Oh you DIDN'T. This wont be fun for you:
2) NOTE: on the international / independent media links you provided above. The real reference articles were ALL written in 2013!!!! When the current government had been working for the first few months. There is NO possible way for any government to start corruption in the first few months as they are setting up. They start the projects and usually, that's when the corruption happens, usually around November till the next May (post budget and before the next one is being setup). All these articles were written right around when the budget was being done so no money flows until approved.
SO you REALLY need to show articles from NOW ....15 months worth of performance (again, independent media, not IK sponsored and Mullah paid). Your references don't support the corruption case at all.
Next, the guy who wrote a book.....did you see on the page of the book he ONLY had NSs picture (LOL)? Do you not see how bias it is JUST by reading this sentence?
A white guys sitting in the UK or Australia or Dubai or the US.....wants to right about corruption. Guess who he puts on the page.....NS. LOL. Paid much???? Do you think NS has done more corruption than Zardari? Simple answer: HELL NO. The FATHER of corruption in Pakistan in recent times has been Zardari, nothing beats him. I can write a LIST of billions that he put into his accounts, openly and blatantly.
You know how MUCH corruption happens elsewhere in India and Russia and the Middle East???? TRILLION of dollars. Do you think NS's potentially done corruption at the level of that? You are SADLY mistaken.
3) Last but not least, this ISN'T about NS. This is about the SYSTEM. This is about a country's progress first. And then at the end, it is about the work that's underway. NS's team has started the work. No matter what you write, you don't have ANYTHING concrete that can disqualify him on corruption charges after 15 months of their work across many billions of dollars worth of projects. SO......if there is no proof, let the current team work instead of disrupting so many projects that are about to complete in the next 12 - 24 months. If you don't let the system work, many billions will be lost based on "hear say" and the country will go back many years.
Also, this IS about people who are causing billions of loss at the time of crises from the Coast of Karachi till the Mountains of FATA. If a couple of idiots are too busy attacking Parliaments and TV stations to topple the government, when the entire nation is paralyzed and traumatized with natural disasters and terrorism and associated evacuations, what do you call them? Leaders? Really? I have a whole different term for losers who are NO WHERE to be found for the poor men and women they apparently stand for. I'll keep that "Term" to myself as this is pretty much an anti-democracy forum it seems like.
The AMOUNT of projects that are about to start finishing up in the next 14 to 36 months is ALSO going to be staggering. And the number of employment its going to generate (estimated 25 million jobs).....is going to be staggering too. With a staggering increase in defense spending, military joint ventures being planned, Naval expansion for Gawader outside of the traditional highways to connect to China and Rail system doing the same, then eventually connecting the Central Russian states. And at some point, joining India in the mix for road based trade, producing surplus energy for the first time in 70 years......all this is going to be staggering for the economy. It'll literally jump start Pakistan's future and you can START to see results starting in the next two years.....if the current system continues.
How do you do all this "staggering work" if you are as poor as Pakistan? You get loans, do projects, create jobs, pay people, collect tax, increase tax base and "pay off" these loans. Once you setup a significant portfolio of these projects (what the current gov't did), then after watching your reforms and progress, investors join in to (China now offering 50 Billion investment and THEN more in soft loans, the US offering assistance in a RANGE of projects, including energy and all, the Middle East investing many billions in Real Estate development), to name a few examples. Why in the WORLD you'd want this economic and financial lifeline that finally made it to Pakistan to disrupt??? Are you guys so blind that two so called "leaders" can turn your thinking process off that you can't see basic stuff and how it helps the entire country and takes the entire nation forward??
1) The ONLY credible links from here are the one's referencing Transparency International and other international bodies. WordPress, ARY, the Tribune are ALL pro-IK. So let's discount that and take the real ones into account.
Oh, so the tribune is pro IK too? Just recently someone was using an article from the tribune against PTI in a debate with me.
The Nation? That too? The nation is the same newspaper that had an article about "Sex workers" in the Azadi March and was criticising IK. I used to read the Nation in Pakistan, it was fairly neutral. What do you want, an article from the Daily Jang??
So every newspaper that disagrees with your point of view doesn't count and is "Pro IK" but if I say that some media is biased towards PMLN, I'm lying and making conspiracy theories.
The wordpress etc are just lists, they were convenient for me because I didn't have the time or energy to compile lists myself.
Transparency international? They can't do enough in an environment like Pakistan's, but here you go, Transparency International references:
Transparency takes on Punjab govt - thenews.com.pk
Pakistan: As Corrupt As Ever? | The Diplomat
2) NOTE: on the international / independent media links you provided above. The real reference articles were ALL written in 2013!!!! When the current government had been working for the first few months. There is NO possible way for any government to start corruption in the first few months as they are setting up. They start the projects and usually, that's when the corruption happens, usually around November till the next May (post budget and before the next one is being setup). All these articles were written right around when the budget was being done so no money flows until approved.
Most of those refer to Punjab. Who was in power in Punjab during Zardari's term? PMLN. PMLN didn't have to "set up" anywhere. They were already set up enough to loot Punjab, other provinces maybe not but PMLN definitely loots Punjab.
SO you REALLY need to show articles from NOW ....15 months worth of performance (again, independent media, not IK sponsored and Mullah paid). Your references don't support the corruption case at all.
"IK sponsored and Mullah paid", ok, but if I was to say something is "PMLN paid" you would go nuts blaming me for lying and being a conspiracy theorist.
