Give Pakistan drones to target terrorists: Musharraf

[PakShaheen79]

Then why does Pakistan need drones. Can't they use regular aircraft?

Do you have any kind of idea how much it cost to keep F-16s or mirages in the air for anti terrorist operations.

Next big fighters can be traced easily by Terrorists observers who can alert their leader to keep a low profile.

Last but not least Drone are quiet and can hit from BVR ranges.

 

[Patriot]

they do for surveillance. as using them for strike missions they have no need to. Since they can openly use regular aircraft. they have combat air patrols in the air at all times waiting for targets.

yes and no.The terrorists usually change their location like after 20-30 minutes to stay away from aerial bombing...besides, the cost of flying predator and f16 is very different.F16 will cost thousands of dollars to keep it in air for several hours like predator..other air crafts such as mirages, f7pg has low range so they cant be used for this.

 

[TaimiKhan]

very intriguing, indeed. Alot of it makes alot of sense. Now if you can please answer a question or two of mine that have came to my mind in light of what you have said. First, what do you think could be the possible reason or reasons behind CIA supporting BM/TTP. There has to something more than just destabilization of Pakistan. Could it be that CIA/America was growing frustraded of Pakistan Army/ISI supporting Afghan Talibans, providing them safe havens in Pak, so to pressurize Pak TTP is given birth and BM it's leader becomes a CIA asset? Second, you said on numerous occassions immaculate information was given by Pakistani intel to CIA about the location of BM but to their surprise not only no action was taken but on one occassion some foreign men were seen leaving the targeted house few minuites later (Indians probably?). Why couldn't the intel be given to PAF with coordinates to take out the target using a fighter Jet? Are there some technical or technological constraints or maybe because ISI wanted CIA to take out BM so to convay a message to TTP and the person succeeding BM that you're all expandable under CIA? Thank you!

Bro, i hope you are a Pakistani, so just like to add, among the foreigners "Gori Chamri" or "Goraa" bhiii in mae shamil hai.

Coming to your 2nd part first, PAF has obtained recently the capability to strike any target within 30-45 mins after getting the order & location to bomb. Now the main question that why doesn't PAF does it. One issue is that the location of any suspect to be taken out or important ones is provided through the human intel on the ground to its handlers i-e ISI guys, and the target house is mostly in a populated area. So to tell PAF guys the exact house would be a time consuming job as how to communicate to PAF the location of the exact house would be a tricky thing, in technical terms. Maps, the marker through which to identify the house for PAF etc etc. One way could be to designate the target with a land based laser designator, but holding a laser designator would be very difficult in a populated area as anyone near the target or house, specially security details of the militant spread around the house can see the spotter. SO this option becomes impractical.

Now the most important of all problem, the house is in a populated area, which means chances of collateral damage would be high. So what you need a very precise weapon which can take out the target house with minimum or no collateral damage. Here comes the weapon of choice, Hellfire Missile, precise & deadly enough to take out the house or few rooms in it. Here the problem with PAF is that the smallest precision guided weapon which they have would be a 250KG laser guided or a JDAM guided bomb. So just imagine what devastation will a 250KG bomb will do, it will take out many surrounding homes with the target home, killing dozens.

And many times the drones are either on the target or nearby, which can be called at a moments notice.

I hope i was brief enough

 

[dvk1982]

yeah .. one simple reason why Indians are concerned is pakistan will use the same drones against India... sinces drones aren't for single time use.. they cud and will be used against india..., which is unacceptable

 

[DaRk WaVe]

yeah .. one simple reason why Indians are concerned is pakistan will use the same drones against India... sinces drones aren't for single time use.. they cud and will be used against india..., which is unacceptable

MKI, FGFA, MCA, LCA, Nuke Subs & God knows what else can be used against Pakistan but Drones cant be used against India because they are a 'threat to regional stability' and using weapons against Pak is justified & acceptable but same don't applies on India thats what u want to say na...
Sometimes i think what have we done to Indians despite of spending 7 times more than us on defence they still feel in secure and even cry when Germany agrees for local production of G-3 in Pakistan, God Bless India

 

[TaimiKhan]

very intriguing, indeed. Alot of it makes alot of sense. Now if you can please answer a question or two of mine that have came to my mind in light of what you have said. First, what do you think could be the possible reason or reasons behind CIA supporting BM/TTP. There has to something more than just destabilization of Pakistan. Could it be that CIA/America was growing frustrated of Pakistan Army/ISI supporting Afghan Talibans, providing them safe havens in Pak, so to pressurize Pak TTP is given birth and BM it's leader becomes a CIA asset?

