Featured General Qamar Javed Bajwa to visit Saudi Arabia next week

[Yasser76]

There is a game of tooing and froing being played. It is a situation of who negotiates better. Provided the negotiator does not sell himself in the process it should be in Pak favour.
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A financially powerful Pakistan, with independent foreign policy, nuclear weapons and a powerful armed forces in alliance with Turkey will spell the end of Saudi leadership of the Islamic world, more so as global dependency on oil slowly decreases. Saudis may well realise.

If you take say the F-16 out of the equation Pakistan Armed forces will be almost immune to any US sanctions soon. You hold a months worth of US contractors and spare to Saudi the entire defence infrastructure will fall apart overnight. Again, Saudi Royals know this as does US.

Despite billions Saudis cannot even fully service F-15s that they have been using for 40 years. If I were to tell you Saudi population is 34 million and Pak population is 220 million yet they have more active Covid cases it tells you something about that country.

What ties Pakistan's hands is not just the cash/oil in the short term. You speak to any Pakistani Army Jawan or man on the street and they see Saudi Arabia as Pakistans ally (rightfully so most of the time) and a duty of Pakistan to protect the Holy Places. In fact this is almost ingrained in the army (less so in Air Force and Navy for some reason). COAS has to take this into account, just like we take sensitivities of our Shia population into account when dealing with Iran I can assure you there are many in Pak Army from Lt General to Lance Naik, who would see dumping Saudi as a betrayal of one of the very core tenants of Pakistan Army. I personally do not agree but Bajwa will be forced to think of this, not just geopolitics and economics when he visits The House of Saud. It would also be naive to assume Saudis do not know this either

 

[Yasser76]

Seems like Bajwa is going be a SELLOUT.

I tell you what lets make a deal. You spend 42 years of your life for Pakistan in uniform, serve in Siachin and in Congo under UN, gain some of the highest medals in Pakistan, Jordan and Turkey, than, maybe, just maybe, you can call him a "sellout".....

 

[HAIDER]

General Qamar Javed Bajwa to visit Saudi Arabia next week
ISLAMABAD: Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa will be visiting Saudi Arabia next week to have in-depth and extensive discussion with the Royal leadership including Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman about the subjects of mutual interest of the two countries.

The visit will have conspicuous significance in the backdrop of the developments in the region. Ambassador of Saudi Arabia for Pakistan Admiral Nawaf Saeed Al-Malkiy visited the COAS on Monday and had discussion about the subjects of mutual interest of brotherly countries. It has been officially stated that the matters of mutual interest, regional security situation and bilateral defence relations between the two brotherly countries were discussed during the meeting.

In the meanwhile diplomatic sources told The News that General Qamar Bajwa who is widely respected in Saudi Arabia will have discussion about the developments in Afghanistan while he will also brief his hosts about the situation prevailing in Indian Occupied Kashmir (IOK) especially annexation of the disputed area more than one years ago and unleashing indescribable brutalities towards them.

General Bajwa will also perform Umra during his stay in the Kingdom and the sources have hinted that he would also have a meeting with Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Salman bin Abdul Aziz.

The diplomatic sources are hopeful that recently cropped misunderstanding between the two strategic partners on account of some assertions would be subsided as the result of the upcoming visit of General Bajwa to Saudi Arabia.

The sources said that the General also had brief discussion with Ambassador Admiral Nawaf Saeed Al-Malikiy about his plan to visit the Kingdom in few days.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/699062-general-qamar-javed-bajwa-to-visit-saudi-arabia-next-week

Wish on visit Gen advice King , talk to democratic govt of Pakistan about your issues.

 

[Aspen]

I sincerely hope this is not an apology from Bajwa.

But I'm afraid an apology is exactly what this is.

 

[HAIDER]

It was really surprising that Qureshi openly threatened Saudi Arabia and OIC! This will have consequences. Instead of talking to Saudi Arabia, he made an open statement! What was he thinking?

I am sure the meeting so urgently convened is regarding this issue itself

Every muslim country said something about Pakistan Kashmir policy but these GCC are totally silent. Obviously, it pizzed off Pakistan ..

 

[Aspen]

Or SMQ will disappear and a few billions are added to reserves.

So I am not the only one that has heard this also

 

[Aspen]

What's Saudi Arabia's red line?

$400 billion deal between Iran and China which could not have been possible without Pakistani involvement

 

[ARMalik]

So predictable ...... Such a terrible example of running to SA everytime these Saudis have a hissy fit. Pakistan people do not deserve such humiliation of their so called powerful military leaders running to SA like this. This needs to STOP.

 

[Longhorn]

A financially powerful Pakistan, with independent foreign policy, nuclear weapons and a powerful armed forces in alliance with Turkey will spell the end of Saudi leadership of the Islamic world, more so as global dependency on oil slowly decreases. Saudis may well realise.

