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Gen. Raheel---Yemen Crisis---Feb 2019

If tomorrow a war with Indian breaks out and Godforbid somehow turns out to be a strategic victory for india, would Iran or Afghanistan let our shia sunnis and Wahabis to take refuge?

Iam afraid there's going to be a genocide of my country men, so massive that our land could turn greasy and our rivers red. This thing I fear the most and would go to every extent to prevent it from happening.
Don't give it a shape of sunni-shia thing, since it is not.

When the opportunity came knocking at our doors we didn't welcome it.
The opportunity was there, to save the country and the Command did.

What other opportunity? selling soldiers to buy aircrafts? can you show me that contract which states that send you army and in return PAF will be given 72 aircrafts PA 1000 MBT PN 15 subs?
 
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Hi,

General Raheel---when he grows older---would look back and think about his folly---that how he failed Pakistan by missing out at the opportunity of creating a military battle group to be stationed in emirates---Oman---Saudia---Qatar.

They came knocking at his door---seeking help and and asking for protection with the allowance and permission of the powers to be----requesting Pakistan to supply them with military manpower to protect and secure their region.

A true East India Company moment for Pakistan---but without the conquest---. They had posted a request of close to 50000 troops---and a good visionary---strategist & tactician would have suggested that 100K to a 150K troops would be a better number---.

It would also be better to have equipped the battle group with its own base of power ie---air force---navy---infantry---armor---artillery so that it could move and act without any hinderance of requesting acquisition and being dependent on other factors---.

When yemeni shias decided to revolt against their govt---their fate and the fate of their families was sealed---. Death destruction chaos and mayhem was looking at them in the coming future at an extremely fast rate---regardless of who the military was---.

The General failed to realize what benefits his and his troops presence would have in that region and how would pakistan fare once the job was accepted---.

Such a large number of troops would have given pakistan massive leverage over the thinking and decision making of the gulf states and most of it would have gone in Pakistan's favor.

The general also failed to recognize the impact of that decision on arch rival India as well---. With such a large force in the region---most of the jobs would be taken by the Pakistanis---and the Indian influence would diminish real real fast---.

ISIS was going to be playing havoc in the region and there was a true fear of ISIS coming to the region and creating unrest---.

But all these things which were staring right in the face of the general---were over looked by him---.

Seems like the general never read the spread of Islamic power in spain---. The berbers were invited over for help---they crossed the seas and claimed a stake and foothold in spain that lasted for 700 years---& neither did the general remember how the east india company got a foothold in the sub continent---. Nizam of Hyderabad asked for help and protection as did many other smaller Rajas and Maharajas---which ultimately succumbed to the influence of the british---.

But the real issue was for power positioning in the arena---. A 150K troops in the region---3-4 heavy strike aircraft SQDRN'S at hand---3-4 navy frigates of the type 054 category---multiple smaller ships---awacs---transport aircraft---multiple quick deployable armor divisions---and all the paraphernalia a large military task force at his disposal protecting the gulf states and covering the flanks of the enemy---.

Bottomline---the general failed miseraby to protect the future interests of pakistan---but indeed did secure a very lucrative position for himself for a very nice retirement and inheritence---. How I wish that someone could put Gen Raheel to shame for deceiving Pakistan at that juncture---.

I always admire you... when Americans invited India to put army boots on Afghanistani soil... I was shocked to know that India denied... but later on my father told me that it is not good for India... I was like ok... fine...

Later on, I talked to one of my friend who is in IA... and he was like... we lost an opportunity... and his analysis was very close to yours...

According to him price was too high... and Indian leadership and public don't have that much guts...
 
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Don't give it a shape of sunni-shia thing, since it is not.

I will coz noobs in my country are counting on racist supremacists for their survival - - - - - -.

I only remember one thing and that nature has binded different ethnic entities into one state. And all these ethnicities have pissed their previous Godfathers which they were part of once. They never gonna forget!
 
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I will coz noobs in my country are counting on racist supremacists for their survival - - - - - -.

I only remember one thing and that nature has binded different ethnic entities into one state. And all these ethnicities have pissed their previous Godfathers which they were part of once. They never gonna forget!
I am not a spokesperson for sunni or shia or Indians so i will let it pass.
 
