Give & take : After KSA request Pak devising its own wish list

[DESERT FIGHTER]

How churlish! This anti India hate is getting ridiculous!

All is fair in love & war..

I still remember india crying to other countries when it comes to exporting weapons to Pak.. So what's surprising ?

We are not "friends"... We are not "buddies".. We are rivals,enemies..

So it's all fair n square !

GCC must do the honorable thing and make a token commitment to Pakistan's air defenses if a conflict with India breaks out. An added strength of GCC's state of the art air power will tip the airpower balance in Pakistan's favor. A one way relationship can work a few time but not always. Seeking Turkish involvement is also a wise thing to do. There is great synergy between ours and Turkish armed forces.

Do you think USA or others would allow them to do that? The cold war war era has passed .. Welcome to the new world.

The best bet should/would be financial benefits ...

 

[Capt.Popeye]

So, much claims of Indus Valley Civilization, son of soil.
Chanakya was born in Taxila, If Chanakya see diplomacy of Pakistan he would put his head under shame

Hey; don't forget that Chanakya was NOT a Fauji; he was a civilian johnny.
When Statecraft, Diplomacy and control of the country's policy passes into the hands of Faujis, what do you expect?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The only thing that's worthwhile in pakistan at the moment is their army which is spread wafer thin throughout the length and breadth of their country..I hear that they have come up with a new term called civil military leadership (he hee) for their country where the army holds all the reins and the government is as useless as a puppet....the nawaz Sharif government views the army as their saviour who's doing a big favor to them by letting him be in power while the army is effectively running the whole country. .Karachi Balochistan kashmir fata sind etc is practically run by the army. Nawaz is a rubber stamp.


The point is..that the army has given the green signal in general to employ their soldiers for benefits from the Saudis. ..nawaz is quite eager to snd troops too. The present drama of parliament session is to gauge what kind of pay back they can extract from the Saudis and what kind of geopolitical gains they can extract by this.

The actual problem is that they aren't too bright. The near present gains of a few bucks is greater for them than the shit that they will come up their way with in the near future.

How do you indiots come up with all this nonsense?
I stopped reading after "civil military leadership".., do you know how retarded you guys sound ? It's "civil and military leadership".. As in "Civil and Military leadership are on one page as far as military operations against terror are concerned"..

Above your intellectual level I guess... But than again you idiots are free to troll.

Hey; don't forget that Chanakya was NOT a Fauji; he was a civilian johnny.
When Statecraft, Diplomacy and control of the country's policy passes into the hands of Faujis, what do you expect?

So it's the military that wants to go to Yemen ? Amazing analysis ..

 

[Donatello]

I don't understand, why do Indians feel the aches everytime?

 

[lasttry]

I don't understand, why do Indians feel the aches everytime?

You are mistaking contempt for something made up in your head. Where is ache.

Your army is openly acknowledging that they are willing to be paid mercenaries. Indians would only sit and laugh at such a predicament. Please dont insult everyones intelligence by calling it something else.

 

[Donatello]

You are mistaking contempt for something made up in your head. Where is ache.

Your army is openly acknowledging that they are willing to be paid mercenaries. Indians would only sit and laugh at such a predicament. Please dont insult everyones intelligence by calling it something else.

Paid mercenaries? Indian fantasies always are very good to laugh at. Wait, of course, after the Rape, Loot and Plunder policy in Kashmir, It would definitely be Indians who would know about 'Paid Mercenaries'............

 

[lasttry]

Paid mercenaries? Indian fantasies always are very good to laugh at. Wait, of course, after the Rape, Loot and Plunder policy in Kashmir, It would definitely be Indians who would know about 'Paid Mercenaries'............

Of course paid mercenaries. you army goes to fight for another country and they pay you back in oil or dollars or whatever. how is it not paid mercenaries? what self respecting country would do that to its armed forces?

 

[Donatello]

Of course paid mercenaries. you army goes to fight for another country and they pay you back in oil or dollars or whatever. how is it not paid mercenaries? what self respecting country would do that to its armed forces?

It called an 'alliance' something some extremist Indian mindset would never know due to ignorance, because regardless of India's superpower status, no one gives a shyt about them.

 

[lasttry]

It called an 'alliance' something Indians would never know in their pitiful life of ignorance on this planet, because regardless of India's superpower status, no one gives a shyt about them.

Alliance? Sorry my delusional neighbor. You jawans are going to be on the frontline getting killed while your arabs allies hide behind. Dont be so blind.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Paid mercenaries? Indian fantasies always are very good to laugh at. Wait, of course, after the Rape, Loot and Plunder policy in Kashmir, It would definitely be Indians who would know about 'Paid Mercenaries'............