Bro, if you see history, whenever a country or nation has been conspired to get divided, the best option & way is through civil war.

Going forward, if US had become frustrated with PA in taking out Afghan & Pakistani Taliban, creating TTP to fight PA to get them engage the Afghan Taliban won't have helped, as it would have further engaged the PA with TTP not afghan taliban, which is the case right now, as majority of troops & assets of PA are stationed in SW, having encircled the majority TTP controlled area. If that had been the case US would have damaged the very cause for which they would have created TTP. SO i hope this theory doesn't holds it ground.

Just look at TTPs actions, they have killed innocent civilians, security forces guys, butchered them like animals, targeted any important location they could get their hands on, Marriott Hotel, FIA building, ISI building, Masjids, even they did not spared the Funeral prayers of people killed by them and done suicide bombings in funeral prayers. What do they want by doing such things ??
TTP was not targeted by US drones as they were not a threat for US forces in Afghanistan, do you buy this shiiiitt ?? any person with common sense can answer it with a NO. They get latest weapons, frequency hoping radios (which even PA did not had & bought from US some years ago), they even have communication intercept equipment & can intercept army communications, satellite phones, latest sniper rifles even AMRs have been captured by PA, huge some of money to give to its fighters as salary & bonuses, even NVGs have been recovered from them. Even the Afghan Taliban don't have such stuff, then from which hell are the TTP getting all such equipment ?? If US is not involved in any of this, how can they let Indians run a number of consulates in Afghanistan when they don't have borders with Afghanistan nor they have any trade via Pakistan ?? If they are letting Indians do all this stuff, one way or another it means US is involved. Bro i can go on with all this kind of stuff but i do hope you get the point i am trying to convey.

And as for PA not taking on Afghan Taliban, one reason is strategic purpose, we don't need a hostile nation like US sitting at our borders who everyone knows has a problem with our nukes, no denying that, if someone does, living in a fools paradise. Also, an Afghan Govt which is friendly to all of our enemy states & itself a hostile nation trying always to bring up the durand line problem into play. We have a 600,000 army, India has three times of that, so if there comes a hostile nation on our Afghan side, it would mean deployment of more troops reducing the number of troops facing India, a situation which can be interpreted in many scenarios.

Also, if the US army, with it conventional weapons might & super power status can't tackle the Iraqi or Afghan militants after years of fight costing around 5,000 American life's, and hundreds of other nations soldiers, billions & billions of dollars, what would you expect from the PA ??

We have already lost around 2000 soldiers & equal number of civilians, fighting these hard core fighters, battle hardened with years of guerrilla warfare is not an easy task. PA has now come to an early stage where it has prepared itself to take on these militants, but still its a long road to go & if we do take on these fighters including the Afghan Taliban, do expect thousands of causalities more to come, which neither can Pakistan take nor PA looking at a large hostile neighbor India, which will grab at any opportunity coming their way. Specially at a sign of a weak PA & Pakistan.

Plus Afghan Taliban have already cleared that their fight is not with Pakistan.

So then TTP emergence & its operations so far do raise suspicious eyes to their mission of existence. & so far they have done nothing else other then showing the world that Pakistan a Nuclear state is destabilizing through Civil war and TTP has reached to 100KM of Pakistani capital. So such situation very clearly tells who is behind them & for what purposes.