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Hi,

General Raheel---when he grows older---would look back and think about his folly---that how he failed Pakistan by missing out at the opportunity of creating a military battle group to be stationed in emirates---Oman---Saudia---Qatar.

They came knocking at his door---seeking help and and asking for protection with the allowance and permission of the powers to be----requesting Pakistan to supply them with military manpower to protect and secure their region.

A true East India Company moment for Pakistan---but without the conquest---. They had posted a request of close to 50000 troops---and a good visionary---strategist & tactician would have suggested that 100K to a 150K troops would be a better number---.

It would also be better to have equipped the battle group with its own base of power ie---air force---navy---infantry---armor---artillery so that it could move and act without any hinderance of requesting acquisition and being dependent on other factors---.

When yemeni shias decided to revolt against their govt---their fate and the fate of their families was sealed---. Death destruction chaos and mayhem was looking at them in the coming future at an extremely fast rate---regardless of who the military was---.

The General failed to realize what benefits his and his troops presence would have in that region and how would pakistan fare once the job was accepted---.

Such a large number of troops would have given pakistan massive leverage over the thinking and decision making of the gulf states and most of it would have gone in Pakistan's favor.

The general also failed to recognize the impact of that decision on arch rival India as well---. With such a large force in the region---most of the jobs would be taken by the Pakistanis---and the Indian influence would diminish real real fast---.

ISIS was going to be playing havoc in the region and there was a true fear of ISIS coming to the region and creating unrest---.

But all these things which were staring right in the face of the general---were over looked by him---.

Seems like the general never read the spread of Islamic power in spain---. The berbers were invited over for help---they crossed the seas and claimed a stake and foothold in spain that lasted for 700 years---& neither did the general remember how the east india company got a foothold in the sub continent---. Nizam of Hyderabad asked for help and protection as did many other smaller Rajas and Maharajas---which ultimately succumbed to the influence of the british---.

But the real issue was for power positioning in the arena---. A 150K troops in the region---3-4 heavy strike aircraft SQDRN'S at hand---3-4 navy frigates of the type 054 category---multiple smaller ships---awacs---transport aircraft---multiple quick deployable armor divisions---and all the paraphernalia a large military task force at his disposal protecting the gulf states and covering the flanks of the enemy---.

Bottomline---the general failed miseraby to protect the future interests of pakistan---but indeed did secure a very lucrative position for himself for a very nice retirement and inheritence---. How I wish that someone could put Gen Raheel to shame for deceiving Pakistan at that juncture---.

1-Was it General Raheel's Descision to make? was it not Government of Pakistan and Parliament that rejected this offer. He was Just Chief of Army Staff not Marshal Law Administrator

2-150,000 Troops? where would we arrange such massive numbers? From our own Regular Army? Or new recruits? You sir are a learned and experience forum member. Is it even possible to Recruit 150,000 Professional Men in a few Years?

I think you are overstating the offer a bit don't you think. Participating in Yemen offer was like how Egypt Participated with its forces. I dont see any Egyptian Bases in the Region right Now
 
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Your gravely mistaken. We are the great minds of Pakistan :). We won't let the Arab sheikhs use us. We would rather work hard and build our country, build our base, educate our youth, work hard on CPEC and make it a success, build relations with our neighbours and rise up as a great power and go from there.

Slaves and weak are those who run to Arabs for riyals and Dinars.

Jang azzadi k doraan firangio or usmanio ka roosi reech k khilaf itihad ho Gia


Layhaaza vaha k Mufti azam nay fatva daagh dia k firangio k khilaf Jihad haram hai

Nateejatan, bare sagheer k Kaalay musalman chakki m pisva dey gy

Is hmaam m saaray - - - - - -

Have you ever travelled by air on a jet? what does the flashy lady say ? wear you mask first, then put it on other's mouth.

Before that fasten your seat belt. That was an air pocket moment which was more severe.
 
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1-Was it General Raheel's Descision to make? was it not Government of Pakistan and Parliament that rejected this offer. He was Just Chief of Army Staff not Marshal Law Administrator

2-150,000 Troops? where would we arrange such massive numbers? From our own Regular Army? Or new recruits? You sir are a learned and experience forum member. Is it even possible to Recruit 150,000 Professional Men in a few Years?

