Give Pakistan drones to target terrorists: Musharraf

[EjazR]

^^^ That was quite clear from the name

I think he didn't realise that "Zahoorullah" isn't a muslim name lol

 

[HAIDER]

India has far better capability to counter these drones...why afraid ...If FATA militant shotdown drone with gun...then whats Indian problem, they have far better early warning system.
Or India should accept they are buying garbage, which has no application in real war scenario. Just few drones are not going to disturb Indian balance of power. Yes their ambition for nuke subs and Russian high tech planes " yes they do disturbing south asia peace ".

 

[TruthSeeker]

Tamilkhan,

The TTP was not created until December, 2007. Not 3 or 4 years ago. At first there was an agreement or a detente with the PA. This was not abrogated by BM until July, 2008. Hence the drone strikes I listed are timely. The other groups targeted in my list had become allies of BM at the time they were targeted. They weren't separate from the TTP but were part of a broader alliance under the flag of the TTP.

The TTP are not an asset of the USA!

From Baitullah Mehsud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In December 2007, Mehsud was declared the first leader of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan.

In February 2008, Mehsud announced that he had agreed to another ceasefire with the government of Pakistan although the Pakistani military claimed that operations against Mehsud's forces continued. The New York Times, however, reported that anonymous high-level officials in the Pakistani government confirmed the deal. In April Baitullah circulated a pamphlet that ordered his followers not to undertake any attacks inside Pakistan due to ongoing peace talks.

In July 2008, Baitullah issued a statement that threatened to take action against the government if NWFP leaders did not step down within five days. The NWFP parliamentary leaders promptly refused.

In February 2009, senior Taliban leaders Baitullah Mehsud, Hafiz Gul Bahadur and Maulvi Nazir put aside their differences in an effort to refocus against a common enemy. Nazir had previously feuded with Baitullah for his sheltering of Uzbek militants whom Nazir had fought to evict from South Waziristan. As a result of the February agreement, Maulvi Nazir ended support for Qari Zainuddin Mehsud, who the Daily Times described as the "self-appointed successor of ... Abdullah Mehsud."

 

[Hulk]

Well Pakistan as the right to ask, buy for any weapons they want. India has right to use their diplomacy to try stop any such buying. Pakistan will also do the same. By the way I am not sure if these folks Pakistani PM, President etc are serious about their demand. IMO it does not look that USA is going to gift/sell it to Pakistan, the people at PM/President level should know this, so they might be trying to create pressure or addressing local Public.

 

[Fracker]

Fracker,

For some people it takes longer to develop the faculty of critical and rational thinking than for others. Sorry, man.

Stop crying man.. you can't deny the facts i posted.. you had no answer.. Also, i already asked you show me any single attack prior to march 2009.. which you couldn't prove yourself.. so it is clear that.. you are doing arguments just for the sack of arguments.. that's... you don't have backing about your claim..

Lastly i don't know about critical and rational thinking.. but i do have common sense which you are lack of.. but just using critical thinking to satisfy your own ego and win arguments here..

Arguments are already over after my last .. comments here.. http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...tan-drones-target-terrorists-musharraf-4.html

The fact is TTP is an USA asset..

 

[dvk1982]

MKI, FGFA, MCA, LCA, Nuke Subs & God knows what else can be used against Pakistan but Drones cant be used against India because they are a 'threat to regional stability' and using weapons against Pak is justified & acceptable but same don't applies on India thats what u want to say na...
Sometimes i think what have we done to Indians despite of spending 7 times more than us on defence they still feel in secure and even cry when Germany agrees for local production of G-3 in Pakistan, God Bless India

all the above mentioned machines are purchased or developed with the clear intention of using it to defend our borders and nation, be it pakistan, china or xyz....
But the BIG DIfference between MKIs,LCAs,Nuke subs and the drones is that pakistan buys those drones from the USA with the pretext of using them against talibans or god knows whatever u call (other islamic terror organizations which are targetted by USA) but most of the times they are also used or meant to be used against India.... so the end result is same, pretexts differ !!!
By the way, we don't want "god bless india".... God blesses whoever is more prepared...and doesn't under-estimate its adversary....

 

[TaimiKhan]

Tamilkhan,

The TTP was not created until December, 2007. Not 3 or 4 years ago. At first there was an agreement or a detente with the PA. This was not abrogated by BM until July, 2008. Hence the drone strikes I listed are timely. The other groups targeted in my list had become allies of BM at the time they were targeted. They weren't separate from the TTP but were part of a broader alliance under the flag of the TTP.

The TTP are not an asset of the USA!

From Baitullah Mehsud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In December 2007, Mehsud was declared the first leader of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan.

In February 2008, Mehsud announced that he had agreed to another ceasefire with the government of Pakistan although the Pakistani military claimed that operations against Mehsud's forces continued. The New York Times, however, reported that anonymous high-level officials in the Pakistani government confirmed the deal. In April Baitullah circulated a pamphlet that ordered his followers not to undertake any attacks inside Pakistan due to ongoing peace talks.

