Gen Bajwa rubbishes Indian army chief's claim of 'so-called surgical strikes' on Pakistan

[Nalini]

You people like always make merry on illusions & false pride. Empty vessels.

 

[abdulbarijan]

Spoiler: Quotations from your "sources"

Here is what your "proof" actually says in quotes ... Read and enjoy ..

India claims it sent ground forces, paratroops and attack helicopters to more than a half-dozen places up to three kilometers inside Azad, or Azad Kashmir. It boasts that it inflicted “heavy,” “double-digit” casualties on “terrorists and those trying to shield them.”

John Blank, a former South Asian policy adviser to the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee and currently a Rand Corporation analyst,” said “any (US) criticism of India for a cross-border action would have seemed hypocritical,” given its own “surgical strike against Obama bin Laden in Abbottabad (Pakistan).”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/10/01/indi-o01.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-backs-indias-military-strikes-against-pakistan/5548754

On September 29, 2016, the Indian government informed the international community, both through diplomatic channels and the media, that it’s Army had carried out action against Pakistani terrorists who had assembled in small groups on the Pak-controlled side of its border in Kashmir, and had plans to enter India to carry out terror activities. According to the Indian Army statement, ‘significant casualties’ were inflicted on the terrorists.

http://eptoday.com/indias-war-on-terror/

It seems that India has "responded" to the Uri terrorist attack, which New Delhi says was perpetrated by Pakistani-trained terrorists.The Indian Express has the details:
India conducted surgical strikes last night along the [Line of Control] to safeguard our nation, the Defence Ministry said on Thursday.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/breaking-india-bombs-terrorist-launch-pads-pakistan/ri16716

India has conducted "surgical strikes" on suspected militants in Pakistan it suspects of preparing to infiltrate into the part of Kashmir it controls, the army's director general of military operations said on Thursday.
An army source said that the strikes were launched across the Line of Control, or de facto border between the two countries.
(Reporting by Sanjeev Miglani; Writing by Douglas Busvine; Editing by Nick Macfie)

http://in.reuters.com/article/pakistan-india-kashmir-strikes-idINKCN11Z0M0

India's special forces carried out a series of "targeted strikes" early Thursday morning into the Pakistan-controlled region of Kashmir. India's military says that they were targeting several "launching pads" used by Pakistani terrorists as they prepared to cross the line of control (LOC) separating the India-controlled and Pakistan-controlled portions of Kashmir, in order to carry out terrorist attacks. India's military says that dozens of militants were killed.

http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/xct.gd.e160930.htm#e160930

A spokesperson of the US Statement Department declined to comment on the Indian claim of carrying out surgical strike inside Pakistan, and again urged the nuclear-armed states to exercise calm and restraint.

http://muslimsabroad.com/us/us-spokesperson-refuses-to-comment-on-indian-claim-of-surgical-strike/

The shelling came hours before India claims it sent troops into Pakistan to carry out "surgical strikes" against suspected militants.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...stan-causes-panic-india-kashmir-a7339306.html
http://www.thevoicetimes.com/iran-causes-panic-firing/

The success of the surgical strike on terror launch pads in Pakistan occupied Kashmir ten days after Uri on September 28-29 was announced by the Director General of Military Operations, Lt. Gen. Ranbir Singh. The Government of India had authorized the Director of Military Operations to brief the media soon after the surgical strike.

Mr. I. Ramamohan Rao is a former Principal Information Officer of the Government of India. He can be reached on his e-mal raoramamohan@hotmail.com (ANI)

http://www.pakistantelegraph.com/index.php/sid/248346673

the Indians publicly declared that they had violated the Line of Control - the unofficial ceasefire line - dividing Pakistani and Indian Kashmir, and had sent special forces and helicopter gunships to attack Pakistani 'militants' and soldiers on Sept. 28-29.

https://www.sott.net/article/331119-Kashmir-Pivoting-toward-war-between-India-and-Pakistan

Conclusion for your articles/sources :

- Ignoring the fact that you have some of the articles linked twice from different sites just to show that you have "sources" and one of your source literally calls "Osama bin laden" as "Obama bin laden"... Let's analyze your "sources" further. An overwhelming majority of quotes, simply quote the Indian version of the story. Some quotes offer independent analysis, however upon a closer look we see Indian authors in sources, indian media sources such as the Indian express being quoted etc. So these "sources" do not qualify as any proof whatsoever because they don't offer any evidence to begin with. It's basic story reporting or if it is an analysis it is done on the basis of the presumption that what India said is true. again WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE.