I think you are overstating the offer a bit don't you think. Participating in Yemen offer was like how Egypt Participated with its forces. I dont see any Egyptian Bases in the Region right Now

Hi,
150 miles destination starts with one foot forward---

It would have easily started with 25000 troops and built up on it---.

What is wrong with you pakistani kids---don't you kids wear your thinking caps to think these things yourselves---.

Seems like nowadays nobody talks and teaches you people about anything except how to make money---.

I always admire you... when Americans invited India to put army boots on Afghanistani soil... I was shocked to know that India denied... but later on my father told me that it is not good for India... I was like ok... fine...

Later on, I talked to one of my friend who is in IA... and he was like... we lost an opportunity... and his analysis was very close to yours...

According to him price was too high... and Indian leadership and public don't have that much guts...


Hi,

Price of SUCCESS is ALWAYS too high---but PRICE of COWARDICE is HIGHER---.
 
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Hi,

Price of SUCCESS is ALWAYS too high---but PRICE of COWARDICE is HIGHER---.

Agreed... I was talking to someone (civilian) when he said that... we were not expecting for such swift reply... and I was like... you are a fool...
 
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Hi,

General Raheel---when he grows older---would look back and think about his folly---that how he failed Pakistan by missing out at the opportunity of creating a military battle group to be stationed in emirates---Oman---Saudia---Qatar.

They came knocking at his door---seeking help and and asking for protection with the allowance and permission of the powers to be----requesting Pakistan to supply them with military manpower to protect and secure their region.

A true East India Company moment for Pakistan---but without the conquest---. They had posted a request of close to 50000 troops---and a good visionary---strategist & tactician would have suggested that 100K to a 150K troops would be a better number---.

It would also be better to have equipped the battle group with its own base of power ie---air force---navy---infantry---armor---artillery so that it could move and act without any hinderance of requesting acquisition and being dependent on other factors---.

When yemeni shias decided to revolt against their govt---their fate and the fate of their families was sealed---. Death destruction chaos and mayhem was looking at them in the coming future at an extremely fast rate---regardless of who the military was---.

The General failed to realize what benefits his and his troops presence would have in that region and how would pakistan fare once the job was accepted---.

Such a large number of troops would have given pakistan massive leverage over the thinking and decision making of the gulf states and most of it would have gone in Pakistan's favor.

The general also failed to recognize the impact of that decision on arch rival India as well---. With such a large force in the region---most of the jobs would be taken by the Pakistanis---and the Indian influence would diminish real real fast---.

ISIS was going to be playing havoc in the region and there was a true fear of ISIS coming to the region and creating unrest---.

But all these things which were staring right in the face of the general---were over looked by him---.

Seems like the general never read the spread of Islamic power in spain---. The berbers were invited over for help---they crossed the seas and claimed a stake and foothold in spain that lasted for 700 years---& neither did the general remember how the east india company got a foothold in the sub continent---. Nizam of Hyderabad asked for help and protection as did many other smaller Rajas and Maharajas---which ultimately succumbed to the influence of the british---.

But the real issue was for power positioning in the arena---. A 150K troops in the region---3-4 heavy strike aircraft SQDRN'S at hand---3-4 navy frigates of the type 054 category---multiple smaller ships---awacs---transport aircraft---multiple quick deployable armor divisions---and all the paraphernalia a large military task force at his disposal protecting the gulf states and covering the flanks of the enemy---.

Bottomline---the general failed miseraby to protect the future interests of pakistan---but indeed did secure a very lucrative position for himself for a very nice retirement and inheritence---. How I wish that someone could put Gen Raheel to shame for deceiving Pakistan at that juncture---.
Seeing how iran has behaved as a lap dog of india. It would have been a great idea.

I am the one who always like the idea of a friendly brotherly iran always. As i love farsi and also pakistan's cultural nearness with iran. Etc
I really like iran.

But sadly iran behaves like an enemy to be Honest. Makes me sad.

I guess its never too late.

But i stand for no shia sunni divisions. I hate to think of my self as a sunni or a shia.

