at all. Like any modern country, the US has its presence from all sides to monitor its interests over the internet. I am sure someone is reading my post somewhere and smiling at it. There is nothing wrong with it, even Pakistan has these things. The Chinese steal half the business secrets through the internet.

But to counter someone and call them all these weird things and all....when someone's telling you that violence, murders represent extremism and are dangerous for you (which is common sense) and you choosing to ignore it, doesn't make sense. Tells me how delusional you guys are. But the democracy is the way to go and that means people who are democratic, learn to resolve their differences with dialogue. Something very absent in these violent protests!

 

[forcetrip]

Oh you DIDN'T. This wont be fun for you:

1) The ONLY credible links from here are the one's referencing Transparency International and other international bodies. WordPress, ARY, the Tribune are ALL pro-IK. So let's discount that and take the real ones into account.

2) NOTE: on the international / independent media links you provided above. The real reference articles were ALL written in 2013!!!! When the current government had been working for the first few months. There is NO possible way for any government to start corruption in the first few months as they are setting up. They start the projects and usually, that's when the corruption happens, usually around November till the next May (post budget and before the next one is being setup). All these articles were written right around when the budget was being done so no money flows until approved.

SO you REALLY need to show articles from NOW ....15 months worth of performance (again, independent media, not IK sponsored and Mullah paid). Your references don't support the corruption case at all.

Next, the guy who wrote a book.....did you see on the page of the book he ONLY had NSs picture (LOL)? Do you not see how bias it is JUST by reading this sentence?

A white guys sitting in the UK or Australia or Dubai or the US.....wants to right about corruption. Guess who he puts on the page.....NS. LOL. Paid much???? Do you think NS has done more corruption than Zardari? Simple answer: HELL NO. The FATHER of corruption in Pakistan in recent times has been Zardari, nothing beats him. I can write a LIST of billions that he put into his accounts, openly and blatantly.

You know how MUCH corruption happens elsewhere in India and Russia and the Middle East???? TRILLION of dollars. Do you think NS's potentially done corruption at the level of that? You are SADLY mistaken.

3) Last but not least, this ISN'T about NS. This is about the SYSTEM. This is about a country's progress first. And then at the end, it is about the work that's underway. NS's team has started the work. No matter what you write, you don't have ANYTHING concrete that can disqualify him on corruption charges after 15 months of their work across many billions of dollars worth of projects. SO......if there is no proof, let the current team work instead of disrupting so many projects that are about to complete in the next 12 - 24 months. If you don't let the system work, many billions will be lost based on "hear say" and the country will go back many years.

Also, this IS about people who are causing billions of loss at the time of crises from the Coast of Karachi till the Mountains of FATA. If a couple of idiots are too busy attacking Parliaments and TV stations to topple the government, when the entire nation is paralyzed and traumatized with natural disasters and terrorism and associated evacuations, what do you call them? Leaders? Really? I have a whole different term for losers who are NO WHERE to be found for the poor men and women they apparently stand for. I'll keep that "Term" to myself as this is pretty much an anti-democracy forum it seems like.

The AMOUNT of projects that are about to start finishing up in the next 14 to 36 months is ALSO going to be staggering. And the number of employment its going to generate (estimated 25 million jobs).....is going to be staggering too. With a staggering increase in defense spending, military joint ventures being planned, Naval expansion for Gawader outside of the traditional highways to connect to China and Rail system doing the same, then eventually connecting the Central Russian states. And at some point, joining India in the mix for road based trade, producing surplus energy for the first time in 70 years......all this is going to be staggering for the economy. It'll literally jump start Pakistan's future and you can START to see results starting in the next two years.....if the current system continues.

How do you do all this "staggering work" if you are as poor as Pakistan? You get loans, do projects, create jobs, pay people, collect tax, increase tax base and "pay off" these loans. Once you setup a significant portfolio of these projects (what the current gov't did), then after watching your reforms and progress, investors join in to (China now offering 50 Billion investment and THEN more in soft loans, the US offering assistance in a RANGE of projects, including energy and all, the Middle East investing many billions in Real Estate development), to name a few examples. Why in the WORLD you'd want this economic and financial lifeline that finally made it to Pakistan to disrupt??? Are you guys so blind that two so called "leaders" can turn your thinking process off that you can't see basic stuff and how it helps the entire country and takes the entire nation forward??

