GIDS KLASS 786 Rifles in service within the army

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

India has been learning since the 50s but they are still one of the biggest importers of weapons in the world. They can hardly stand up a squadron of Tejas or a regiment of Arjun. Don’t reinvent the wheel, if you can buy it.

Their R&D is good, but project management is not great. Pakistan has a penchant for flexible decision-making and out-maneuvering obstacles.

 

[Falcon26]

I was watching a video today how Columbian cartels in South America are hiring engineers from Pakistan to manufacture submersibles/submarines there and transport drugs to USA. There are numerous others examples of our people being ingenious, fixing Saab AWACS for example.

If there's a will to develop a good infantry rifle, there's no reason that we can't make it.

Can you share a link of the video

 

[PanzerKiel]

@PanzerKiel Sir are these clips of trials which are included in this documentary on Sniper School or they are being inducted.

None of the above.

 

[firohot4321]

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@PanzerKiel @Signalian

It's 5.56 or 7.62 ??

 

[PanzerKiel]

It's 5.56 or 7.62 ??

7.62

 

[Bilal.]

7.62

Is it DI or piston?

 

[sparten]

Problem is that we don't find organic R&D, especially for the sake of learning about the tech. E.g., we won't have a serviceable rocket motor for a good AAM or SAM for years, but if we stick with the R&D we'll get there.

In general Pak military doesn't respect the R&D process. E.g., they're still clueless about what India gained with Tejas (i.e. flight control tech, composites, avionics, design and testing, etc), yet fixate on its timelines.

If we had pursued Sabre II on our own, even as an F-7 variant, we too would hit delays and tech issues. Yet we could've learned a lot about aircraft design, integration, building aerostructures and so on. It might never even enter service, but we would've gained much, much more IMO from an R&D PoV versus JF-17.

Imagine how much toxic culture and lack of vision cost us re: our ballistic missiles. IIRC we had a true indigenous project back in the 1980s, and, expectedly, it struggled hard...yet unlike India, we never stuck to it, and we let generals misdirect R&D attention.


@JamD @SQ8 @Falcon26

@JamD

I am sorry, but WTF are you saying. If you give a monkey a typewriter, it’s a mathematical certainty that he will eventually produce the works of William Shakespeare, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.

In the real world, there are deadlines, budgets, resource allocation. At a certain point, yes you have to ask, whether this is a good use of resources, will the lack of a deployable platform be an issue. The Indians learnt a lot from Tejas. Nice. They still don’t have a fully inducted platform yet.
We are bad because we got help from the Chinese? Well, yeah. It’s an area we know nothing about and we do now.

And frankly, the BM example is a poor one. Our initial foray into making them was a disaster. The only reason the Shaheen series eventually succeeded was that we threw obscene amounts of money and time at it. It is not something that can be done for every system.

And while it’s fashionable to pile on “Jernails”, at the end of the day, they aren’t being unreasonable in wanting a system to be inducted before todays 2/Lt are in retirement homes (Like what happens next door).

 

[Steppe Wolff]

Can you share a link of the video

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[Azadkashmir]

We make both and used to make cars but not anymore

bro those are not our design, i think its assembly as well.

 

[Falcon26]

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Thank you. Insane

 

[firohot4321]

7.62

So more power and range

And be using the older ammo stocks for g3

This would also render enemy's body armour useless

Are there any large scale procurement of body armour on Indian side

It's certainly not a priority on Pakistani side

 

[PanzerKiel]

It's certainly not a priority on Pakistani side

On the contrary....

 

[sparten]

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The self loathing and inferiority complex in this thread (and forum) notwithstanding, Pakistan has lots of guys who know to work metal and fibreglass. Add that to a ton of qualified electrical engineers.

 

[farooqbhai007]

According to GIDS limited batch was just handed over to PA for use and like Panzerkiel said its un-official trials. So meaning these won't be sent back and some units are fielding them now.

 

[Trango Towers]

No, because all those are different systems with different requirements for different situations.

A rocket engineer may not know how to fix his own car. A dentist probably doesn't know how to do heart surgery. A piano player may not be able to play the drums....etc.

Yet in dera they can copy anything. In POF they make rifles. You think there are no metallurgist or gun designers in Pakistan? Come on bro ? ?