But thats how world is.
 
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Hi,

General Raheel---when he grows older---would look back and think about his folly---that how he failed Pakistan by missing out at the opportunity of creating a military battle group to be stationed in emirates---Oman---Saudia---Qatar.

They came knocking at his door---seeking help and and asking for protection with the allowance and permission of the powers to be----requesting Pakistan to supply them with military manpower to protect and secure their region.

A true East India Company moment for Pakistan---but without the conquest---. They had posted a request of close to 50000 troops---and a good visionary---strategist & tactician would have suggested that 100K to a 150K troops would be a better number---.

It would also be better to have equipped the battle group with its own base of power ie---air force---navy---infantry---armor---artillery so that it could move and act without any hinderance of requesting acquisition and being dependent on other factors---.

When yemeni shias decided to revolt against their govt---their fate and the fate of their families was sealed---. Death destruction chaos and mayhem was looking at them in the coming future at an extremely fast rate---regardless of who the military was---.

The General failed to realize what benefits his and his troops presence would have in that region and how would pakistan fare once the job was accepted---.

Such a large number of troops would have given pakistan massive leverage over the thinking and decision making of the gulf states and most of it would have gone in Pakistan's favor.

The general also failed to recognize the impact of that decision on arch rival India as well---. With such a large force in the region---most of the jobs would be taken by the Pakistanis---and the Indian influence would diminish real real fast---.

ISIS was going to be playing havoc in the region and there was a true fear of ISIS coming to the region and creating unrest---.

But all these things which were staring right in the face of the general---were over looked by him---.

Seems like the general never read the spread of Islamic power in spain---. The berbers were invited over for help---they crossed the seas and claimed a stake and foothold in spain that lasted for 700 years---& neither did the general remember how the east india company got a foothold in the sub continent---. Nizam of Hyderabad asked for help and protection as did many other smaller Rajas and Maharajas---which ultimately succumbed to the influence of the british---.

But the real issue was for power positioning in the arena---. A 150K troops in the region---3-4 heavy strike aircraft SQDRN'S at hand---3-4 navy frigates of the type 054 category---multiple smaller ships---awacs---transport aircraft---multiple quick deployable armor divisions---and all the paraphernalia a large military task force at his disposal protecting the gulf states and covering the flanks of the enemy---.

Bottomline---the general failed miseraby to protect the future interests of pakistan---but indeed did secure a very lucrative position for himself for a very nice retirement and inheritence---. How I wish that someone could put Gen Raheel to shame for deceiving Pakistan at that juncture---.
Sir ji , arbo sa jab dosti ki ,,, tab tab laat pari. You can't trust a people who firmly believe in nationalism.
 
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Hi,

If pakistanis don't understand what I have written---then maybe they can search some material on east india compnay and look up their modus operandi----.

A scared customer ( Rajah Maharajah ) is approached---the company offers its services---but in this case the Maharajas of gulf states approach approach pakistan---.

They are looking at this new menace that has come up---the ISIS---the leaders are scared---really concerned---they approach a poor brother---who has dealt with this menace very well---.

They lay down and ask for help---when they don't get it---they beg for it---.

Only the true enemies of Pakistan would have refused help at that juncture---.

This car salesman would have sold them the gap insurance---the warranty---security alarm---Lo Jack---paint and fabric protection---tire repair and what ever not---.

It is not something like it never happened---. The east india company operatives operated on this principal of up selling their client on protection services---.

I think you kids need to read up some history and stop wasting your time on porno clips---.
 
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Hi,

Are both of you guys living in lala land---. What would spread the army thin---and against what threat---.

India would be neutered once yemen influence was accepted---.

There are hundreds of officers and thousands of men who had joined early and ar still young to command---.

Starting with 50 K troops and building up on them.

You guys think that the fortunes of nations are built by sitting protected---and everything would end well.



Hi,

You kids---are eternally s-----. What the f--- you kids know about conquests---future---nothing---all you can do is watch indian movies---and talk big---.

Whimpering pakistani kids---.

I swear to you guys---when I read responses---it tells me who comes from a WARRIOR CLAN---and who comes from a background of servitude---you kids are open like a book---.

