German Chancellor Angela Merkel's historical China map flap

[UKBengali]

i find it amusing that all asian countries hate each other and could never develop something like NATO or EU. Guess thats the reason why we rule the world and play our cards better.

Dude China will grow so big and powerful within the next 10-15 years that many Asian countries will ally with it and the rest will keep quiet.

Once a rich and militarily powerful China rises, then Asia will be a peaceful continent.

 

[Akasa]

That is a big slap.... good gift from Merkel...

When did presenting an outdated map ever become a so called slap? Did your country's politicians become so spineless that any menial act or presentation can be considered a show of force?

 

[Jlaw]

i find it amusing that all asian countries hate each other and could never develop something like NATO or EU. Guess thats the reason why we rule the world and play our cards better.

have you forgotten the French, English, Spanish, Dutch, etc were fighting for supremacy for centuries? Than in the late 19th century, these countries decided to join up and colonized other nations. They put their pride on the side and used racial similiarity as a binding glue for world conquest.

 

[janon]

i find it amusing that all asian countries hate each other and could never develop something like NATO or EU. Guess thats the reason why we rule the world and play our cards better.

India itself is more diverse than EU. Ethnically, culturally, linguistically. If you think it's such a great achievement to have a federation of similar countries, how much more awesome is it for 1.2 billion very diverse people speaking 30+ languages and hundreds of dialects living together as a single country?

As for the NATO - it is mostly the USA's muscle that holds it together, and the contribution of Italy is negligibly small. Besides, we saw just how much NATO could do when Russia took Crimea away. European countries can't do anything militarily, without riding on the coattails of the US military machine. The whole NATO thing is just an excuse for USA to have bases across the world. Without the American military, NATO wouldn't exist. Without any other military, say German or Italian, NATO will still exist.

have you forgotten the French, English, Spanish, Dutch, etc were fighting for supremacy for centuries? Than in the late 19th century, these countries decided to join up and colonized other nations. They put their pride on the side and used racial similiarity as a binding glue for world conquest.

Not really. Until the mid 20th century, they were still killing each other senselessly. How many Europeans killed aech other in WW2? It was only after that event, that they learned to live together in peace. (Which they have done quite well.) Compared to that, India and China have had one border conflict in the past 5000 years or so. Europeans are really in no position to teach us the glories of peace.

 

[Jlaw]

[quote="janon, post: 5483542, member: 37962
Not really. Until the mid 20th century, they were still killing each other senselessly. How many Europeans killed aech other in WW2? It was only after that event, that they learned to live together in peace. (Which they have done quite well.) Compared to that, India and China have had one border conflict in the past 5000 years or so. Europeans are really in no position to teach us the glories of peace.[/quote]

Of course ww1 and ww2, but I was referring more to the colonization days prior to ww1 but nevertheless good point.

 

[Tractor]

All known western attitude toward China,wish they speak mandarin some day.

 

[BoQ77]

@BoQ77 If we discuss a history map of China Han dynasty, the North Vietnam belong to Han China, Right ?

North Vietnam never belong to Han ... go for Korea first, pal !!!

Remember, The PRC was founded on October 1, 1949 while Vietnam was on 2 Sept, 1945.
Actually, China just submitted the map with nine-dashed-line to UN since 2009 ( after 60 years from PRC foundation day ) and so far still not explain its meaning clearly.

No one could acknowledge an old tourism map with some marking by pen, that an unknown guy draw and keep in his own briefcase , no matter when he marked on it.

 

[danger007]

When did presenting an outdated map ever become a so called slap? Did your country's politicians become so spineless that any menial act or presentation can be considered a show of force?

historical maps is always outdated... with another outdated map.. china trying to steel others territories. .

 

[cnleio]

North Vietnam never belong to Han ... go for Korea first, pal !!!

Han dynasty

The Han also expanded southward. The naval conquest of Nanyue in 111 BC expanded the Han realm into what are now modern Guangdong, Guangxi, and northern Vietnam.

TheTrưng Sisters of Vietnam rebelled against Han in AD 40. Their rebellion was crushed by Han general Ma Yuan(d. AD 49) in a campaign from AD 42–43.

First Chinese domination of Vietnam

The first Chinese domination is an early historical period in Vietnamese history, during which Vietnam was under Chinese rule from the north.[1] It is the first of four periods of Chinese domination of Vietnam, the first three of which are almost continuous and referred to as Bắc thuộc ("Northern domination").

In 111 BC the Han Dynasty of China conquered the Nanyue kingdom during its expansion southward and incorporated what is now northern Vietnam, together with much of modern Guangdong and Guangxi, into the expanding Han empire. Vietnamese resistance to Han rule culminated in the rebellion of the Trưng sisters, who expelled the Han in 39 AD and briefly ruled Vietnam until being defeated by the returning Han army in 43 AD.

Your Vietnamese words created by French, but before Vietnam become a French Indochina colony Vietnamese official language is Chinese HanZi. That's why u can't understand Vietnam history.

 

[BoQ77]

Han dynasty




First Chinese domination of Vietnam




Your Vietnamese words created by French, but before Vietnam become a French Indochina colony Vietnamese official language is Chinese HanZi. That's why u can't understand Vietnam history.

So what you could refer to this map ? can define ?

 

[cnleio]

Don't support us to claim for Cambodia, Cnleio !!!

last time Vietnam did, then ...

So what you could refer to this map ? can define ?

U'd better to learn WWII history again, who's the winner.

 

[BoQ77]

cnleio : do you think Chinese pupils should learn more on outside history books ?
I heard that, in China history book used for teaching pupils, they told that some territories belong to China for thousand years while it's not true ...
Few weeks ago, a guy even said that China occupied SCS 2 thousand years ago ... Sorry 2 thousand years ago, even Hainan is a very strange place to China Emperor.

And an Emperor ever send his men to China East Sea ( maybe nowaday Japan ) for finding the immortal recipient created by fairy ...

 

[Tractor]

historical maps is always outdated... with another outdated map.. china trying to steel others territories. .

No,we just request our own territories occupied by aliens with our current maps.

cnleio : do you think Chinese pupils should learn more on outside history books ?
I heard that, in China history book used for teaching pupils, they told that some territories belong to China for thousand years while it's not true ...
Few weeks ago, a guy even said that China occupied SCS 2 thousand years ago ... Sorry 2 thousand years ago, even Hainan is a very strange place to China Emperor.

And an Emperor ever send his men to China East Sea ( maybe nowaday Japan ) for finding the immortal recipient created by fairy ...

History no use stop talking about it.

 

[BoQ77]

No,we just request our own territories occupied by aliens with our current maps.


History no use stop talking about it.

The fact that, Germany ever linked with Japan, and now they gifted you the map without Senkaku islands as historic evidence of China.

I guess what they mean is let's act as international law for any dispute, not the ancient historic fake evidence

 

[TheTruth]

i find it amusing that all asian countries hate each other and could never develop something like NATO or EU. Guess thats the reason why we rule the world and play our cards better.

Asia is 6 times bigger than Europe. China and almost all of its neighbors get along, except for the ones that are somehow involved with disputes with all of their other neighbors.

China gets along just fine with Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, all the Stans, Mongolia, South Korea, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and countless others. Sounds like you're wet dreaming.

You rule no part of East Asia, nor any parts of Southeast Asia with Chinese economic defenders.