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[KRAIT]

Tuuu nahin samjhaaa !
Chall chooor...whose the lady in the avatar ?

Haan yaar. Kya rakha in badi badi baaton main.

Megan Fox in Jennifer's Body.

 

[kobiraaz]

If you study the Quran to analysis the implications given in it without a rigid mind, I hope there you would get proper reasoning and rationality. There are implications of the existence of God in Quran, many questions would pop up in your mind during your study that may lead you to be a believer. You just try to know what do these implications mean and what is behind what. So I would like to say you to give a try on Quran study to think from the other perspective.

I tried to be an atheist, but got no reason to believe in the no existence of God.

Reminds me of a Australian convert, He was studying all the religion... One day He was reading Quran and Became confused... So he closed the Quran and asked For Signs from God if he really exists - like a sound or a bird in the window or Anything.. He waited for some time and nothing happened... He opened Quran again in a random page - the first sentence he saw was -


" “for those of you who ask for signs, have We not shown you enough already? Look around you. Look at the stars, look at the suns, look at the water. These are the signs for the people of knowledge.”


The next thing he did is " ran to the mosque"... lol

 

[timetravel]

God exists.. there is no way that all this universe and we humans and everything just popped out of nothing... even if true why we popped out? because someone created a system where things pop out of nothing.

so that someone is God.

 

[kobiraaz]

God exists.. there is no way that all this universe and we humans and everything just popped out of nothing... even if true why we popped out? because someone created a system where things pop out of nothing.

so that someone is God.

Exactly!! Science, physics can explain everything... but what explains science, who created science?? There is someone who is controlling everything.. Thus everything is going normal.... Where were all these things before Big Bang?? From nothing to Universe??

God exists.. there is no way that all this universe and we humans and everything just popped out of nothing... even if true why we popped out? because someone created a system where things pop out of nothing.

so that someone is God.

Exactly!! Science, physics can explain everything... but what explains science, who created science?? There is someone who is controlling everything.. Thus everything is going normal.... Where were all these things before Big Bang?? From nothing to Universe??

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

Which form? of Brahmins or of Dalits?

Its same like asking which form of Islam ? of Shia's ? or of Sunni's ?

Umm.... Oh! Wait.!!! sorry wrong comparison!!

Its thousands of time's less complicated than that

 

[Vinod2070]

Its same like asking which from of Islam ? of Shia's ? or of Sunni's ?

Umm.... Oh! Wait.!!! sorry wrong comparison!!

Its thousands of time's less complicated then that

Not sure why Kabaili khatuns get into things they have no idea of.

She may worry about whether she belongs to the only one sect that will escape permanent hellfire. Indians don't really care so much for these Afghan kabailis.

 

[Vinod2070]

Factually incorrect.

Historically, Hinduism has been the most vicious, expansionist religion on the planet, after Christianity.

The native tribal religions of South Asia have been all been eradicated by Vedic Hinduism. Even now, isolated tribes in the south preserve the ancestral belief system in the face of constant assault by Hindus. Now, I don't expect you guys to admit any of this, but Tamil and Dravidian nationalists remember very well what used to be indigenous, and what was imposed by the Vedic conquests.

Large numbers of South Asian Hindu converts opted for liberation out of the Vedic caste system, and into Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, as soon as they had the chance.

What are you planning to do to escape the "sect system" that is killing millions of people, just for the crime of being born in the "wrong sect"?

And having to shout "Shia kaffir, Shia kaffir" while they are being shot down after being dragged down from buses?

Also, given that you are so much in favor of people choosing their religion, why do you Muslims kill your own apostates? That has a religious decree, doesn't it?

Why expect a different treatment if you happen to be others' apostates?

Also, this talk of Dharmic faiths v/s Abrahamic faiths is hilarious considering that Buddhism, which once dominated South Asia, was purged from the region by Hindu fanatics and only found refuge in the rest of Asia, away from the clutches of the Brahmanists.

If any Buddhists think the Hindu fundamentalists have found a new love or tolerance for Buddhism, they are in for a shock.

And if anyone thinks the "kattar Mullahs" have any sudden love for Buddhism (a Dharmic religion that suffered the most at the hands of Islamic terror), they are in for a bigger shock.

Just move on. The Dharmic religions have nothing to do with Islamic apologists.

You think the likes of Timur Lame, Gazani, Abdali were gift bearing Santas.

For us, the only question is the magnitude of the return gift, taking care of the centuries of inflation.

And then some.

Something like Inalchuq got when he sent some gifts.

Right now, the return gift is not seriously on anyone's mind. Let's hope it remains that way.

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

^ Long time no see.

Welcome back brother

 

[Vinod2070]

Some people need to realize that they are a different country now and India and Indians have nothing to do with them.

We share nothing with them after the TNT.

They should not try to advise us on what we need to do.

They need to get comfortable under their skin and with their identity. They need to find their destiny in the Ummah.

Trying to be more Indian than the Indians and showing their pathetic insecurities all the time doesn't impress anyone.

 

[Don Jaguar]

mostly are dalits and backward.