If you take say the F-16 out of the equation Pakistan Armed forces will be almost immune to any US sanctions soon. You hold a months worth of US contractors and spare to Saudi the entire defence infrastructure will fall apart overnight. Again, Saudi Royals know this as does US.

Despite billions Saudis cannot even fully service F-15s that they have been using for 40 years. If I were to tell you Saudi population is 34 million and Pak population is 220 million yet they have more active Covid cases it tells you something about that country.

What ties Pakistan's hands is not just the cash/oil in the short term. You speak to any Pakistani Army Jawan or man on the street and they see Saudi Arabia as Pakistans ally (rightfully so most of the time) and a duty of Pakistan to protect the Holy Places. In fact this is almost ingrained in the army (less so in Air Force and Navy for some reason). COAS has to take this into account, just like we take sensitivities of our Shia population into account when dealing with Iran I can assure you there are many in Pak Army from Lt General to Lance Naik, who would see dumping Saudi as a betrayal of one of the very core tenants of Pakistan Army. I personally do not agree but Bajwa will be forced to think of this, not just geopolitics and economics when he visits The House of Saud. It would also be naive to assume Saudis do not know this either

People need to divorce Makkah and Madinah from the Saudi Royal family and Saudi Arabia.
We cannot be expected to take dictation from the Saudis on every matter of import.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

I tell you what lets make a deal. You spend 42 years of your life for Pakistan in uniform, serve in Siachin and in Congo under UN, gain some of the highest medals in Pakistan, Jordan and Turkey, than, maybe, just maybe, you can call him a "sellout".....

Pardon me if your name is Bajwa, nothing personal, I was just concerned about our military head oh sorry the actual head of the country's next move. His visit to KSA will definitely be ringing the bells for our newly adopted foreign policy regarding the Kashmir issue. Well, it is yet to be seen what will come out of the meeting, but again it won't be available for the general public. I too hope that he doesn't sell out, but the chances are very high.

 

[Aspen]

This visit seem like a last ditch effort to stop Pakistan from leaving Saudis for good. They might put some sort of financial goods to lure him to stop this from happening. Saudis are known for throwing cash whenever they want their demands meet.
My guess is SMQ statement about Saudia must have backing from the army. So nothing to worry about. My guess is without support of Armed forces SMQ would never have given such statement. He is a seasoned politician and he knows this might get him into trouble.

Basically it comes down to:

Which does Pakistan want more?

1. Saudi-Pak relationship
2. Kashmir

Saudis thought they were acting smart by making Pakistan pick between them and Kashmir under the assumption that Pakistan will ignore Kashmir to keep Saudi relationship strong. However this is a wrong assumption that Saudis are now understanding effects of, Kashmir is the one thing that is even more important to Pakistan and they are willing to break Saudi relationship over Kashmir which probably surprised Saudis and caught them off guard. Hence Pakistan's relationship with Iran and Turkey will continue to get stronger as Saudi relationship weakens.

2 factors will accelerate Pakistan-Iran-Turkey and weaken Pakistan-Saudi

1. Stronger economy will reduce financial dependence on Saudis
2. Increased foreign policy independence like Iran and Turkey
3. Pakistan-Iran-Turkey will strengthen as all 3 support Kashmir

Pakistan will be willing to take more bold and forceful action in Kashmir as it gains ability, will, and credibility to act against Saudi interests when they conflict against Pakistani interests due to new economic independence.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

So predictable ...... Such a terrible example of running to SA everytime these Saudis have a hissy fit. Pakistan people do not deserve such humiliation of their so called powerful military leaders running to SA like this. This needs to STOP.

Money Talks bro.

 

[Aspen]

People need to divorce Makkah and Madinah from the Saudi Royal family and Saudi Arabia.
We cannot be expected to take dictation from the Saudis on every matter of import.

Iran was actually the first country to say that Makkah and Madina should be an independent territory to avoid political influence and they are right, that is how it should have been.

It seems like an unrealistic idea but it really isn't. If just Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, and Malaysia alone supported this idea without actually doing it, it would severely undermine the credentials of Saudi leadership in the Muslim world.

 

[araz]

Seems like Bajwa is going be a SELLOUT.

That remains to be seen. So far we have seen nothing to suggest that. Ithink there is a path of moderation and Bajwa will walk it. But the interesting thing is this has been instigated after a lot of thought and planning and Inshaa Allah something good will come out of it. Saudis cannot let Pakistan go just like Pakistan wont let Saudis down.

 

[araz]

Pardon me if your name is Bajwa, nothing personal, I was just concerned about our military head oh sorry the actual head of the country's next move. His visit to KSA will definitely be ringing the bells for our newly adopted foreign policy regarding the Kashmir issue. Well, it is yet to be seen what will come out of the meeting, but again it won't be available for the general public. I too hope that he doesn't sell out, but the chances are very high.

So put yourself in his boots and lets hear what you will do. It is easier to criticize but reality has a price that needs to be paid.
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