Hope so did talk with some common sense

 

[TaimiKhan]

yeah .. one simple reason why Indians are concerned is pakistan will use the same drones against India... sinces drones aren't for single time use.. they cud and will be used against india..., which is unacceptable

Sir, drones are very slow in their speed, easily detectable through radar & naked eye, specially drones the size of predators, Indian AF & AD will have no trouble in shooting them down.

We already shot down one of your Israeli drones with a AAM few years back, around Lahore.

So don't get paranoid, India can take well care of these drones.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Lack of drone strike on TTP is not just the only factor making TTP a US asset.

Taimikhan, I looked at the record of drone strikes kept by the Long War Journal. There have been at least 15 drone strikes against Baitullah Mehsud's group/allies since 2008: 12 killed in second US strike in North Waziristan - The Long War Journal

1) 8/25/2009. Hakeemullah and Waliur Rehman Mehsud said that Baitullah died on Sunday night from wounds suffered in the Aug. 5 US Predator strike in South Waziristan.

2) 7/3/2009. The US killed 13 Taliban fighters in a pair of airstrikes in Baitullah Mehsud's territory in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan.

3) 7/10/2009. The US conducted yet another Predator airstrike against Baitullah Mehsud's forces in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency in South Waziristan.

4) 7/17/2009. The US launched another Predator airstrike against the Taliban and al Qaeda in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agencies.
Today's strike took place in the village of Bahadur Kaley in the Garyaum region in North Waziristan, about 20 miles south of the main town of Miramshah.
Earlier this year, Bahadar united with Baitullah Mehsud and South Waziristan Taliban leader Mullah Nazir to form the United Mujahideen Council.

5) 6/23/2009. The US carried out its second Predator airstrike inside South Waziristan today. Unmanned Predator aircraft killed more than 65 Taliban fighters in a follow-on attack near the headquarters for Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud.

6) 6/18/2009. The US conducted two separate airstrikes in Mullah Nazir's territory in the Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan. The strikes mark the second and third attacks in South Waziristan since Jun. 14 after a one-month hiatus in the Predator campaign. The regions where today's strikes took place are run by Mullah Nazir, one of the two top Taliban commanders in South Waziristan. Nazir is a former rival and now ally of Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud.

7) 6/14/2009. For the first time in a month, the US conducted a Predator airstrike inside Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agencies.
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Today’s strike is the twentieth inside Pakistan this year. Twelve of this year's airstrikes have taken place in South Waziristan, four were in North Waziristan, two were in Kurram, one was in Arakzai, and one more was in Jani Khel in Bannu, where al Qaeda is thought to have hosted its Shura Majlis, or executive council.
The region is run by Mullah Nazir, one of two senior Taliban commanders in South Waziristan. Nazir is a former rival and now ally of Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud.

8) 5/9/2009. The US launched a covert airstrike against a Taliban safe house in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan.
A swarm of unmanned Predator attack aircraft fired four missiles at a compound run by Taliban forces loyal to Baituallah Mehsud in the town of Sararogha, a US intelligence official told The Long War Journal.

9) 4/19/2009. The US launched an attack against a terror training camp in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan. The town of Wana is a stronghold of South Waziristan Taliban commander Mullah Nazir, a former rival and now ally of Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud.

10) 3/25/2009. US Predators killed eight terrorists, including "foreigners," in an attack on a Taliban convoy in South Waziristan. The attack took place in Makeen, the hometown of Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, or the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan. Baitullah sheltered in a safe house in Makeen run by Anwar Shah at the end of December 2008 after claiming credit for former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's assassination. Today's strike is the sixth recorded attack against camps and compounds in Baitullah's tribal areas.

Although The New York Times reported that a Predator strike on Feb. 14 was the first such attack against Baitullah Mehsud and signaled an expansion of the air war, the report is incorrect. There were three US strikes in Baitullah's tribal areas between July 2008 and January 2009.

11) 3/1/2009. Unmanned US Predator attack aircraft fired two Hellfire missiles at a Taliban compound in South Waziristan today. The strike was carried out in the village of Hebat Khan in the Sararogha region, Geo News reported. Sararogha is located in the tribal areas controlled by Pakistan leader Baitullah Mehsud.