Not in Pakistan but in india may be.

 

[jbond197]

The Tamilian culture follows both a blend of vedic and ancient culture and the blending happened right in Tamilnadu when Hindu religion was going through renaissance through Bhakthi movement under 63 nayanars and 12 alvars actively supported by the tamil kings and many of these what is called 75 apostles of Bhakti movement are non-brahmins including non-touchables. The difference is North Indians follow Rama and Krishna while South Indians, especially tamilians follow Shiva and Vishnu along with dieties like Murugan or Subramanya.

The dravidian nationalists opposed casteism and were anti-brahminical mainly for the caste purposes and were anti-hindu as well(while Periyar was against all religions including Islam, the later leaders like Karunanidhi were nothing but hypocrites who would not say a word against Islam or Christianity). They are proud of the tamil language as well.

So if you take the tamilians, even the agnostic ones, many oppose casteism(the reason why the patronymy is practiced in TN though they tend to practice the casteism within their families when it comes to marriage) and love their language but they generally do not differentiate between vedic culture or ancient culture and many would not know the differences. That is the reason one would see a shiva temple or vishnu temple in almost every village and towns and these temples are part and parcel of their culture and the reason Tamilnadu is famous for so many temples.

I agree with your post. But if you see castesism is getting rejected in many part of the country by the younger generations. But anyways today's casteism is not something Vedic that is more Brahamanical which we in North also say was promoted by Brahmans to keep their seats intact. They changed the whole message to remain in power.

Another point about gods then if you travel North then there are different deities of different regions - like Krishna in Gujarat, Mathura. Ganesha in Maharashtra, Vishnu in Kerala, Shiva in Tamil Nadu but then if you look at the real Vedic message then all of them are the different faces of the one god and we worship him in many forms. That being said - Let me tell you one more thing. Visit any temple in North and you will find statues of all the gods and Shiva is one of the majorly worshiped gods in most of the temples i visited. People will be in line to be able to put water/milk on Shivling. A Hindu can be a follower of one form of the god but can never be against another forms of the very same god. That's my take on it.

But anyways, Caste system, worshiping of one god or other, language has nothing to do with Vedas. Vedas never told us to follow the caste system we are following today, worship any particular god, speak any particular language. Vedas imparted the accumulated knowledge of the great saints and left the choice of selection to the followers. They were never forced upon some one unlike many other religions.

So, it's safe to say the talks of Vedic barbarism etc are the fantasies of few and since there are 7 billion mouths on earth you can not stop each and every mouth from spitting $hit.

 

[jbond197]

Not in Pakistan but in india may be.

Take care of Hindus of Pakistan. They are worse off than so called oppressed dalits of India..

 

[Vinod2070]

Take care of Hindus of Pakistan. They are worse off than so called oppressed dalits of India..

Actually now it is the turn of Shia after the Hindu and Christian infidels and the Ahmedis have been mostly dealt with.

 

[jbond197]

Actually now it is the turn of Shia after the Hindu and Christian infidels and the Ahmedis have been mostly dealt with.

So was Pakistan creation only for the Sunni Muslims? They are killing almost everyone on free will with the support from majority in society, administration, army etc.

 

[Sashan]

I agree with your post. But if you see castesism is getting rejected in many part of the country by the younger generations. But anyways today's casteism is not something Vedic that is more Brahamanical which we in North also say was promoted by Brahmans to keep their seats intact. They changed the whole message to remain in power.

Another point about gods then if you travel North then there are different deities of different regions - like Krishna in Gujarat, Mathura. Ganesha in Maharashtra, Vishnu in Kerala, Shiva in Tamil Nadu but then if you look at the real Vedic message then all of them are the different faces of the one god and we worship him in many forms. That being said - Let me tell you one more thing. Visit any temple in North and you will find statues of all the gods and Shiva is one of the majorly worshiped gods in most of the temples i visited. People will be in line to be able to put water/milk on Shivling. A Hindu can be a follower of one form of the god but can never be against another forms of the very same god. That's my take on it.

But anyways, Caste system, worshiping of one god or other, language has nothing to do with Vedas. Vedas never told us to follow the caste system we are following today, worship any particular god, speak any particular language. Vedas imparted the accumulated knowledge of the great saints and left the choice of selection to the followers. They were never forced upon some one unlike many other religions.

So, it's safe to say the talks of Vedic barbarism etc are the fantasies of few and since there are 7 billion mouths on earth you can not stop each and every mouth from spitting $hit.

Bro - I mentioned the blending of vedic culture and ancient culture in tamilnadu started with the renaissance of hindu religion through Bhakti movement - Read between my lines - I said the 75 apostles of Bhakti movement came from different castes including untouchables. So I did not atrribute the spread of casteism in Tamilnadu to vedic culture - it existed even before.


As for Vishnu vs Krishna/Rama - Tamilians recognize Krishna and Rama are both avatars of Vishnu and so there is no ambiguity here except Vishnu and Shiva along with Karthikeya are given prominence - though the Vishnu or the Shiva temples both carried Rama/Sita dieties and Krishna diety as well.