Gen. Raheel---Yemen Crisis---Feb 2019

[Whirling_dervesh]

Hi,

If pakistanis don't understand what I have written---then maybe they can search some material on east india compnay and look up their modus operandi----.

A scared customer ( Rajah Maharajah ) is approached---the company offers its services---but in this case the Maharajas of gulf states approach approach pakistan---.

They are looking at this new menace that has come up---the ISIS---the leaders are scared---really concerned---they approach a poor brother---who has dealt with this menace very well---.

They lay down and ask for help---when they don't get it---they beg for it---.

Only the true enemies of Pakistan would have refused help at that juncture---.

This car salesman would have sold them the gap insurance---the warranty---security alarm---Lo Jack---paint and fabric protection---tire repair and what ever not---.

It is not something like it never happened---. The east india company operatives operated on this principal of up selling their client on protection services---.

I think you kids need to read up some history and stop wasting your time on porno clips---.

Let's take your post for face value.

Tell me in all honesty what would Pakistan GAIN from this adventure. What could they possibly squeeze from the arabs.

I'm not dismissing the idea, in fact I like the idea however the arabs would have had to offer something astronomical to put our young Pakistani lives on the line.

If that net gain is worth it, then I would no hesitation

 

[jzeebravo]

Too far-fetched. Britishers were following the footsteps of Portuguese, no Western nation ever colonized a fellow Western nation or even a Christian country. They were invaders with the sole intention of plundering other nations. Jahangir's folly resulted in the death of his great great great grandson Bahadur Shah Zafar dying in a store in Rangoon. Arabs afterall are our fellow-Muslims you can't apply the same formula here. The ruling families in the Arab sheikhdoms are surviving because of US and other Western nations, they are alrady colonized and compromised and you cannot trust these families after what they did to the Ottomans - at the time of that offer, US was shifting ISIS to Afghanistan and TTP was melting into its cadres, China was coming up with CPEC and there was a need to raise two more divisions to protect the CPEC related interests. Raheel Sharif's decision was correct as the immediate need was to safeguard the Western borderd instead of committing thousands of troops in a foreign land.

 

[Sine Nomine]

You guys think that the fortunes of nations are built by sitting protected---and everything would end

Fortune favours the bold.

 

[Baghial]

Hi,

General Raheel---when he grows older---would look back and think about his folly---that how he failed Pakistan by missing out at the opportunity of creating a military battle group to be stationed in emirates---Oman---Saudia---Qatar.

They came knocking at his door---seeking help and and asking for protection with the allowance and permission of the powers to be----requesting Pakistan to supply them with military manpower to protect and secure their region.

A true East India Company moment for Pakistan---but without the conquest---. They had posted a request of close to 50000 troops---and a good visionary---strategist & tactician would have suggested that 100K to a 150K troops would be a better number---.

It would also be better to have equipped the battle group with its own base of power ie---air force---navy---infantry---armor---artillery so that it could move and act without any hinderance of requesting acquisition and being dependent on other factors---.

When yemeni shias decided to revolt against their govt---their fate and the fate of their families was sealed---. Death destruction chaos and mayhem was looking at them in the coming future at an extremely fast rate---regardless of who the military was---.

The General failed to realize what benefits his and his troops presence would have in that region and how would pakistan fare once the job was accepted---.

Such a large number of troops would have given pakistan massive leverage over the thinking and decision making of the gulf states and most of it would have gone in Pakistan's favor.

The general also failed to recognize the impact of that decision on arch rival India as well---. With such a large force in the region---most of the jobs would be taken by the Pakistanis---and the Indian influence would diminish real real fast---.

ISIS was going to be playing havoc in the region and there was a true fear of ISIS coming to the region and creating unrest---.

But all these things which were staring right in the face of the general---were over looked by him---.

Seems like the general never read the spread of Islamic power in spain---. The berbers were invited over for help---they crossed the seas and claimed a stake and foothold in spain that lasted for 700 years---& neither did the general remember how the east india company got a foothold in the sub continent---. Nizam of Hyderabad asked for help and protection as did many other smaller Rajas and Maharajas---which ultimately succumbed to the influence of the british---.

But the real issue was for power positioning in the arena---. A 150K troops in the region---3-4 heavy strike aircraft SQDRN'S at hand---3-4 navy frigates of the type 054 category---multiple smaller ships---awacs---transport aircraft---multiple quick deployable armor divisions---and all the paraphernalia a large military task force at his disposal protecting the gulf states and covering the flanks of the enemy---.