You kids have no concept of conquests---whimpering about dying and blood---. That is what men do---they fight wars---they conquer places---and they die as a result of that---.

Spot on Mastan sahab.
our new generation kids are a big disappointment -- vast majority of them know nothing of our Islamic history and the names of our warriors --- (bollywood names are on finger tips of this generation). ----- the blame also goes on our education system, the system just produces degree holders, what we need are ideologues.

Hi,

If pakistanis don't understand what I have written---then maybe they can search some material on east india compnay and look up their modus operandi----.

A scared customer ( Rajah Maharajah ) is approached---the company offers its services---but in this case the Maharajas of gulf states approach approach pakistan---.

They are looking at this new menace that has come up---the ISIS---the leaders are scared---really concerned---they approach a poor brother---who has dealt with this menace very well---.

They lay down and ask for help---when they don't get it---they beg for it---.

Only the true enemies of Pakistan would have refused help at that juncture---.

This car salesman would have sold them the gap insurance---the warranty---security alarm---Lo Jack---paint and fabric protection---tire repair and what ever not---.

It is not something like it never happened---. The east india company operatives operated on this principal of up selling their client on protection services---.

I think you kids need to read up some history and stop wasting your time on porno clips---.

Pakistanis have given up reading books, books reading is kinda out dated thing now.

These days people have money but no passion to spend money on books --- In my younger days, most of us were empty pockets --- We used to contribute money and head towards mall road in search of second hand books on roads, that book used to go in so many hands.

Good old days .....

Sir ji , arbo sa jab dosti ki ,,, tab tab laat pari. You can't trust a people who firmly believe in nationalism.

I am sorry to say, you didn't understand what he is saying.
 
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Hi,

General Raheel---when he grows older---would look back and think about his folly---that how he failed Pakistan by missing out at the opportunity of creating a military battle group to be stationed in emirates---Oman---Saudia---Qatar.

They came knocking at his door---seeking help and and asking for protection with the allowance and permission of the powers to be----requesting Pakistan to supply them with military manpower to protect and secure their region.

A true East India Company moment for Pakistan---but without the conquest---. They had posted a request of close to 50000 troops---and a good visionary---strategist & tactician would have suggested that 100K to a 150K troops would be a better number---.

It would also be better to have equipped the battle group with its own base of power ie---air force---navy---infantry---armor---artillery so that it could move and act without any hinderance of requesting acquisition and being dependent on other factors---.

When yemeni shias decided to revolt against their govt---their fate and the fate of their families was sealed---. Death destruction chaos and mayhem was looking at them in the coming future at an extremely fast rate---regardless of who the military was---.

The General failed to realize what benefits his and his troops presence would have in that region and how would pakistan fare once the job was accepted---.

Such a large number of troops would have given pakistan massive leverage over the thinking and decision making of the gulf states and most of it would have gone in Pakistan's favor.

The general also failed to recognize the impact of that decision on arch rival India as well---. With such a large force in the region---most of the jobs would be taken by the Pakistanis---and the Indian influence would diminish real real fast---.

ISIS was going to be playing havoc in the region and there was a true fear of ISIS coming to the region and creating unrest---.

But all these things which were staring right in the face of the general---were over looked by him---.

Seems like the general never read the spread of Islamic power in spain---. The berbers were invited over for help---they crossed the seas and claimed a stake and foothold in spain that lasted for 700 years---& neither did the general remember how the east india company got a foothold in the sub continent---. Nizam of Hyderabad asked for help and protection as did many other smaller Rajas and Maharajas---which ultimately succumbed to the influence of the british---.

But the real issue was for power positioning in the arena---. A 150K troops in the region---3-4 heavy strike aircraft SQDRN'S at hand---3-4 navy frigates of the type 054 category---multiple smaller ships---awacs---transport aircraft---multiple quick deployable armor divisions---and all the paraphernalia a large military task force at his disposal protecting the gulf states and covering the flanks of the enemy---.

Bottomline---the general failed miseraby to protect the future interests of pakistan---but indeed did secure a very lucrative position for himself for a very nice retirement and inheritence---. How I wish that someone could put Gen Raheel to shame for deceiving Pakistan at that juncture---.

