German Government To Cancel Saudi Tank Deal

[Zarvan]

It isn't a $25 billion tank-deal. The deal was supposed to include Armor Vehicles, Artilleries, Anti-Tank missiles, as well as Propelled Guns with a huge ToT.

So now if no deal is going to take place what is the back up plan of Saudi Arabia ?

 

[waz]

So now if no deal is going to take place what is the back up plan of Saudi Arabia ?

Brother we have just been talking about the back up plan for the last 3 pages......

The Saudis have every back-up available to them.

 

[Zarvan]

Brother we have just been talking about the back up plan for the last 3 pages......

The Saudis have every back-up available to them.

Sorry I didn't bothered to read it

 

[waz]

Sorry I didn't bothered to read it

It's cool. The previous pages are a good read, especially from the Saudi brothers.

 

[Zarvan]

It is mannerism of speaking and has nothing to do with respect or disrespect. Saudi policy has rightly been subservient to its own interests and one of those has been preservation of the monarchy and the state. This has made you a hostage to western policy makers and governments. This is a well known fact. You are trying to survive in a very tough neighbourhood and independence does not come easy. However when it comes to establishment of aviation industry you have to start small and manageable and develop slowly. Whether you would be allowed to do so is another story.
Araz

Sir does Al Khalid II project even exist or not ? @waz @RAMPAGE

 

[Mav3rick]

They would have to hold a competition between Altay and AK2 in order to determine which is better. Also I dont see why they would order lighter tanks if they are not having any problems with the heavy weight ones they operate already. It seems that they are looking to distance themselves from american military tech over the long term so I dont think that they will buy that many more abrams tanks (600-800).

But.....we wouldn't want to embarrass our brothers product.

 

[Hakan]

But.....we wouldn't want to embarrass our brothers product.

That was a good one.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Clears the path to most likely French submarines or US.

The US doesn't sell new major naval vessels to anybody so US submarines are out. Plus all submarines are nuclear so that's definitely not going to happen.

 

[waz]

Sir does Al Khalid II project even exist or not ? @waz @RAMPAGE

Yes it does. It seems like a more powered up version of the original, not a new tank like some believe.

I'd like for the army to go the Altay as well, for a more powerful offensive force consisting of heavy and light tanks.

 

[Falcon29]

I really wanted this deal to go through, it doesn't threaten Israel in any way, so nobody but Israel are allowed to have advanced top of the line battle tanks in our region.

Here is some good news lately....:

Boeing Awarded Contract Modification Saudi F-15SA Training | Military Edge

Boeing Co., McDonnell Douglas Corp., St. Louis. Mo., has been awarded a $9,901,126 undefinitized modification (P0005) to an existing undefinitized contract, FA3002-13-D-0012, with an initial face value of $75,598,874 for Royal Saudi Air Force F-15SA Training. This contract modification provides for an increase to accommodate emerging in-scope activities to include continental United States and outside the continental United States maintenance and aircrew and academic training. Work will be performed at St. Louis, Mo., and King Khalid Air Base, Khamis Mushayt, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and is expected to be completed by Aug. 5, 2019.

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[RAMPAGE]

Sir does Al Khalid II project even exist or not ? @waz @RAMPAGE

We'll know more sure in 2-3 months when MoD releases its year book.

But we constantly upgrade our Tanks so i'm sure that we'll see Al-Khalid upgraded version pretty soon.

Enjoy

JF-17 blk 2 is mentioned but no mention of AK2. so i'd say that if work on AK2 started after 2012 then it'll take a little more time.

http://www.modp.gov.pk/gop/index.ph...vRFAlMjBEYXRhL1llYXJfQm9va18yMDExLTIwMTIucGRm

 

[Hakan]

Mobility you just can't field heavy weight tanks all across in wars specially to arab-african regions, there are tactics as well.

Why not. If they can afford it doesn't hurt to have them and the u.s used them against iraq in the both wars.