Bottomline---the general failed miseraby to protect the future interests of pakistan---but indeed did secure a very lucrative position for himself for a very nice retirement and inheritence---. How I wish that someone could put Gen Raheel to shame for deceiving Pakistan at that juncture---.

The general had his own benifits in mind..??? ..

 

[Mentee]

One simple answer, Pakistan Army is not an army for rent

Pentagon acted otherwise and send its troop to help English against the Germans, which they got no beef with .

Similarly all NATO armies are rent armies and ottomans too were leasing out their soldiers and equipment to bail out the mughals so - - - - - -?

 

[macnurv]

Pentagon acted otherwise and send its troop to help English against the Germans, which they got no beef with .

Similarly all NATO armies are rent armies and ottomans too were leasing out their soldiers and equipment to bail out the mughals so - - - - - -?

You are seriously comparing WWII with current conflict, there is not a hint of logic in such ridiculous statement.

 

[S.Y.A]

Let's take your post for face value.

Tell me in all honesty what would Pakistan GAIN from this adventure. What could they possibly squeeze from the arabs.

I'm not dismissing the idea, in fact I like the idea however the arabs would have had to offer something astronomical to put our young Pakistani lives on the line.

If that net gain is worth it, then I would no hesitation

fund expensive military procurement, also get invest a much larger amount in Pakistan.

 

[MastanKhan]

Too far-fetched. Britishers were following the footsteps of Portuguese, no Western nation ever colonized a fellow Western nation or even a Christian country. They were invaders with the sole intention of plundering other nations. Jahangir's folly resulted in the death of his great great great grandson Bahadur Shah Zafar dying in a store in Rangoon. Arabs afterall are our fellow-Muslims you can't apply the same formula here. The ruling families in the Arab sheikhdoms are surviving because of US and other Western nations, they are alrady colonized and compromised and you cannot trust these families after what they did to the Ottomans - at the time of that offer, US was shifting ISIS to Afghanistan and TTP was melting into its cadres, China was coming up with CPEC and there was a need to raise two more divisions to protect the CPEC related interests. Raheel Sharif's decision was correct as the immediate need was to safeguard the Western borderd instead of committing thousands of troops in a foreign land.

Hi,

Read again---. There is no mention of taking over the countries---the focus is on providing security and protection in return of economic gains.

Let's take your post for face value.

Tell me in all honesty what would Pakistan GAIN from this adventure. What could they possibly squeeze from the arabs.

I'm not dismissing the idea, in fact I like the idea however the arabs would have had to offer something astronomical to put our young Pakistani lives on the line.

If that net gain is worth it, then I would no hesitation

Hi,

A 150 K troops permanent presence in the region with its own equipment to fight and operate---equipment procured thru gulf estates funds.

The term SQUEEZE is a very bad word---a better term is share the responsibility of security of the region and maintain a balance of power---.

The rewards I have written about many a times---.

One simple answer, Pakistan Army is not an army for rent. GCC states have all the money in the world they can hire any mercenary firm, including Eric Prince which by the way lives in UAE.




Why there are so many --- in each line you type, is this a fill in the blank or some kind of typed version of spewing saliva while talking fast and non-sense?
You are the only one who is living in LaLa land. Stationing 150K troops in quagmire of GCC internal fights when Pakistan surrounded by enemies at all sides. You are using example of EIC's history, yet drawing completely wrong conclusions from it. Your genius idea is to engage Pakistani forces in multiple places, let our soldiers die for others war, have you learned nothing from last time?




Name calling and crazy use of --- doesnt help your arguments, if there was any in your rants. You clearly are talking like someone who doesnt understands what is at stake, your arguments lack rationality.



There is no ummah, get it through your head. Palestine, Kashmir, Rohingya, Yemen, where have you seen Ummah taking a stand. Arbs looks down on us, and you here are suggesting we send our troops in their battles of ego. Get this idea out of your head, our own house is on fire and we should first focus on our fire. Naach na janey, angan teraah.




Yes my countrymen even after being treated like shit by these Arabs still jump up and down for their entertainment.



Lets get rid of this word brotherly islamic country from our national discourse. Lets call countries as friendly or not friendly, when will be understand the sad harsh reality of International Relations. We must protect our self interests first and foremost, and we are in no situation to become leaders of Islamic world.

I have no love for Iran, time and time again Iran have engaged against Pakistan. We should treat them accordingly, a hostile country, not an out right enemy but hostile.



