German Air Force shows it can be in Asia in a day

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Germany fought America twice, in WW1 and WW2. China never had beef with Germany.

 

[etylo]

You mean from 1945 to 1949? During the civil war,different sides had different parts.

long period long before 1945.

 

[MH.Yang]

You mean from 1945 to 1949? During the civil war,different sides had different parts.

Chinese Soviet Republic - Wikipedia

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[Foinikas]

Even before that, gosh, you talked about China so much before don't even know this ABC basic knowledge of this country?

Do you give commands to Taiwan? Do they take orders from you? Do they have the same political system and government as you? Do they have their own army? No. So? They are independent. How difficult is that to understand?

 

[beijingwalker]

Do you give commands to Taiwan? Do they take orders from you? Do they have the same political system and government as you? Do they have their own army? No. So? They are independent. How difficult is that to understand?

Communists didn't take orders from KMT ( ruling part of ROC back then) , they followed different political system, they had their own army, so commnists had a country before PRC in 1949？ How come communists they themselves didn't know? they suddenly got a country just because you said so?

 

[aviator_fan]

Germany has a declining aging population which is not fit for war. Let's see how Eurofighter handles J-20 first then we'll draw some conclusions.

China and Germany both have declining populations because fertility rate is less than 2.1 (its between 1 and 2 for both). J20 is not a reproductive machine that will get the country's women to multiply.

Root causes are different: China because of 1-child policy that while ended, set a mental mindset. Germany because of prosperity (all of EU has a declining population) and is indicative of other rich economies (Korea/Japan).

Where there is a difference: Germany can compensate by increasing immigration as their are enough people from other part of the world that want to move to EU. China the baseline numbers are too large for immigration to ever work, if ever anybody wanted to move to China.

And finally, beyond the imbalance, there is a male/female parity issue in the sex ratio: 113 boys for every girls. There are tens of millions more men than women than men also an unintentional side effect of the single child policy.

Xi's Government is focused on the implications of this, so you should look this up before making random claims.

 

[Foinikas]

Communists didn't take orders from KMT, they followed different political system, they had their own army, so commnists had a country before PRC in 1949？ How come they themselves didn't know? they suddenly got a country just because you said so?

If they held the territory for many years,it was de facto independent. Wasn't North Vietnam a different entity? Aren't South Korea and North Korea different countries?

 

[MH.Yang]

Do you give commands to Taiwan? Do they take orders from you? Do they have the same political system and government as you? Do they have their own army? No. So? They are independent. How difficult is that to understand?

How do you consider the relations between East Germany and West Germany, North Korea and South Korea?

The relationship between China and Taiwan is closer, similar to the relationship between the Ukrainian and Donetsk.

 

[beijingwalker]

If they held the territory for many years,it was de facto independent. Wasn't North Vietnam a different entity? Aren't South Korea and North Korea different countries?

But the whole world doesn't see it this way, the world politics is decided by you, neither is Chinese domestic politics.

 

[Foinikas]

How do you consider the relations between East Germany and West Germany, North Korea and South Korea?

The relationship between China and Taiwan is closer, similar to the relationship between the Ukrainian and Donetsk.

East Germany and West Germany were two different countries. Germany was split into communist and non-communist.

But the whole world doesn't see it this way, the world politics is decided by you, neither is Chinese domestic politics.

It's not a Chinese domestic matter. Taiwan is a seperate country. It's not ruled by you. It doesn't want to be ruled you.

 

[beijingwalker]

East Germany and West Germany were two different countries. Germany was split into communist and non-communist.

Now they are one, because they are both Germany, so will be China, PRC and ROC will be reunite eventually, you should know if you are here in PDF long enough that I don't care who takes over who, PRC or ROC, I have no allegiance to eithe CCP or KMT, my only allegiance is to China. as long as they are both China and eventually reunite, I m cool and happy.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Now they are one, because they are both Germany, so will be China, PRC and ROC will be reunite eventually, you should know if you are here in PDF long enough that I don't care who takes over who, PRC or ROC, I have no allegiance to eithe CCP or KMT, my only allegiance is to China. as long as they are both China and eventually reunite, I m cool and happy.

Germany still has to be take Austria, Luxembourg to unify all German speaking countries.

 

[beijingwalker]

Germany still has to be take Austria, Luxembourg to unify all German speaking countries.

But they were never one country, ROC and PRC are both " China" , like China wont' take over Singapore just because they are ethnic Chinese.

 

[AZMwi]

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Taiwan issue serves as a wake-up call to European powers

A Eurofighter, painted with the flags of Australia, Singapore, Japan and South Korea, refuels with the help of an Airbus A330. © Bundeswehr
SHOGO AKAGAWA, Editor-in-Chief for Europe, Middle East and AfricaAugust 16, 2022 21:27 JST

LONDON -- The German Air Force has begun an exercise named Rapid Pacific 2022, sending a fleet of aircraft to the far lands of Asia.

