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I am open to spread of your religion however since Hinduism doesnt allow conversions and i understand since it has different classes (low cast/ high cast) you may call these different philosophies but again the question is if someone converts to Hinduism how will you classify him? Dalit or Brahmin?

Conversion is a new phenomenon in Hinduism.Caste system is an ancient one.So I suppose the new converts won't have any caste.

Apart from that can you tell me who can become a Pundit ?

Pandit only means a scholar and a teacher.I ancient India Pandit means the one mastered the four Vedic scriptures, Hindu rituals, Hindu law, religion, music, and/or philosophy under a Guru.
 
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you need to understand that in India Buddhism was never regarded and is still not considered an another different religion itself but just another sect of Hinduism that's the reason we worship lord Buddha as an incarnation of lord vishnu

Not accurate. While Developereo misses the nuances in inter-religious attempts at supremacy within India(taking only into account Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism),, your position while fairly a common one to hold, is equally inaccurate. Hindus don't normally worship the Buddha even if they are respectful and subscribe to the idea of the Buddha being an avatar of Vishnu. The story behind that avatar remains mostly unknown to most Hindus and would make most very uncomfortable if they did know. Religious competition for supremacy was common & though violence was not the norm, there have been plenty of incidents where other religions/beliefs were treated with extreme prejudice.
 
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Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. Atheism doesn't mean having no religion.

One can follow Hinduism, yet not believe in deities. That's the beauty of this religion. Religion doesn't mean existence of God.

Religion is a collection of belief systems, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.

Both definition from Wikipedia.

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BS,Tell me,How did the so called Hindu expansionism happened.Give us one historical account of a Hindu purges.
And you know nothing about Tamils,Their indigenous culture is part of great Vedic civilization of India.Read more about the three royal dynasties—the Cholas, the Cheras and the Pandyas—rose to dominate the ancient Tamil country. The Bhakti movement of Hinduism originated in TamilNadu and spread across all part of India.In fact, TamilNadu is one of the centre of the modern Hinduism.

Give me at least one accurate historical account of this so called Hindu purges on Buddhism.

You are wasting your time.
 
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Conversion is a new phenomenon in Hinduism.Caste system is an ancient one.So I suppose the new converts won't have any caste.

:D so atlast hinduism bowed to conversions.




Pandit only means a scholar and a teacher.I ancient India Pandit means the one mastered the four Vedic scriptures, Hindu rituals, Hindu law, religion, music, and/or philosophy under a Guru.


I know what does pundit mean.

I am asking how do you select a Pundit ? who can become a pundit? does cast matter in it?
 
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:lol: well its like saying being ethiest and still following your religion. Means its cosmatic surgery to look good but inside you are the same.

All Buddhists, all Jains are atheists(technically), does that make them any less Buddhist or Jain? Try not to read other religions with glasses that have been set to read your own.
 
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There is a concept of atheism with in Hinduism. That's why people are called Aastik or Nastik but still they remain Hindus. You being a Islamist, I don't expect you to be aware of Hinduism concepts much so am just gonna blame your ignorance!

A primer for you - Atheism in Hinduism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As others have pointed out, atheism itself is a form of religion (= belief system), albeit without God. Hindu atheists still hold special reverence for the Vedas and other texts, and consider them an essential part of their "Hindu atheist" doctrine.

You are only intellectually dishonest and ignorant here.Tamil nationalists only opposed the supremacy of Sanskrit literature in Hinduism.They demanded Tamil as the equal of Sanskrit in terms of literary prestige as it has been in the past.Some of them even demanded to endow ancient Tamil texts with the status of a "fifth Veda."Tamil culture is inherently Vedic in nature.But they didn't like Brahmins because Brahmins promoted Sanskrit over Tamil and they sought to bring down Brahmin hegemony in society.

Then you don't know the half of it. Dravidian nationalism directly challenges all Vedic influences into indigenous Dravidian culture.

you need to understand that in India Buddhism was never regarded and is still not considered an another different religion itself but just another sect of Hinduism that's the reason we worship lord Buddha as an incarnation of lord vishnu

I am sure moderate Hindus accept Buddhist; that has never been the issue.

The issue here is the hardcore fanatics who will not accept Buddhism any more than their ancestors did millenia ago.

Agreed. So does that allw others. Coz I just asked chronological occurrence of religions.

If outrageous claims are made, then they need to be challenged.

What are the indigenous religions.How were they wiped out.We are open to discussion.

Worship of nature and tribal deities with NO reference to the Vedas. It survives now only in isolated tribes (barely).

how has Sikhism Buddhism or Jainism been wiped out by vedic ideology

Jainism was never big enough to be a threat, so it was tolerated.
Sikhism evolved during the colonial period, so Hinduism didn't have a chance to deal with it.
Buddhism was all but eradicated from India in the ancient past.
 
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I am not going to waste any time on an intellectually dishonest Hindutva fanatic masquerading as an "atheist".

Read up on Dravidian and Tamil nationalist literature, which details the Vedic barbaric assaults on their indigenous culture.

How much of that have you read..lets see your intellectual honesty..
 
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Point me to one as I am interested in reading and may be Tamils on PDF can share their views as well as they must be knowing about their literature more than you or others on PDF..