You have lost it completely, the more I read your posts the more I feel you're mentally unstable. I have been at this forum for a long time and remember reading your posts, but over past some time you are getting more irrational than ever. On the day of Indian strikes, you were running all over the forums going crazy over PAF and next day all praises for PAF. I hope everything is ok with you, I mean it sincerely.

Hi,

The person referred already admitted his mistake---what is your worth except for a few barbs---nothing---nada---zilch.

 

[macnurv]

Hi,

The person referred already admitted his mistake---what is your worth except for a few barbs---nothing---nada---zilch.

Are there multiple people using this account or just multiple personalities all living in one persons head?

 

[HAIDER]

Spot on Mastan sahab.
our new generation kids are a big disappointment -- vast majority of them know nothing of our Islamic history and the names of our warriors --- (bollywood names are on finger tips of this generation). ----- the blame also goes on our education system, the system just produces degree holders, what we need are ideologues.



Pakistanis have given up reading books, books reading is kinda out dated thing now.

These days people have money but no passion to spend money on books --- In my younger days, most of us were empty pockets --- We used to contribute money and head towards mall road in search of second hand books on roads, that book used to go in so many hands.

Good old days .....



I am sorry to say, you didn't understand what he is saying.

What i don't understand ?

 

[Big Tank]

I am in no mood to fix myself in this discussion but Chacha Mastan have gone mad in Murrica. Sometimes he's coming up if PAF is totally collapsing and sometimes he really dying to get into Shiekh's lap. Idk what makes him think that it's easier to do all this. Pakistan Army being one of the most professional and humanitarian armies around the world cannot think about such step. We at no cost, can afford receiving dead soldiers returning from Yemen after encountering Houthis noting that all the Arab coalition failed despite they've always been well integrated with the Yemenite Terrain and Territory. For Mastan, money is everything and idk what answer he's preparing to present in his grave when Allah asks him "Why did you lobby for an adventure funded and designed by the Nassarah (Yahud)", most hated by Allah in Quran for their nature of always conspiring against Muslims. Then Allah also mention Munafiqeen who lobby for Yahud within the ranks of Muslims. I just listened to that verse yesterday and it didn't take long to see an example.

 

[Mentee]

I am in no mood to fix myself in this discussion but Chacha Mastan have gone mad in Murrica. Sometimes he's coming up if PAF is totally collapsing and sometimes he really dying to get into Shiekh's lap. Idk what makes him think that it's easier to do all this. Pakistan Army being one of the most professional and humanitarian armies around the world cannot think about such step. We at no cost, can afford receiving dead soldiers returning from Yemen after encountering Houthis noting that all the Arab coalition failed despite they've always been well integrated with the Yemenite Terrain and Territory. For Mastan, money is everything and idk what answer he's preparing to present in his grave when Allah asks him "Why did you lobby for an adventure funded and designed by the Nassarah (Yahud)", most hated by Allah in Quran for their nature of always conspiring against Muslims. Then Allah also mention Munafiqeen who lobby for Yahud within the ranks of Muslims. I just listened to that verse yesterday and it didn't take long to see an example.

Bro here's the deal

BY virtue of the sharia law and interpretation be it sunni shia or wahabi, Pakistan has been vested with the right to inflict harm on any Muslim nation to save its skin.


No Muslim empire has ever abided by the Islamic injunctions. So to expect some sorta sainthood from only Kaalay miskeen Pakistani Muslims would be too much .


And as you mentioned earlier, Pakistan military is professional and humanitarian. well, there's more to it, no Muslim empire or modern Muslim nation ever lobbied and aided the Ummah so intensely despite of their sect, color or race given the resources it possesses.


And Iam sure Allah would be leneant on us for that simple fact . God doesn't need any shia or sunni to establish Mehdi and Jesus . They gonna triumph anyways - - - - - - - until then save our kith and kin from racist supremacists by out playing them.


You know better than me that how every relevant empire had some "Hadeeth" concocted to back their agendas set by their royalty.


Ummaydas, Safvi ottomans, mughals - - - - - didn't even spare their families. what makes you think a new fellow with nukes, geography and potential in the town shall be left alone?

 

[MastanKhan]

@Mentee ---here is a listen for you---@ around 5:00 minutes----.