News from now? Sure, there you go:
Audit exposes mega scam in PML-N laptop scheme | Pakistan Today
PMLN Govt's Mega Corruption Scandal in Coal Power Plants Exposed (Dunya news is neutral enough)
Corruption Stories Of PM Nawaz By Mubashe Lukman | Waqat Tv
You won't believe Mubashir luqman, but i'm still putting that in.
I never said Nawaz was stupid. He is very careful in covering his tracks.
Next, the guy who wrote a book.....did you see on the page of the book he ONLY had NSs picture (LOL)? Do you not see how bias it is JUST by reading this sentence?
So whatever is written inside it doesn't matter?
A white guys sitting in the UK or Australia or Dubai or the US.....wants to right about corruption. Guess who he puts on the page.....NS. LOL. Paid much???? Do you think NS has done more corruption than Zardari? Simple answer: HELL NO. The FATHER of corruption in Pakistan in recent times has been Zardari, nothing beats him. I can write a LIST of billions that he put into his accounts, openly and blatantly.
Where did Zardari come in this? Did you see me defending Zardari anywhere? Zardari is a total corrupt piece of garbage who even spent time in jail for his crimes. He is a criminal. Period. Just because someone is worse than Nawaz doesn't mean Nawaz is excused of his own corruption.
Last but not least, this ISN'T about NS. This is about the SYSTEM. This is about a country's progress first. And then at the end, it is about the work that's underway. NS's team has started the work. No matter what you write, you don't have ANYTHING concrete that can disqualify him on corruption charges after 15 months of their work across many billions of dollars worth of projects. SO......if there is no proof, let the current team work instead of disrupting so many projects that are about to complete in the next 12 - 24 months. If you don't let the system work, many billions will be lost based on "hear say" and the country will go back many years.
The AMOUNT of projects that are about to start finishing up in the next 14 to 36 months is ALSO going to be staggering. And the number of employment its going to generate (estimated 25 million jobs).....is going to be staggering too. With a staggering increase in defense spending, military joint ventures being planned, Naval expansion for Gawader outside of the traditional highways to connect to China and Rail system doing the same, then eventually connecting the Central Russian states. And at some point, joining India in the mix for road based trade, producing surplus energy for the first time in 70 years......all this is going to be staggering for the economy. It'll literally jump start Pakistan's future and you can START to see results starting in the next two years.....if the current system continues.
Everytime Nawaz comes, he speaks a lot and does nothing. I lived in Pakistan for long enough to know that. Paper projects don't count.
And considering the amount of loans Nawaz has taken, he should have done a lot better. He hasn't started anything. He will keep saying all this until his term ends, then he'll leave all the debts and stuff for the next government, while the people will continue to suffer . All his real projects always result in nothing. They just vanish.
Military does its joint ventures even under Zardari. It's practically independent from the government, all they need is funding from the government, everything else they do themselves.
Expansion of Gwader and all other China-related cooperation happened even under Zardari. Its good, but not enough.
How do you do all this "staggering work" if you are as poor as Pakistan? You get loans, do projects, create jobs, pay people, collect tax, increase tax base and "pay off" these loans. Once you setup a significant portfolio of these projects (what the current gov't did), then after watching your reforms and progress, investors join in to (China now offering 50 Billion investment and THEN more in soft loans, the US offering assistance in a RANGE of projects, including energy and all, the Middle East investing many billions in Real Estate development), to name a few examples. Why in the WORLD you'd want this economic and financial lifeline that finally made it to Pakistan to disrupt??? Are you guys so blind that two so called "leaders" can turn your thinking process off that you can't see basic stuff and how it helps the entire country and takes the entire nation forward??
No, two leaders don't turn off Pakistanis' thinking process. Decades of living in poverty, listening to lies and false promises (like the ones you are repeating) without getting anything, having no electricity for 18 hours a day, getting beaten by the police, losing loved ones to US drone strikes, all this is what makes people sick of this crap and want change.
Why in the WORLD you'd want this economic and financial lifeline that finally made it to Pakistan to disrupt???
The fact that you're asking this question proves that you don't understand what goes on in Pakistan.
Also, this IS about people who are causing billions of loss at the time of crises from the Coast of Karachi till the Mountains of FATA. If a couple of idiots are too busy attacking Parliaments and TV stations to topple the government, when the entire nation is paralyzed and traumatized with natural disasters and terrorism and associated evacuations, what do you call them? Leaders? Really? I have a whole different term for losers who are NO WHERE to be found for the poor men and women they apparently stand for. I'll keep that "Term" to myself as this is pretty much an anti-democracy forum it seems like.
No, its thousands of people trying to protest against rigging, injustice, murder of 14 people and corruption. Majority of all the economic losses were caused by PMLN trying to block these people. Heck, Azadi March is PMLN's fault. (Ignoring IK's demands for 14 months). Inqilaab march is PMLN's fault (Model town incident and threatening Qadri)
If you are so wise and well informed, just answer this one question: Why didn't PMLN open 4 constituencies on PTI's demand? If there wasn't any corruption, what would've happened by investigating only 4 constituencies? Imran Khan said that if those 4 were opened and he was proven wrong, he would back off and accept defeat. Why didn't PMLN do it? Just WHY? Give me one good reason except that they were scared of their rigging being exposed.
"Anti-Democracy"
Democracy is a flawed system anyways. It isn't meant to work in countries like Pakistan.
Whatever you say, there is no doubt that PMLN had their chances, are corrupt, have recently murdered 14 people, didn't allow an investigation into rigging, rigged the elections, tried to stop Qadri's people from registering an FIR, sealed entire cities to take away the people's right to protest and freedom of movement and lied in Parliament.
You may want Pakistan to have that kind of government but Pakistanis don't.
