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General Chuck Yeager and the Pakistan Air Force

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74 ummmmm...!!!

DONT ALL OF YOU THINK ACTUAL FIGURE WOULD BE CLOSE TO 100 ??? lolx...!

unlikely. bharatrakshak always guns for the truth no matter how bad it is. this is basically what gives its members a 'know it all' and 'holier than thou' attitude
 
Are we talking about 65 or 71?

This was certainly true of 71, not so true of 65.

Bullz eye on both instances SaarJi!! IAF flew more sorties in both WAR just like RAF flew more sorties than Germans so they got more casualty than Germans. In 65 electronic reconnaissance and CAS were not present unlike in 71. :agree:
 
unlikely. bharatrakshak always guns for the truth no matter how bad it is. this is basically what gives its members a 'know it all' and 'holier than thou' attitude

They are schmucks. But Jagan is accurate to the fourth decimal.
 
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A simple browse through the chart highlights several errors and scandalous figures.

Vampires were withdrawn from IAF service after the initial dogfight between the two air forces in 1965, here one loss is shown for 1971. Showing the loss of just one SU-7 in Eastern Sector takes the biscuit for God knows how many were filmed going down in flames from the roof of Dacca Continental by foreign correspondents. Five out of Twelve Hunters are shown to have been lost in accidents and in the West only one Gnat is shown to have been lost in combat.??? how pathetic can it get. !!
 
Bullz eye on both instances SaarJi!! IAF flew more sorties in both WAR just like RAF flew more sorties than Germans so they got more casualty than Germans. In 65 electronic reconnaissance and CAS were not present unlike in 71. :agree:

You keep repeating the sortie effort mounted by the IAF......IN 1971, by conservative estimates, the IAF had over 1000 aircraft, compared to some 260 for the PAF. In the Western theatre the IAF claimed over 4000 sorties between 4-17 December compared to just under 3000 for the PAF. It's no rocket science to conclude that an air force possessing four times the quantity, did only marginally better in the sortie rate.
 
Perhaps this embarrassingly false account simply added to the PAF's lack of credibility, fueled in the past by ridiculous claims. Pakistani sources even needed to fabricate the IAF's strength in order to once again portray a David-vs-Goliath struggle. For example, a prominent PAF author [37], claims that the IAF had no less than 1200 combat aircraft alone, against the IAF's actual strength of 625 combat aircraft. Another author, a retired Pakistani Brigadier, claims [38] that the IAF was in fact, in possession of, MiG-23s and MiG-19s, as early as 1965.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...eager-pakistan-air-force-3.html#ixzz23WAKuEvi

After getting beaten fair and square, the game is reduced to the "David vs. Goliath" thing.

Then one can claim that mere survival is a great achievement.

Against an adversary that doesn't give a damn. It just kicks your butt and then back to minding its own business. ;)

1965, the same story, first start attacks in Kashmir, get beaten back and then claim a glorious victory against 10 times bigger adversary.

1971, lose more than half the country and claim victory in the "air war" based on dubious claims! ;)

Repeat telecast.

Once it was known that the Indian Army was knocking at the gates of Dhaka, the PAF in the West virtually gave up flying. During the last few days of the war, the IAF brass ordered attacks on PAF airfields with the sole purpose of drawing out their aircraft. But that rarely succeeded as the PAF aircraft for the most part remained secured inside their pens, refusing to come out and fight. The strongest indictment of the Pakistani Air Force was made not by an Indian but by the Pakistani leader, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who took over from General Yahya Yahya Khan after the 1971 defeat. On taking over, he made a speech in which he castigated the PAF chief Air Marshal Rahim Khan and several other officers by name.

A better analysis of effectiveness of the two air forces is provided by the losses per sortie figure. The IAF flew at least double the number of combat sorties per day than the PAF, thereby exposing itself to ground fire and enemy interdiction. Despite this, the IAF's attrition rate of 0.86 per 100 sorties during the 1971 War compares favourably with the Israeli rate of 1.1 in the Yom Kippur War. The PAF's overall attrition rate works out to 2.47 (including transporters and recce aircraft lost on the ground). If aircraft destroyed on the ground are not taken into account, the rate works out to 1.12, which is still very high given that PAF aircraft never really stood back to fight.

The question of loss is important but, in the ultimate analysis, secondary. Achieving air superiority cost the IAF dearly in 1971 but in the end it managed to achieve complete dominance over the skies in both East and West Pakistan.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...-yeager-pakistan-air-force-3.html#post3301763
 
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From the same source.
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** PAF losses include 13 aircraft destroyed by PAF on the ground at Dhaka. :woot:
 
Looking at just the "aircraft losses" is taking a very narrow view.

Especially when the other "loss" is so much bigger. ;)
 
Re: Chuck Yeager and the Pakistan Air Force

I believe the title does suggests that the topic is Air force aka aerial warfare. !!
 
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From the same source.
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** PAF losses include 13 aircraft destroyed by PAF on the ground at Dhaka. :woot:


Arey yede wohi toh bole raha hai ,yea banda ki more sorties means more attrition . Still you guys won air war beacause Your mentor Yuck Yeager said that.

P.S-Yuck Yeager is the same guy who lost his beloved Beach craft aircraft parked in Chakala airbase by Indian naval pilot - formal Chief admiral Nirmal Verma. :mps:
 
Arey yede wohi toh bole raha hai ,yea banda ki more sorties means more attrition . Still you guys won air war beacause Your mentor Yuck Yeager said that.

P.S-Yuck Yeager is the same guy who lost his beloved Beach craft aircraft parked in Chakala airbase by Indian naval pilot - formal Chief admiral Nirmal Verma. :mps:

Lagata hai, thoda pissed off ho gaya, Beach craft ke "loss" ke baad. ;)
 
Arey yede wohi toh bole raha hai ,yea banda ki more sorties means more attrition . Still you guys won air war beacause Your mentor Yuck Yeager said that.

P.S-Yuck Yeager is the same guy who lost his beloved Beach craft aircraft parked in Chakala airbase by Indian naval pilot - formal Chief admiral Nirmal Verma. :mps:

The person involved was Arun Prakash, not Nirmal Verma.
 
Arey yede wohi toh bole raha hai ,yea banda ki more sorties means more attrition . Still you guys won air war beacause Your mentor Yuck Yeager said that.

P.S-Yuck Yeager is the same guy who lost his beloved Beach craft aircraft parked in Chakala airbase by Indian naval pilot - formal Chief admiral Nirmal Verma. :mps:

Kia lalu panju mar raha hey, air war history was made in 1971, long before Yeager's memoirs were published. In any case you are making it sound as if the Beech craft was his personal property. !!
 
Kia lalu panju mar raha hey, air war history was made in 1971, long before Yeager's memoirs were published. In any case you are making it sound as if the Beech craft was his personal property. !!

No it was not, but he was pissed off plenty :agree:
 

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