I am in no mood to fix myself in this discussion but Chacha Mastan have gone mad in Murrica. Sometimes he's coming up if PAF is totally collapsing and sometimes he really dying to get into Shiekh's lap. Idk what makes him think that it's easier to do all this. Pakistan Army being one of the most professional and humanitarian armies around the world cannot think about such step. We at no cost, can afford receiving dead soldiers returning from Yemen after encountering Houthis noting that all the Arab coalition failed despite they've always been well integrated with the Yemenite Terrain and Territory. For Mastan, money is everything and idk what answer he's preparing to present in his grave when Allah asks him "Why did you lobby for an adventure funded and designed by the Nassarah (Yahud)", most hated by Allah in Quran for their nature of always conspiring against Muslims. Then Allah also mention Munafiqeen who lobby for Yahud within the ranks of Muslims. I just listened to that verse yesterday and it didn't take long to see an example.

Hi,

Man you guys taking st---- to levels not known---.

When the Houthis went against the stae---they by default had signed their death warrant---from whose hand---that was the unknown---.

Presence of a 150K troops in this region would have secured muslim nations in and around the region---. It would have put india on a check mate---progress would have been made over kashmir---afghanistan---iraq---syria---libya---.

You have to make and think of a game plan---you go in---you take charge---you build a force---you start spreading your influence---you reach out to neighboring muslim nations and bring peace and prosperity to them---.

Somalia---Libya---Sudan---Iraq---Syria---Afghanistan---Kashmir---.

What the fck do you think---that empires are build on looking at **** and jerking off in the stinky dark toilet 4 times a day---.

The christian armies joined together after 9/11 and have murdered ove 6 million muslims---over 10 million muslims are homeless---.

Syria is decimated---all its history and culture in rubbles---all destroyed---a nation destroyed---libraries destroyed---and you frigginh pakistanis are bitc-hing and moaning about mercenary army---.

More muslims have been killed by the christians in the last 18 years and made homeless than those killed by Chengiz Khan and Helagu Khan's armies---and you guys are whimpering around---.

None of you have the courage and ballz to say what I have been saying---and you call me crazy---.

Readers listen to this video at 5:00 minute mark---

 

[MIRauf]

Indeed it was golden opportunity handed to Pak and all Pak had to do was pluck it and run with it. With Pop of close to 200 Million, mostly UN-employed, it would have been so easy to raise a force of 100+K. But it was not just him, the majority of Parliament objected to it, fools.

Imagine having GCC dependent up on Pak for its Security, the upper hand you would have gotten to control things, their security in your hands, and they so dependent on you just as world is dependent on OPEC. Something tells me that it would have been easy to recruit 50K/100K with added incentive ( more pay, life insurance etc ) and volunteers would have lined up. I see no mullah running around complaining that Iran is recruiting Shia's to go fight its wars, and these war hardened warriors when return back to Pak and start trouble then what , it be considered kosher / halal ?

PS: Worst enemy of Pak is Pakistani themselves, wait no, mostly people in Pakistan are Sunni or Shia before Pakistani, wait no, people are Punjabi, Sindhi, Balooch, Pathan, Makrani etc before Pakistani. I guess being Pakistani comes much later then it should be.

When was last time Iran worried about how Pak will feel if they sided with India on things ? why do Sunni, Shia or Punjabi, Sindhi, Pathan, and or Blooch that live in a Country called Pakistan need to walk on egg shells for Iran ? doesn't Iran have Sunni population ? should Iran worry about what its Sunni population will feel if it takes side with Anti-Pakistan Countries ?

People need to be Pakistani before Shia or Sunni, damn they need to be really Pakistani before being Punjabi, Sindhi etc and things will become much easier and better for Pakistan.

 

[Signalian]

Hi,

Read again---. There is no mention of taking over the countries---the focus is on providing security and protection in return of economic gains.

A PA Brigade sized force has been deployed in KSA for exactly this purpose (security and protection) since decades. I am not aware if Pakistan received Aircrafts, Tanks, Submarines in return. Or increasing the number of troops to division and Corps level will make guarantee availability of these weapons? or Unless PA soldiers shed blood in the streets of Yemen ?

Indeed it was golden opportunity handed to Pak and all Pak had to do was pluck it and run with it. With Pop of close to 200 Million, mostly UN-employed, it would have been so easy to raise a force of 100+K. But it was not just him, the majority of Parliament objected to it, fools.

I have strong doubts over your statement of raising 100+K troops from 200 million for services abroad.

It took around 5 -10 years to raise another division level troops strength (10-15,000) troops for FC in KPK and Baluchistan.
The raising of 34th LID (SSD) was envisioned when CPEC was being discussed and it took 4-5 years to fully raise this formation of 15,000 troops and that too with paramilitary forces (which require lesser training standard and duration than regular PA infantry). It is easier to raise Paramilitary wings than Regular Army, less cost of training, equipping and lesser duration.