Pakistan is not in position "give & take" policy with Soudi Arab. They are already paying you huge aid of millions dollor. This is the time for you guys to pay back them. You are in a trap. And India doesn't care wether you are in or out because both stuations are in favor of India.

 

[ito]

smart diplomacy... there is no free lunch ...

There is nothing smart here. Any precondition on India will backfire on Pakistan. None of the GCC is going to take sides in India-Pak conflict. Sanctioning India, which is one of their largest oil buyers, is like punishing yourself. India won't take kindly on GCC taking sides. India may look for alternative sources of oil and will support Iran against GCC.

Now by putting preconditions, Pakistan will be seen as unreliable partner by Saudis, and Iran -in any case- started looking Pakistan with suspicion after this whole episode.

Pakistan must put national interest ahead of all else in such grave & strategic matters. If I may offer some talking points for these hyper-critical negotiations with the Saudis:

1. The Saudi are spinning it as if Pakistan has eagerly volunteered to join this Saudi-led campaign. It serves Pakistan better to have the Saudi make a formal request through their foreign minister in Islamabad. Pakistan must NOT appear to be a grunt but a leader in any such endeavor. Nevertheless, if this campaign fails it must not rest at Pakistan's doorstep.
2. As an appreciation of this, GCC can make Pakistan a member country and also a honorary member of Arab League. [sic]
3. It is useful to remember that Egypt has a commitment for 25-45 Billion dollars from GCC as multi-layered investments, cash, and other indirect instruments. Gives Pakistan a sense of scale of things.
4. Pakistan's commitment must NOT be open-ended but defined in time and scope.
5. It is useful to review history of committing land forces to this desolate piece of real estate. The Turks, British, Egyptians and Mesoptamian armies were chewed up by craggy lunarscape that resembles Waziristan. And yes the natives can be just as unwelcoming as the Pashtuns.
6. Pakistan will not just be fighting the Houthis but their Sunni allies as well. So beware of Sunni-on-Sunni dimension.
7. Saudi did not think this through. They currently do not have an endgame in sight. They are hoping Mr. Obama will be compelled to intervene somehow.
8. GCC transfers approx. 60-80 Billion dollars annually as remittances to Indian economy. If GCC were to withhold some of this mega transfer of wealth in deference to Pakistan, can you imagine the effect on Indian policy posture regarding all things Pakistan?
9. Some of those air dropped weapons in Aden look oddly familiar...like those seen at recent Arms Exposition!!!!
10. Iran has just about broken out of the penalty box. She will expect Pakistan to fast track the pipeline. This would be an excellent time to ask Iran and Saudi to make Pakistan competing offers for mega refineries plus 45-90 day crude storage reserve facilities at the Gwadar port. Keeping all options and communications open with the Iranians is advised at this stage.
11. Do confer with Xi when he arrives later this month in Pakistan to formalize that Sino Pak Economic & Energy Corridor (SPEEC).
12. Finally, remember Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund is presently around 870 Billion dollars. If I were the negotiator, my opening bid would be 100-80 Billion. In the end whatever Pakistan earns from this useless quagmire, please invest it in AIIB (New Chinese Bank) as a nested Sovereign Fund. That will be the best investment in the future of Pakistan. Remember to match or better Indian share in this Infrastructure Bank. It is like an invite to Bretton Woods. Such opportunities only come by once in a lifetime; there will be many more Yemens! There is no better investment for Pakistan.

All this for what...10000 Pakistani ground troops? You must be in a different world.

Let me tell...in the end of this whole episode, Pakistan will be the net looser.

It called an 'alliance' something Indians would never know in their pitiful life of ignorance on this planet, because regardless of India's superpower status, no one gives a shyt about them.

India need not be regarded by GCC as superpower. But India is too big in size to be ignored by anyone.

Pakistanis are not actually know for their diplomatic acumen, I can clearly see Pakistan loosing either way.

 

[pakdefender]

I don't understand, why do Indians feel the aches everytime?

That is the intriguing part , why india is getting so much heart aches and butt hurt over this

 

[DRaisinHerald]

I don't understand, why do Indians feel the aches everytime?

Rhetorical question?

 

[A1Kaid]

I do like this diplomacy by the GoP, quid pro quo is best in these types of high stake negotiations. However, the concessions should be much better. I think the article is leaving out a lot of information.

 

[lasttry]

My suggestion is that you should fix a price for each casualty for 10 million dollars. Half of that money should go to the jawans family and the rest maybe the Pak Army.

I am sure the Saudis compensate the families of their fallen soldiers for far more than 10 million each.