-The Russian ambassador statement like your other sources is based on the presumption that what India said was true. Let's not forget a Russian official was on quote post 2010 where he said something to the effect to you could spit in his face if Russia sold weapons/ equipment to Pak. Guess what's powering the backbone of PAF? So it's just your usual sucking up that happens to appease your population. Finally I find it funny how the Indians are quick to reject the claims by UNMOGIP, a mission exclusively there to monitor such events yet are quick to use reports that quote indian sources/officials/media as "proof".

-Lastly, the only source you quoted that offered an "independent analysis" i.e. Breitbart. Let me just quote the type of headlines they have ran to prove to you exactly how reliable the source is. e.g. 'The solution to online 'harassment' is simple: Women should log off', 'Bill Kristol: Republican spoiler, renegade Jew','Hoist it high and proud: The Confederate flag proclaims a glorious heritage', ' "Would you rather your child had feminism or cancer?" 'etc.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/14/media/breitbart-incendiary-headlines/

Spoiler: Your Video "sources": Part 1

Video doesn't work

Rauf Klasra,NEVER accepted that India conducted surgical strikes in this quoted video.

Doesn't even concern surgical strikes. Talks about Uri attack

Secular talk specializes in talking politics. I've actually been a long time viewer of this channel and I know for a fact that Kyle doesn't know Jack about the subcontinent. He maybe very well balanced on politics, good on social issues, may have some insight on Palestine-Israel and US conflicts but he too simply reports what the Indian media says and presumes its true without any evidence. Lastly, the video was uploaded before Pakistan took journalists to the claimed sites, hence the analysis is moot because it lacks complete information to begin with.

Video reports the versions of both sides. Nothing that confirms your "surgical strike".

He literally says " some sort of strike happened". But then he then says " How many army personnel were there? How deep did they go? How many militant targets were destroyed? Allah know better.. The information is not clear". So even this video has no EVIDENCE for a surgical strike.

 

[abdulbarijan]

Spoiler: Your "Video "sources" : part 2

The reporter actually says "Very usual for India to say it conducted such strikes" . Again based on the Indian version, no independent analysis or evidence presented.

If you are serious in posting such videos as sources. Then God help you.

Says nothing about Indian "surgical strikes". Tariq Peerzada is commenting on a statement by the PM Nawaz.

Conclusion for your video "sources":

-Again no solid evidence provided by any of the sources in question. Hell, you even had a video up which simply covered the Uri attack, and had nothing on the surgical strikes. Simply shows that your entire point was to just put up every video or link you can find which, in your mind supported your side's narrative but in actuality it doesn't do anything for your case.

-Let's also not ignore the fact that you actually have a video (the one with tariq Peerzada) which has a display picture literally saying in urdu " How John kerry blasted Sushma Suraj on the dramatic so called surgical strikes" ... Do you really want us to take you seriously after that?

-The closest thing you have is some guy who said "something happened" yet accepts that he doesn't know anything regarding the operation. Credible right? Hell even your video with Rauf Klasra that has a title of "Rauf Klasra accepts surgical strikes" has nothing by Rauf Klasra that supports your narrative. You can read individual comments on each video in the spoiler box.

-The fact is Pakistan offered proof. UNMOGIP says that it didn't directly observe any evidence. The Pakistani side was open to journalists, groups etc. and had media people visit the claimed strike sites. Those media personnel were openly allowed to interview the local population and look around. After which, NY times, CNN, AFP, Reuters also reported the Pakistani version. Upon this, your side got so butt hurt that your media personnel like Arnab Goswami reacted by saying "who the hell is BBC or CNN" or that chief minister from your side who wrote a letter to NYT, CNN and BBC asking for an "apology". What has India provided? That's right ... nothing ... except for contradictory media reports

-Lastly, I didn't repond to any Indian video source..Why? Because the indian media contradicted it's own story atleast SIXTEEN TIMES..