Gen. Bajwa, save Pakistan by a military takeover

[Hamzay]

Judiciary is the biggest criminal in Pakistan; judges are corrupt, characterless and unpatriotic. They are the actual guardians of corruption and crime in Pakistan.

 

[war&peace]

Now this is an utter lie. Patwaris of Punjab are not being grilled. Criminals of KP, criminals of Sindh are not being grilled. All the corrupt mafias are safe. Only Nawaz Sharif's family is being scanned by this JIT. This is only a political mind game. It has nothing to do with accountability. Let's say Nawaz Sharif is disqualified in this case, so what? Will your JIT or your Holy Supreme Court be able to get all the money back from 'their tummies'? Has this Supreme Court taken out any 'maal-e-haraam' from the guts of Zardari and his cronies?

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I understand your desperation and severe pain. But I'll just sip my coffee and enjoy the patwaris burn and go down into the gutter on corruption charges

 

[DJ_Viper]

will jump at the chance to get power no matter the cost and do anything to cling on. We saw it in the 90's, we saw it in 2000's, and we see it today.

Elected officials aren't called "jumping on the chance", that's what military dictators do! Witout a vote, they find a fake reason to "jump on the opportunity". Elected officials follow a system based on people's vote. Its a hard concept for many like you in Pakistan. Allow me to spell it properly "V.O.T.E", aka, people's right to chose who can govern them. Not something a few generals can decide for 200 million people.

If someone you don't know, bought you clothes without knowing you and force you to wear them, would you like it? Its the same concept, only has more damage, in terms of military deciding for the people's lives and how to run people's country.

You guys need mature politicians who can talk their sh!t out in the parliament. Otherwise, your country will go back and there ain't no Chinese the second time. Its sad to see how much unnecessary drama there is to damage the system and bring in the military for no reason!

 

[Hamzay]

Respect the system, vote for mature politicians who can follow an agenda that helps the entire nation to grow economically. Anyone who does corruption, the system will clean him out.

This is the actual dilemma, DJ. The system itself is corrupt and criminal. Judiciary is the root cause of all evil. Where will you go for justice and accountability then?

 

[TheBlackCoat]

Tell me one country that has progressed under a dictatorship.

China.

Technically, It may not be a dictatorship but the communist system is pretty close.

 

[Hamzay]

Elected officials aren't called "jumping on the chance", that's what military dictators do! Witout a vote, they find a fake reason to "jump on the opportunity". Elected officials follow a system based on people's vote. Its a hard concept for many like you in Pakistan. Allow me to spell it properly "V.O.T.E", aka, people's right to chose who can govern them. Not something a few generals can decide for 200 million people.

If someone you don't know, bought you clothes without knowing you and force you to wear them, would you like it? Its the same concept, only has more damage, in terms of military deciding for the people's lives and how to run people's country.

At least in my country, a 'vote' is like faith of people on sale. You can buy votes, snatch votes using money and force. So 'vote' is just a molested concept. Voting molestation aka election will get us perverted political criminals.

I hope a military take over in Pakistan will give us a technocratic government under the COAS as Chief Executive, as it was under Gen. Zia. This is what Pakistan needs urgently. We want educated, competent persons in government, we don't want this Jahil flock of political mafia above our heads.

 

[DJ_Viper]

This is the actual dilemma, DJ. The system itself is corrupt and criminal. Judiciary is the root cause of all evil. Where will you go for justice and accountability then?

I disagree. The root cause is who has dictated you for 45 years. They never allowed the institutions to be built. Now, its the second term, and your system has matured thousand of miles since Musharraff. Just look at the media, and how quickly everything gets out.

So by the end of another term by some democratically elected government, you'll see everyone lining up to do their roles. Otherwise, the system will clean them out. Sooner or later, the judiciary you referred to, will also have a code of conduct. In US, I can complain about a judge's behavior to that state's attorney general or a higher authority. No one's above their code of conduct.

But I can't define American code of conduct for Pakistan. YOU have to develop those, and YOU can ONLY do that, when you have a few years or more, in a system, away from a general's rule. Pak Army is a very professional force and has done a lot for Pakistan, in terms of safeguarding the nation from terrorism and the menace of the extremism. Their sacrifice are very critical but its not their role to run the country. The system should be allowed to be formed and standard operating procedures and code of conducts would be built overtime. You just recovered from almost going bankrupt.