12) 2/14/2009. The US launched an airstrike inside of Pakistan's tribal areas early Saturday morning, ending a 24-day lull in attacks against Taliban and al Qaeda networks inside Pakistan. An unmanned US Predator strike aircraft fired two missiles into a compound of a Taliban commander based in the town of Malik Khel in the Ladha region of the Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan. Ladha is in the eastern half of South Waziristan in a region controlled by Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud. There were at least two other strikes in Baitullah's territory in South Waziristan during 2007, and another strike this year.

13) 1/2/2009. The US has struck for the second time in two days in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan. Lahda is in the eastern half of South Waziristan in a region controlled by Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud. There were at least two other strikes in Baitullah's territory in South Waziristan during 2008. (14) In mid-June, a strike hit a Taliban safe house in Baitullah's hometown of Makeen. (15) In mid-October, a Predator strike took place in the village of Saam, also in the Ladha region.

The TTP are NOT a USA asset!!!!

 

[TaimiKhan]

Taimikhan, I looked at the record of drone strikes kept by the Long War Journal. There have been at least 15 drone strikes against Baitullah Mehsud's group/allies since 2008: 12 killed in second US strike in North Waziristan - The Long War Journal

1) 8/25/2009. Hakeemullah and Waliur Rehman Mehsud said that Baitullah died on Sunday night from wounds suffered in the Aug. 5 US Predator strike in South Waziristan.

2) 7/3/2009. The US killed 13 Taliban fighters in a pair of airstrikes in Baitullah Mehsud's territory in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan.

3) 7/10/2009. The US conducted yet another Predator airstrike against Baitullah Mehsud's forces in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency in South Waziristan.

4) 7/17/2009. The US launched another Predator airstrike against the Taliban and al Qaeda in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agencies.
Today's strike took place in the village of Bahadur Kaley in the Garyaum region in North Waziristan, about 20 miles south of the main town of Miramshah.
Earlier this year, Bahadar united with Baitullah Mehsud and South Waziristan Taliban leader Mullah Nazir to form the United Mujahideen Council.

5) 6/23/2009. The US carried out its second Predator airstrike inside South Waziristan today. Unmanned Predator aircraft killed more than 65 Taliban fighters in a follow-on attack near the headquarters for Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud.

6) 6/18/2009. The US conducted two separate airstrikes in Mullah Nazir's territory in the Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan. The strikes mark the second and third attacks in South Waziristan since Jun. 14 after a one-month hiatus in the Predator campaign. The regions where today's strikes took place are run by Mullah Nazir, one of the two top Taliban commanders in South Waziristan. Nazir is a former rival and now ally of Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud.

7) 6/14/2009. For the first time in a month, the US conducted a Predator airstrike inside Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agencies.
.
Today’s strike is the twentieth inside Pakistan this year. Twelve of this year's airstrikes have taken place in South Waziristan, four were in North Waziristan, two were in Kurram, one was in Arakzai, and one more was in Jani Khel in Bannu, where al Qaeda is thought to have hosted its Shura Majlis, or executive council.
The region is run by Mullah Nazir, one of two senior Taliban commanders in South Waziristan. Nazir is a former rival and now ally of Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud.

8) 5/9/2009. The US launched a covert airstrike against a Taliban safe house in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan.
A swarm of unmanned Predator attack aircraft fired four missiles at a compound run by Taliban forces loyal to Baituallah Mehsud in the town of Sararogha, a US intelligence official told The Long War Journal.

9) 4/19/2009. The US launched an attack against a terror training camp in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan. The town of Wana is a stronghold of South Waziristan Taliban commander Mullah Nazir, a former rival and now ally of Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud.

10) 3/25/2009. US Predators killed eight terrorists, including "foreigners," in an attack on a Taliban convoy in South Waziristan. The attack took place in Makeen, the hometown of Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, or the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan. Baitullah sheltered in a safe house in Makeen run by Anwar Shah at the end of December 2008 after claiming credit for former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's assassination. Today's strike is the sixth recorded attack against camps and compounds in Baitullah's tribal areas.