1) You forgot to add BBC. I will make sure I keep an eye out for some articles from DAWN or GEO news. But I am sure you would term them pro IK or having a bad menstruating day or whatever is easier. The amount of money borrowed is no secret: Here is your Dawn anti IK news source.

Govt breaches limit, adds $15.3bn to external debt - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

You can not argue with numbers. I am not even going into not paying the power companies because that was another hole dug by the previous government. But I can tell you that the so called projects in the pipeline are far from kosher. What would you expect when the one Sharif guy heads 8 minsitries? (Dropped down from 18 ministries). You do understand that more than 80 ministries are being headed by just this family alone?

Nandipur plant was operational only for five days - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Shahbaz sheds some ministries - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

2) and 3) I wrote a big *** reply to explain all your points but I knew it will not make a difference. It is time consuming work to bring you facts that are easily available on your pro nawaz websites because numbers can not lie. Showing good numbers by selling state assets can not last forever. Balance of trade is in the dumps.

Before comparing corruption levels of other countries please always look at amount of trade being done in those countries.

Either way, long story short. I have seen in this year that Nawaz Sharif is not the answer for getting this country back on its feet. Thats pretty much evident with his mega developed city Lahore, which is now littered with containers and rain water.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Why all of his posts allways ends with the state depertments dream time lines about pakistan, while thier own artificial democrazies are living jokes in IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN & even in LIBIYA?

Now let's not compare such countries like Iraq with us.

We have had 4 regional and one federal level parliaments for a long long long time.

The guys you talk about are almost 100 years behind us politically.

Peace

1) You forgot to add BBC. I will make sure I keep an eye out for some articles from DAWN or GEO news. But I am sure you would term them pro IK or having a bad menstruating day or whatever is easier. The amount of money borrowed is no secret: Here is your Dawn anti IK news source.

Govt breaches limit, adds $15.3bn to external debt - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

You can not argue with numbers. I am not even going into not paying the power companies because that was another hole dug by the previous government. But I can tell you that the so called projects in the pipeline are far from kosher. What would you expect when the one Sharif guy heads 8 minsitries? (Dropped down from 18 ministries). You do understand that more than 80 ministries are being headed by just this family alone?

Nandipur plant was operational only for five days - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Shahbaz sheds some ministries - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

2) and 3) I wrote a big *** reply to explain all your points but I knew it will not make a difference. It is time consuming work to bring you facts that are easily available on your pro nawaz websites because numbers can not lie. Showing good numbers by selling state assets can not last forever. Balance of trade is in the dumps.

Before comparing corruption levels of other countries please always look at amount of trade being done in those countries.

Either way, long story short. I have seen in this year that Nawaz Sharif is not the answer for getting this country back on its feet. Thats pretty much evident with all the containers of his mega developed city Lahore, which is now littered with containers and rain water. You cant just
make things look pretty you need to use your head and make some storm drains as well.

Look bhai,

then go to parliament and pass a no confidence motion. If it fails.

Do it again

again
again
again

until you legally defeat NS and his policies.

The way IK and TuQ are doing right now, is pathetic, and there is no way they can help reduce external debt doing dharnas and dances, and $hitting in the open, right next to ebassies.

People used to joke about Indian cities smelling like $hit all the time.

Now we have brought the same $hit smell to one of our cleanest cities.

external debt an issue.

I am talking about external $hit that needs to be removed first.

 

[batmannow]

Now let's not compare such countries like Iraq with us.

We have had 4 regional and one federal level parliaments for a long long long time.

The guys you talk about are almost 100 years behind us politically.

Peace

All of your regional & federal parliments have produced what for the peoples of pakistan?
& where you think you stand bieng ahead of them, sure better then even israel?
Plz bring in something credible in the disscussion dont just listen your tv anchors who were bieng paid to do prapogandas?

 

[Viper0011.]

Orangzaib should not be accused of being CIA agent.
I have read a lot of his posts. He always talks about political stability in Pakistan.

I am not offended. Working for any institution like the CIA, USAF or others is an honor for any American citizen. But the issue here as you pointed out has nothing to do with any CIA or anything.