@Sashan - you are needed on this thread. Please let us know if there were any Vedic barbaric assaults on Tamil indigenous culture as Pakistani Think tank is making some tall claims here on this thread.

Dude I'm a Tamil and he probably could not locate Tamil Nadu on a world map. He just got his knickers in a twist because I mentioned Islam and Christianity for their conversion sprees. Loved the way that got him all riled up. You see, more arab than arab. Comes with the package.
 
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As long as it remains, people will convert out of Hinduism depending on facts on the ground, as opposed to official proclamations.
You are right here. Did i mention otherwise?
I explicitly stated, that due to an exponential rise in education in Independent India and modern cities and work environment and culture, the caste system has weakened in India , discrimination(note: I say discrimination, not caste consciousness) has ended in many places, remaining in many more. However what is constant is that the severity of discrimination -which ranged from untouchability to shudhi- has almost ended barring really backward places - notably UP,Bihar.

And such structural changes of society over generations have a practical effect/result on the ground. These changes, coupled with a rise of and assertion of Dalits in the political class of India coupled with economic upliftment of the masses along has led to a renewed faith and pride in being Hindu. Thus the rise of Hindu Nationalism. Hindu nationalism cannot exist without Dalits.

The mass of conversions that was taking place earlier from Hinduism to Islam in mainland India, and from Hinduism to Budhism in East India, from Hinduism to Christianity in NE India, has almost completely halted.

The claim was that Hinduism does not condone conversions. Historically, that is patently false. Hinduism may have put the brakes on within the last 1000 years, but that behavior was forced onto it since other faiths were ascendant and Hinduism was forced into retreat and relatively confined, geographically.
As religions grow old, they also become more mature and content with increasing the quality of lives and not the numbers. It doesnt necessarily have to do mainly or mostly with ascension of other religions. Same has happened with Hinduism.

Now that the colonial era is over, we see the old face of Hindu nationalism rising out of the ashes, intent on establishing Hinduism as a privileged religion in India, and reconverting "blood of the soil" back to the "faith of the soil".
Your problem is that you do not see how the Indian society has changed over the years, most notably and probably the fastest since after independence. There are no movements to convert Muslims or Christians to Hinduism.

The constitution and the polity of India do not allow any religion to become a privileged religion of India. Rise of Hindu Nationalism does not mean reconversion from other faiths. You see what you want to see.

As i mentioned in my previous post, the fastest growing religion by way of Conversion is..Budhism.

Vedic culture is an import into most of India, especially southern India, just as much as Buddhism or the Abrahamic faiths are.
Incorrect. The vintage of faiths are such that you cannot separate South India from Hinduism.
You can separate Islam in Arabic regions and other nations. Other nations/regions have not contributed much to Islam. So it remains an Arabic religion. South India however has contributed as much to Hinduism.

It doesn't affect me either way. However, as I noted, if any Buddhists think they will be spared the wrath of the Hindutva fanatics because they are a dharmic faith, they are in for a shock. This is not speculation; this is historical fact.
Yes. I know it is a fact that Budhism was forcibly removed from India centuries ago. Your problem in this case is that you assume the Indian society is the same as it was centuries ago. You refuse to see how the Indian society, its structure has changed.
Budhism is considered a subsect/strain of Hinduism today. Indeed there are many who think of Budha as an avatar as mentioned in a previous post. Just as Jainism is a subsect of Hinduism.
Indeed those who convert to Budhism from other religions, move two steps closer to Hinduism than before.

The subject has been discussed several times, and links provided. You can start by googling or otherwise reading up on Dravidian nationalism, identity, etc.
As mentioned in another post, the Dravidian nationalism is to do with language and script, not religion. You are free to read up on it, ask Tamil members on this forum itself.

If you are aware of something else, we would all be more than happy if you post links and evidences.
 
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:D so atlast hinduism bowed to conversions.







I know what does pundit mean.

I am asking how do you select a Pundit ? who can become a pundit? does cast matter in it?

I suppose caste had played a role in that.Back in the days learning Vedas was only a privilege for upper caste(Mostly brahmins).Although this restrictions varied from time to time.So most of the pandits were upper caste people.
 
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Shows a complete lack of understanding of Hinduism, being atheistic need not mean breaking away from Hinduism. Your assumption that the two are incompatible is not necessarily correct(though I'm not sure whether that is applicable to the particular poster you were responding to).

The atheists invariably claim that they are against religion, not just God/gods.

That claim is intellectually dishonest, since they still believe in the Hindu doctrines; hence they subscribe to various core aspects of the Hindu religion.
 
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As others have pointed out, atheism itself is a form of religion (= belief system), albeit without God. Hindu atheists still hold special reverence for the Vedas and other texts, and consider them an essential part of their "Hindu atheist" doctrine.

Labelling all atheists as having a belief system is silly. Atheists subscribing to a religion & those not doing that cannot be equated.
 
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All Buddhists, all Jains are atheists(technically), does that make them any less Buddhist or Jain? Try not to read other religions with glasses that have been set to read your own.

NO religion is entirely different thing and believing in god one way or the other, you may believe in many or consider your ownself your god as such the understanding in budhisim but that does not mean its NOT a religion.

Buhdism is very much a religion and you can not classify it agnostic
 
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