Although The New York Times reported that a Predator strike on Feb. 14 was the first such attack against Baitullah Mehsud and signaled an expansion of the air war, the report is incorrect. There were three US strikes in Baitullah's tribal areas between July 2008 and January 2009.

11) 3/1/2009. Unmanned US Predator attack aircraft fired two Hellfire missiles at a Taliban compound in South Waziristan today. The strike was carried out in the village of Hebat Khan in the Sararogha region, Geo News reported. Sararogha is located in the tribal areas controlled by Pakistan leader Baitullah Mehsud.

12) 2/14/2009. The US launched an airstrike inside of Pakistan's tribal areas early Saturday morning, ending a 24-day lull in attacks against Taliban and al Qaeda networks inside Pakistan. An unmanned US Predator strike aircraft fired two missiles into a compound of a Taliban commander based in the town of Malik Khel in the Ladha region of the Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan. Ladha is in the eastern half of South Waziristan in a region controlled by Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud. There were at least two other strikes in Baitullah's territory in South Waziristan during 2007, and another strike this year.

13) 1/2/2009. The US has struck for the second time in two days in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan. Lahda is in the eastern half of South Waziristan in a region controlled by Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud. There were at least two other strikes in Baitullah's territory in South Waziristan during 2008. (14) In mid-June, a strike hit a Taliban safe house in Baitullah's hometown of Makeen. (15) In mid-October, a Predator strike took place in the village of Saam, also in the Ladha region.

The TTP are NOT a USA asset!!!!

All in 2009, why not before that ?? TTP has been there since 3 to 4 years, how come out of nearly 100 strikes since last 4 years, just in last 8 months strikes have happened ??

 

[TaimiKhan]

Taimikhan, I looked at the record of drone strikes kept by the Long War Journal. There have been at least 15 drone strikes against Baitullah Mehsud's group/allies since 2008: 12 killed in second US strike in North Waziristan - The Long War Journal

1) 8/25/2009. Hakeemullah and Waliur Rehman Mehsud said that Baitullah died on Sunday night from wounds suffered in the Aug. 5 US Predator strike in South Waziristan.

2) 7/3/2009. The US killed 13 Taliban fighters in a pair of airstrikes in Baitullah Mehsud's territory in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan.

3) 7/10/2009. The US conducted yet another Predator airstrike against Baitullah Mehsud's forces in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency in South Waziristan.

4) 7/17/2009. The US launched another Predator airstrike against the Taliban and al Qaeda in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agencies.
Today's strike took place in the village of Bahadur Kaley in the Garyaum region in North Waziristan, about 20 miles south of the main town of Miramshah.
Earlier this year, Bahadar united with Baitullah Mehsud and South Waziristan Taliban leader Mullah Nazir to form the United Mujahideen Council.

5) 6/23/2009. The US carried out its second Predator airstrike inside South Waziristan today. Unmanned Predator aircraft killed more than 65 Taliban fighters in a follow-on attack near the headquarters for Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud.

6) 6/18/2009. The US conducted two separate airstrikes in Mullah Nazir's territory in the Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan. The strikes mark the second and third attacks in South Waziristan since Jun. 14 after a one-month hiatus in the Predator campaign. The regions where today's strikes took place are run by Mullah Nazir, one of the two top Taliban commanders in South Waziristan. Nazir is a former rival and now ally of Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud.

7) 6/14/2009. For the first time in a month, the US conducted a Predator airstrike inside Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agencies.
.
Today’s strike is the twentieth inside Pakistan this year. Twelve of this year's airstrikes have taken place in South Waziristan, four were in North Waziristan, two were in Kurram, one was in Arakzai, and one more was in Jani Khel in Bannu, where al Qaeda is thought to have hosted its Shura Majlis, or executive council.
The region is run by Mullah Nazir, one of two senior Taliban commanders in South Waziristan. Nazir is a former rival and now ally of Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud.