Telling you to stop these violent protests, focus on economic growth and take the Pakistan forward as a moderate, Terrorism Free, educated and successful country.....is negative to others. What Pakistan they belong to if all they want is a legacy of continued violence and toppled government by a couple of people who don't even have their immediate families in Pakistan.....talk about loyalty and patriotism.

 

[B+ Dracula]

Sounds pretty implausible the way you put it, but it isn't too far fetched to think that America has a social media and internet forum version of the CIA

I understand

Bhai Jaan
let's not pick and choose. Canadian citizen is a canadian citizen.
TuQ is TuQ.
What they do or don't do for IK is separate discussion.
I still feel that IK lowered his standards by getting in bed with a khabees mullah like TuQ

TuQ have zero Chance of Success (in terms of Politics not Model town theme) for Evidence read Javed Ch todays column
Daily Express News Story

(IK lowered his standards??)
I dont think so...."Dobtay ko tinkay ka sahara"
Right now mummy daddy type of Crowd (like me & you) are not comming to his call (Dharna) & that leave him no choice to have a back door alliance with little Army of Ants
.
Farsightedness:
After the success of Dharna Mission - nobody cares ....he did that & that & that (dance party,canadian, Army, London Conspiracy) bla bla bla

My Overview:
Qadri will go exhaust iwithin 30 days (before Eid) - Iam 100% sure, Right now he is tempting to play with their emotions by threats, "Caffen Posh drama" ......Sooner or later his crowd will turn a Deaf Ear to him....WHY??
1. Winters Approaching
2. Already Exhausted
3. Increasing Overheads

 

[FaujHistorian]

All of your regional & federal parliments have produced what for the peoples of pakistan?
& where you think you stand bieng ahead of them, sure better then even israel?
Plz bring in something credible in the disscussion dont just listen your tv anchors who were bieng paid to do prapogandas?

These institutions are our pride. People dream about them for 100s of years before getting one.

What you are talking bout brother?

or you are dreaming about Thailand solution?

 

[TankMan]

I don't think you read my post carefully. But your lengthy response is summed up in two of your statements above:

1) You didn't care to read that part that you are posting articles written in 2013. When these guys were new. Post something with FACTS from RECENT media. Like 10 Million were given to NS for corruption and here's the proof (a legal proof). And if you have that proof......PLEASE for the love of God take it to the court. If you don't have it, for the love of your nation, be quiet and let the system continue as you can't take it down. Change doesn't come with attacking Parliament and National TVs. That's terrorism, just like what the Taliban do in your country. They attack important places and spread fear. Hows are thee violent protestors representing some failed change representing anything otherwise??

2) Here's the bottom line, you don't want Democracy, you want to topple the system so the military can come in. I think you are either an X-Military or have family in there. But allow me to bring you to 2014. Military can't and won't (please read my words carefully, CAN'T and WON'T) come into the power no more. The current COAS is a smart guy and he's changed the culture and military rule is now a history with a dark past.

In about TWO months, you'll see a bunch of generals / corpse commanders retiring who WANTED military intervention (mark my words, just like I said on here when the protests hadn't even left from Lahore that NOTHING will topple the government, I stand right today).
I have tremendous amounts of respect for the current and the previous COAS. They supported the democracy and the current COAS is ABOUT to take a U turn from the usual military mentality, i.e. NEVER interfere in the Civilian population. IMO, this is a GREAT step in restoring and strengthening the honor of the military.

So please......take a look at your country and all these good things that are happening (outside of disasters like War in FATA, the Flood, the IK and Mullah protests), the rest seems to be bringing in a promising future where Pakistan as a nation will continue down the democratic path and will become a MUCH cleaner and moderate democratic system (Without ANY Violence).

1) You didn't care to read that part that you are posting articles written in 2013. When these guys were new. Post something with FACTS from RECENT media. Like 10 Million were given to NS for corruption and here's the proof (a legal proof). And if you have that proof......PLEASE for the love of God take it to the court. If you don't have it, for the love of your nation, be quiet and let the system continue as you can't take it down. Change doesn't come with attacking Parliament and National TVs. That's terrorism, just like what the Taliban do in your country. They attack important places and spread fear. Hows are thee violent protestors representing some failed change representing anything otherwise??