In July 2008, Baitullah issued a statement that threatened to take action against the government if NWFP leaders did not step down within five days. The NWFP parliamentary leaders promptly refused.

In February 2009, senior Taliban leaders Baitullah Mehsud, Hafiz Gul Bahadur and Maulvi Nazir put aside their differences in an effort to refocus against a common enemy. Nazir had previously feuded with Baitullah for his sheltering of Uzbek militants whom Nazir had fought to evict from South Waziristan. As a result of the February agreement, Maulvi Nazir ended support for Qari Zainuddin Mehsud, who the Daily Times described as the "self-appointed successor of ... Abdullah Mehsud."

Dear, no matter what you say, it doesn't holds ground. As far as refuting your chronology of attacks on TTP, it has clearly been shown that less then 10 attacks have targeted them without any significant loss, except for one. OK then can you tell me why US is letting India play the dirty game from Afghanistan, when US is in control of it ?? How come TTP has more sophisticated weapons & equipment then their so called Afghan Taliban brethren ??

 

[TruthSeeker]

tamikhan and Fracker,

Dears, no matter what you say, it doesn't holds ground.

 

[TaimiKhan]

tamikhan and Fracker,

Dears, no matter what you say, it doesn't holds ground.

Neither does yours Sir , our do hold to some extend as we are here & we know first hand, but you guys sitting in US have just your media, what it feeds you, you people buy it.

Just for an example, US invaded Iraq to find WMD, whole US believed to what the US media fed you & in the end it came out ooopppsss no WMDs, then came the blame on Al Qaedaaa, but ooppppsss Sadam had no links to it too.

So you keep believing your media sir, we will InshAllah face our enemies supported by you.

 

[BATMAN]

they do for surveillance. as using them for strike missions they have no need to. Since they can openly use regular aircraft. they have combat air patrols in the air at all times waiting for targets.

What is restricting US to openly use aircrafts in Afghanistan or Pakistan?
I think answer to the question is not that simple as you described!

 

[Thomas]

What is restricting US to openly use aircrafts in Afghanistan or Pakistan?
I think answer to the question is not that simple as you described!

becuase the agreement with the Pakistani government allows only for drones.

 

[TruthSeeker]

taimihan,

Mine holds ground as I am here & I know very well, but you guys sitting in Pakistan have just your xenophobic media, what it feeds you, you people buy it.

So you keep believing your media sir, we will, InshAllah, defeat our enemies in Afghanistan, even those supported by you.

 

[dvk1982]

Any country will use its weapons to fight any threat, internal or external.

of course, but they aren't ur weapons yet.... and i am arguing when ur mush givesa reasoning that the primary reason for those drones is terrorists when he himself agreed that pak used USA aid in strengthening its defence against india.... USA aid wasn't targetted against india... so obviously we will be concerned....

 

[Developereo]

taimihan,

Mine holds ground as I am here & I know very well, but you guys sitting in Pakistan have just your xenophobic media, what it feeds you, you people buy it.

So you keep believing your media sir, we will, InshAllah, defeat our enemies in Afghanistan, even those supported by you.

The Pakistani side has provided first hand accounts, impeccable chain of logic, and historical evidence to support their claim.

I notice you have not provided a single credible rebuttal to their claims, other than covering your ears and shouting na na na na na.

Watching Fox News 7000 miles away from the action is no substitute for first-hand accounts from soldiers in the field.

of course, but they aren't ur weapons yet.... and i am arguing when ur mush givesa reasoning that the primary reason for those drones is terrorists when he himself agreed that pak used USA aid in strengthening its defence against india.... USA aid wasn't targetted against india... so obviously we will be concerned....

There's an ongoing debate about what Musharraf said and how the Indian media twisted his words. The BBC simply copied the Indian media brief verbatim, which says much about the BBC's credibility.

In any case, once we buy a weapon, it is ours to use. Once the immediate conflict is resolved, the weapons will be used wherever else it is useful.

 

[dvk1982]

There's an ongoing debate about what Musharraf said and how the Indian media twisted his words. The BBC simply copied the Indian media brief verbatim, which says much about the BBC's credibility.

In any case, once we buy a weapon, it is ours to use. Once the immediate conflict is resolved, the weapons will be used wherever else it is useful.

dude, if u don't want to believe just say so.. dont beat around the bush by giving certificates who is authentic and who isn't...
DAWN.COM | World | US should monitor aid to Pakistan: India

tomorrow even if BBC came up with its own story or the ones quoted by Dawn courtesy Reuters... u will blame Reuters- zionists.

sick of arguing when the other party is just hell bent on rubbishing everything others say. Here as simple as a declaration by Pervez Mush can be argued forever !! forget abt covert operations from India in baloch or similar things...