8) 5/9/2009. The US launched a covert airstrike against a Taliban safe house in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan.
A swarm of unmanned Predator attack aircraft fired four missiles at a compound run by Taliban forces loyal to Baituallah Mehsud in the town of Sararogha, a US intelligence official told The Long War Journal.

9) 4/19/2009. The US launched an attack against a terror training camp in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan. The town of Wana is a stronghold of South Waziristan Taliban commander Mullah Nazir, a former rival and now ally of Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud.

10) 3/25/2009. US Predators killed eight terrorists, including "foreigners," in an attack on a Taliban convoy in South Waziristan. The attack took place in Makeen, the hometown of Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, or the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan. Baitullah sheltered in a safe house in Makeen run by Anwar Shah at the end of December 2008 after claiming credit for former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's assassination. Today's strike is the sixth recorded attack against camps and compounds in Baitullah's tribal areas.

Although The New York Times reported that a Predator strike on Feb. 14 was the first such attack against Baitullah Mehsud and signaled an expansion of the air war, the report is incorrect. There were three US strikes in Baitullah's tribal areas between July 2008 and January 2009.

11) 3/1/2009. Unmanned US Predator attack aircraft fired two Hellfire missiles at a Taliban compound in South Waziristan today. The strike was carried out in the village of Hebat Khan in the Sararogha region, Geo News reported. Sararogha is located in the tribal areas controlled by Pakistan leader Baitullah Mehsud.

12) 2/14/2009. The US launched an airstrike inside of Pakistan's tribal areas early Saturday morning, ending a 24-day lull in attacks against Taliban and al Qaeda networks inside Pakistan. An unmanned US Predator strike aircraft fired two missiles into a compound of a Taliban commander based in the town of Malik Khel in the Ladha region of the Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan. Ladha is in the eastern half of South Waziristan in a region controlled by Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud. There were at least two other strikes in Baitullah's territory in South Waziristan during 2007, and another strike this year.

13) 1/2/2009. The US has struck for the second time in two days in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan. Lahda is in the eastern half of South Waziristan in a region controlled by Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud. There were at least two other strikes in Baitullah's territory in South Waziristan during 2008. (14) In mid-June, a strike hit a Taliban safe house in Baitullah's hometown of Makeen. (15) In mid-October, a Predator strike took place in the village of Saam, also in the Ladha region.

The TTP are NOT a USA asset!!!!

The highlighted ones are not the ones targeting BM or his men, rather if you read carefully, it mentions the RIVAL commander names. Rivals to BM. The Taliban not part of TTP.

So we are left with around 10 attacks, except for one, in none of the attacks any major militant commander killed, rather mostly these attacks happened in hope to get AQ men, not TTP guys. If US had been serious in taking out TTP, then the freely roaming commanders & other TTP militants would have been killed in huge numbers. These attacks started in 2009, only after pressure from Pakistan & this same image which we are talking about that US is supporting TTP, US started to target TTP just to get some pressure off & negate the image that TTP is sponsored.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Pakistan will never get drones from the US...coz they know it very well that pakistan will misuse them just like other military aid that was given earlier.

You seriously have some attitude problem or i think the section of your mind where thinking or in other words processor is damaged, that's why this is your second post where you talk rubbish without even knowing what you are talking about.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You seriously have some attitude problem or i think the section of your mind where thinking or in other words processor is damaged, that's why this is your second post where you talk rubbish without even knowing what you are talking about.

Indian in disguise - banned.

 

[Spring Onion]

Indian in disguise - banned.

I already reported him sometimes back as he was faking

 

[Patriot]

Yeah he is the same guy who joined here few months ago with username Zahoor Elahi.

 

[inferno]

MKI, FGFA, MCA, LCA, Nuke Subs & God knows what else can be used against Pakistan but Drones cant be used against India because they are a 'threat to regional stability' and using weapons against Pak is justified & acceptable but same don't applies on India thats what u want to say na...
Sometimes i think what have we done to Indians despite of spending 7 times more than us on defence they still feel in secure and even cry when Germany agrees for local production of G-3 in Pakistan, God Bless India

we have more problems with those weapons which are gifted to pakistan.