One simple answer, Pakistan Army is not an army for rent. GCC states have all the money in the world they can hire any mercenary firm, including Eric Prince which by the way lives in UAE.


Hi,

Are both of you guys living in lala land---. What would spread the army thin---and against what threat---.

India would be neutered once yemen influence was accepted---.

There are hundreds of officers and thousands of men who had joined early and ar still young to command---.

Starting with 50 K troops and building up on them.

You guys think that the fortunes of nations are built by sitting protected---and everything would end well.

Why there are so many --- in each line you type, is this a fill in the blank or some kind of typed version of spewing saliva while talking fast and non-sense?
You are the only one who is living in LaLa land. Stationing 150K troops in quagmire of GCC internal fights when Pakistan surrounded by enemies at all sides. You are using example of EIC's history, yet drawing completely wrong conclusions from it. Your genius idea is to engage Pakistani forces in multiple places, let our soldiers die for others war, have you learned nothing from last time?


Hi,

You kids---are eternally s-----. What the f--- you kids know about conquests---future---nothing---all you can do is watch indian movies---and talk big---.

Whimpering pakistani kids---.

I swear to you guys---when I read responses---it tells me who comes from a WARRIOR CLAN---and who comes from a background of servitude---you kids are open like a book---.

You kids have no concept of conquests---whimpering about dying and blood---. That is what men do---they fight wars---they conquer places---and they die as a result of that---.

Name calling and crazy use of --- doesnt help your arguments, if there was any in your rants. You clearly are talking like someone who doesnt understands what is at stake, your arguments lack rationality.

Pakistanis want to talk big about saving the Ummah and the greater Pakistan blah blah. But when the time came they kicked the luck - - - - - - -.


I still remember the phrase used by Justice azmat Saeed khosa in his Panama papers case judgment.

"There's a crime behind every fortune"

Nobody is asking you nuts to indulge in larceny and high handedness for your ownself but for the Mumlikat Khudadad

There is no ummah, get it through your head. Palestine, Kashmir, Rohingya, Yemen, where have you seen Ummah taking a stand. Arbs looks down on us, and you here are suggesting we send our troops in their battles of ego. Get this idea out of your head, our own house is on fire and we should first focus on our fire. Naach na janey, angan teraah.


Arab superiority would have done what they always did. Make us expendable collateral and treat us as lower humans compared to them.

After all ana arabi, anta ajami get lost!!!

Yes my countrymen even after being treated like shit by these Arabs still jump up and down for their entertainment.

But sadly iran behaves like an enemy to be Honest. Makes me sad.

I guess its never too late.

But i stand for no shia sunni divisions. I hate to think of my self as a sunni or a shia.

But thats how world is.

Lets get rid of this word brotherly islamic country from our national discourse. Lets call countries as friendly or not friendly, when will be understand the sad harsh reality of International Relations. We must protect our self interests first and foremost, and we are in no situation to become leaders of Islamic world.

I have no love for Iran, time and time again Iran have engaged against Pakistan. We should treat them accordingly, a hostile country, not an out right enemy but hostile.

Hi,

If pakistanis don't understand what I have written---then maybe they can search some material on east india compnay and look up their modus operandi----.

A scared customer ( Rajah Maharajah ) is approached---the company offers its services---but in this case the Maharajas of gulf states approach approach pakistan---.

They are looking at this new menace that has come up---the ISIS---the leaders are scared---really concerned---they approach a poor brother---who has dealt with this menace very well---.

They lay down and ask for help---when they don't get it---they beg for it---.

Only the true enemies of Pakistan would have refused help at that juncture---.

This car salesman would have sold them the gap insurance---the warranty---security alarm---Lo Jack---paint and fabric protection---tire repair and what ever not---.

It is not something like it never happened---. The east india company operatives operated on this principal of up selling their client on protection services---.

I think you kids need to read up some history and stop wasting your time on porno clips---.

You have lost it completely, the more I read your posts the more I feel you're mentally unstable. I have been at this forum for a long time and remember reading your posts, but over past some time you are getting more irrational than ever. On the day of Indian strikes, you were running all over the forums going crazy over PAF and next day all praises for PAF. I hope everything is ok with you, I mean it sincerely.
 
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