I replied to that and posted more recent articles. And no, these guys were not "new".
Nawaz Sharif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A legal proof? When they took proof of PMLN worker Gullu Butt smashing cars, the court let him go on bail because video evidence is not enough.. What does "legal proof" mean anyways?

Change doesn't come with attacking Parliament and National TVs.

Change comes when people protest. No one was attacking Parliament. They were moving to protest infront of it. When the police shelled them, there was chaos and in the chaos people "attacked" National TV and the parliament

Hows are thee violent protestors representing some failed change representing anything otherwise??

Are they violent right now? Were they violent for the 20 days before the clash? No. Violence happens when police lets people through then shells them from both sides.
Now, to answer your question, they are representing the fact that people are sick of these mainstream politicians who do nothing practical. You haven't lived in Pakistan so I don't expect you to understand.

Here's the bottom line, you don't want Democracy, you want to topple the system so the military can come in. I think you are either an X-Military or have family in there. But allow me to bring you to 2014. Military can't and won't (please read my words carefully, CAN'T and WON'T) come into the power no more. The current COAS is a smart guy and he's changed the culture and military rule is now a history with a dark past.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said I want marshall law. And yes, you are right, the current COAS is smart enough to avoid having to get into Marshal law. I have great respect for our military, that's there.
I even said all of what you are saying here, along with some additional arguments against Marshal Law, in a previous post (I don't remember where). Bottom line is that I don't want Nawaz Sharif's abuses of power and everything to go unchallenged.

Honestly, i'm against Imran Khan's demand of PM's resignation. I believe that Imran Khan could have done a lot better if he accepted the resignation of Shahbaz and a little investigation. That would have given Nawaz the message that PTI and the population isn't going to sit and watch, that it is awake and doesn't trust Nawaz Sharif. This would have forced him to deliver, even if he didn't want to.

Marshal Law was never an option in such a situation.

In about TWO months, you'll see a bunch of generals / corpse commanders retiring who WANTED military intervention (mark my words, just like I said on here when the protests hadn't even left from Lahore that NOTHING will topple the government, I stand right today).
I have tremendous amounts of respect for the current and the previous COAS. They supported the democracy and the current COAS is ABOUT to take a U turn from the usual military mentality, i.e. NEVER interfere in the Civilian population. IMO, this is a GREAT step in restoring and strengthening the honor of the military.

"corpse commanders", that made me chuckle. You mean corps commanders? Yeah, maybe you're right.
Kayani wasn't as good, Raheel is a lot more clever and stronger, though I respect them both. I agree, its a good step.

So please......take a look at your country and all these good things that are happening (outside of disasters like War in FATA, the Flood, the IK and Mullah protests), the rest seems to be bringing in a promising future where Pakistan as a nation will continue down the democratic path and will become a MUCH cleaner and moderate democratic system (Without ANY Violence

If you are to believe the politicians, then yes, thats what it looks like. Otherwise, when you're living in Pakistan, it doesn't look like that at all.

 

[batmannow]

These institutions are our pride. People dream about them for 100s of years before getting one.

What you are talking bout brother?

These institutions are the shame of the whole nation, thats elite debating club, for the elites by the elites !
Of thier crouptions!
Thats it, I am talking about the shamefull parliments which never brought any thing good for the peoples of pakistan?

 

[Viper0011.]

All of your regional & federal parliments have produced what for the peoples of pakistan?

At least they didn't produce people attacking parliament buildings, throwing patrol bombs on police, being a religious cleric and using language like a third class thug, forcing people to bring about religious "revolution" by lying to them (isn't that against the religion???).....at least they didn't produce violence and killings of policemen and other civilians.

If you as a NATION don't use Parliament as a place to go resolve your issues correctly, who's fault is that?

What are these violent, undemocratic and unconstitutional protests producing for Pakistan or HAVE produced so far? A trail of lies, bloodshed, economic destruction of billions, many dead bodies and hundreds of injured people???? That's what you refer to as "a change"??? I think I am very oppose to it as a TRUE change comes from within the democratic system and shows itself off by improving people's lifestyles, by providing job, growing the economy, education, healthcare and all. All that has already started by the current government but a Few Thousand want to violently take over the rest 200 MILLION people by force for a specific agenda. Good luck with that, the majority has already said no to this as there is like 10 K people from the entire nation trying to "change" the system when they don't have proper places there to change their clothes!