Its like a baby who is now 30 and never seen her mom and dad and now she found them and can't let them go to sleep because she feels loved. Well, you can't be getting 30 years of love in one day. Just like that, what people and the country couldn't get for the past 70 years, can't be "done" in 4-5 years. Give your system time, it is working. I personally invest in your stock sitting in the US and I took a big loss and I am royally pissed due to the drama that goes in Pakistan. Please give me my money back

At least in my country, a 'vote' is like faith of people on sale. You can buy votes, snatch votes using money and force. So 'vote' is just a molested concept. Voting molestation aka election will get us perverted political criminals.

I hope a military take over in Pakistan will give us a technocratic government under the COAS as Chief Executive, as it was under Gen. Zia. This is what Pakistan needs urgently. We want educated, competent persons in government, we don't want this Jahil flock of political mafia above our heads.

You have never learned from the past have you? You want another general like Zia? . Read my post above. I'm done, this is a lost cause it seems like.

 

[Khan_patriot]

What democracy man? Here people can't spell or pronounce democracy and you want to give this to them.

The Army cannot and will not intervene in politics anymore, it just doesnt have neither the inclination or the ability to run the country, fight the insurgency and defend the borders. The awam is going to shit talk the Army in any case.

 

[Śakra]

pakistanis are the only people in the world who WANT military dictatorships over democracy

 

[TheBlackCoat]

The Army cannot and will not intervene in politics anymore, it just doesnt have neither the inclination or the ability to run the country, fight the insurgency and defend the borders.

If Army does not have ability to defend or fight insurgency who has?

 

[TheBlackCoat]

It's a dictatorship of sorts. A one-party system. Pretty hit-or-miss on their success though. Both China and Vietnam are having good fortunes right now because of structural reforms, and Cuba is making progress towards liberalization too, but others like North Korea? A success in propping up the state, a failure at basically everything else. East Germany, Hungary, the Soviet Union, Poland, South Yemen, Yugoslavia sans Tito, Afghanistan, Bulgaria, Libya, I could go on with the failures but this list would get big quick.

In general, barring some benevolent ones like Tito in Yugoslavia or Kagame in Rwanda one-party systems and dictatorships - military, coup, personalist, family or otherwise - have been abject failures at best.

The recipe is simple.

Authoritarian Political system + Capitalist Economic System = Successful Nation

All the communist countries that you listed failed due to Communist economic system not due to their Authoritarian political system. Even a democratic country like India failed due to socialist/communist economic system.

 

[American Pakistani]

4 years and democracy have looted Pakistan with both hands. The rupee now stand at 109/US $. Debts have sky rocketed. Lej and other groups have spread chaos all over Pakistan, zero development except CPEC projects and few bridges in Lahore.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Elected officials aren't called "jumping on the chance", that's what military dictators do! Witout a vote, they find a fake reason to "jump on the opportunity". Elected officials follow a system based on people's vote. Its a hard concept for many like you in Pakistan. Allow me to spell it properly "V.O.T.E", aka, people's right to chose who can govern them. Not something a few generals can decide for 200 million people.

If someone you don't know, bought you clothes without knowing you and force you to wear them, would you like it? Its the same concept, only has more damage, in terms of military deciding for the people's lives and how to run people's country.

You guys need mature politicians who can talk their sh!t out in the parliament. Otherwise, your country will go back and there ain't no Chinese the second time. Its sad to see how much unnecessary drama there is to damage the system and bring in the military for no reason!

You dont know what you are talking about, Nawaz's president in the early 90's tried to remove him from power for corruption and Nawaz fought a dirty fight to cling on. In the 2000's he defined ethnic politics by constantly playing the Punjabi card, and now we can see all the drama he is creating while a massive corruption case is happening.

Zardari is just too complicated to condense in a single post, but he possibly assassinated his wife and used her death to get into power. Again, you have NO idea what you are talking about and I dont know why your coming after me American since I never argued that point.

 

[El Sidd]

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-40518835

 

[Khan_patriot]

If Army does not have ability to defend or fight insurgency who has?

Easy there cowboy, the army cant run the government and fight at the same time.