Six Eurofighter jets, four A400M multirole aircraft and three A330 multirole tanker transport planes on Monday took off from Neuburg Air Base, en route to Singapore. The goal was to reach the city-state within 24 hours, which it did, to show that the German Air Force can be in the heart of the Indo-Pacific in a day.
From there, the fleet will head to Australia, South Korea and Japan.

Fittingly, one Eurofighter was painted with the flags of Germany and the countries the fleet is visiting, to show unity with Germany's Indo-Pacific partners.

Why is the Bundeswehr (German Armed Forces) deploying aircraft to the Indo-Pacific for the first time in the post-World War II era?

"We want to show that we stand for multilateralism and the rules-based international order, together with our security partners," a Ministry of Defense spokesperson told Nikkei.

Clearly, China is in mind. Following the deployment of a frigate to East Asia in 2021, this is another political message from Berlin.

The specially foiled Eurofighter "Air Ambassador" takes off from Neuburg Air Base to join the Rapid Pacific 2022 exercise. © Bundeswehr

It marks a stark change of direction for Germany. The shift was led by the Social Democratic Party (SPD), the champion of pacifism and the new eastern policy, which sought reconciliation with the Communist bloc.

Berlin has learned the harsh lesson of going too deep with authoritarian states. For the half-century since the 1970s, Germany relied on Russia for energy. Those ties are now proving difficult to sever.

In an interview with Nikkei, SDP heavyweight Michael Muller, a former mayor of Berlin, emphasized, "We must ensure that we do not get into new dependencies with China. This is the lesson from the current Russia-Ukraine crisis."

As Germany, which for years pursued a China-heavy Asia policy, distances itself from China, other European countries are accelerating the shift even faster. Sen. Andre Gattolin of France noted that while Russia is the immediate concern, China poses the bigger long-term threat.
Driven by this trend, Europe, which long had been disinterested in the issue of Taiwan, is now ready to side with the U.S. on the contentious topic.

When China reacted angrily to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's stop in Taiwan and began live-fire drills surrounding the island, Josep Borrell, the EU's foreign policy chief, said the response could not be justified. The French Foreign Ministry also pressed China to respect order.

Faced with the real threat of Russia, European powers have rediscovered the value of the Transatlantic alliance with the U.S. The U.S. has Europe's back when it comes to Russia. Therefore, if the U.S. is confronting China, Europe should back the U.S. too, recent thinking goes. A new determination is rising in Europe.

China's strategy to counter this trend seems to be to propose bilateral talks with individual European countries. Splitting the democratic camp has always been a big part of the authoritarian playbook. Europe, so far, has been swaying and avoiding the punches.
Taiwan sees an opportunity to make inroads. In May, Economic Vice Minister Chen Chern-chyi visited Lithuania for the first vice-ministerial meeting between the two economies and held a business roundtable.

Workers add finishing touches at the paint shop at BMW's plant in Shenyang, China. German manufacturers have massive operations in the country. © BMW

But for the European economy, distancing itself from China is far more complicated than doing so with Russia. European leaders will keep an eye on the quinquennial Chinese Communist Party national congress this autumn, hoping that a more flexible leadership emerges in Beijing. Until then, the plan is to uphold the "One China" policy.

Liz Truss, the British Foreign Secretary running for prime minister, is a known China hawk. Yet, she has declared that she has no intention of visiting Taiwan as prime minister.

In Germany, some pro-Taiwan lawmakers are planning a bipartisan trip to Taiwan.
East Asia has traditionally not been an area of interest for Europe. The lack of experience will inevitably force policymakers to stumble as they try to formulate a China strategy.

Japan and the democracies of Asia find themselves with a golden opportunity to lend a hand to Europe in this endeavor and deepen ties.

German Air Force shows it can be in Asia in a day

Taiwan issue serves as a wake-up call to European powers

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u mean EUROPEAN COLONIZERS right?

 

[Foinikas]

Now they are one, because they are both Germany, so will be China, PRC and ROC will be reunite eventually, you should know if you are here in PDF long enough that I don't care who takes over who, PRC or ROC, I have no allegiance to eithe CCP or KMT, my only allegiance is to China. as long as they are both China and eventually reunite, I m cool and happy.

Maybe they will reunite,but I hope peacefully.

Why not Germany fight for freedom of Scotland and Catalan before talking about Taiwan. EU are good in selective stance rather than real freedom and righteous.

Because they're not fucking independent and they had referandums to stay or leave in the UK or Spain.

Taiwan on the other hand,has been an independent country for more than 70 years. And they do not want to unite with the PRC.