I don't think US has any problem with supplying spares and anything holding other technology for KSA's M1s and for any future orders since M1s are the most modern tanks and fulfills the need why would KSA want to switch to another platform and build ground up infrastructure.

KSA is not distancing itself from US military tech since the news of Germans delaying the deal a year already completed...Saudi Arabia ordered some tanks from US and upgrading all in US/Saudi Arabia....

I personally think that they are trying to diversify their inventory. They will still buy alot of gear from the u.s in the future no doubt.

I believe another platform would be chosen whatever that would be.

Thats my point. They are not going to replace their whole tank fleet with non abrams tanks. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Thats my point. They are not going to replace their whole tank fleet with non abrams tanks. It just doesn't make sense.

We shall know the policy of KSA in next few weeks or months since Germany refused. There are all sort of possibilities Altay MBT is not out of question it was purely my thoughts not some official word, air warfare has reached the most sophisticated levels so have ground based system like SP guns and other long range battlefield MLRS, the tank wars are going to be limited I personally believe there should be two types a heavyweight and a light weight tanks relatively faster and equally powerful tanks that has the punch and mobility...KSA can equally benefit from going towards either Joint Projects Altay or AK-2 both can be reliable partners.

 

[Hakan]

We shall know the policy of KSA in next few weeks or months since Germany refused. There are all sort of possibilities Altay MBT is not out of question it was purely my thoughts not some official word, air warfare has reached the most sophisticated levels so had ground based system like SP guns and other long range battlefield MLRS, the tank wars are going to be limited I personally believe there should be two types a heavyweight and a light weight tanks relatively faster and equally powerful tanks that has the punch and mobility...KSA can equally benefit from going towards either Joint Projects Altay or AK-2 both can be reliable partners.

This is the direction I believe armored warfare needs to go. Very Light, fast, alot of fire power, and alot of tactical mobility (air transportation).

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

So now if no deal is going to take place what is the back up plan of Saudi Arabia ?

A hell of options are being put on the table.

The US doesn't sell new major naval vessels to anybody so US submarines are out. Plus all submarines are nuclear so that's definitely not going to happen.

The United States should re-consider its foreign submarines sale procurement policy. Lockheed, General Dynamics can make greater submarines than other current exporters.

I really wanted this deal to go through, it doesn't threaten Israel in any way, so nobody but Israel are allowed to have advanced top of the line battle tanks in our region.

Here is some good news lately....:

Boeing Awarded Contract Modification Saudi F-15SA Training | Military Edge

Boeing Co., McDonnell Douglas Corp., St. Louis. Mo., has been awarded a $9,901,126 undefinitized modification (P0005) to an existing undefinitized contract, FA3002-13-D-0012, with an initial face value of $75,598,874 for Royal Saudi Air Force F-15SA Training. This contract modification provides for an increase to accommodate emerging in-scope activities to include continental United States and outside the continental United States maintenance and aircrew and academic training. Work will be performed at St. Louis, Mo., and King Khalid Air Base, Khamis Mushayt, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and is expected to be completed by Aug. 5, 2019.

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As I stated earlier to you friend. KSA can never accept an equipment that doesn't match her standards. That's a red-line to every single pragmatic states. Our self-defensive doctrine gave us an open access to develop and maintain state-of-the-art equipments.

M1 with KSA are not superior to Leopard or Challenger. Export version of M1 lacks depleted Uranium Armor and Gas turbine Engine. Export version of M1 is Under-Armored and Under-powered version of American M1A2 Abrahms.




Are you planning to change your strategy in favour of Massed Armored charges?

No, this has nothing to do with shifting the strategy of the RSF. I love the Massed Armored Charges part of yours though

These potential options came to light due to the upgrade of the National Guard, from a presidency to a ministry. As such, the SANG is examining wide varieties of options including the procurement of Pakistan equipments.

The recent agreement the Indians and the Saudis have struck - in terms of logistical supplies and all - will also mean that the SANG is expected to examine the option of procuring Indian equipments.