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GCC to hold naval drills in Gulf amid Iran spat

As posted earlier:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/irania...tand-irans-power-one-week-30.html#post2865247

Apr 25, 2012

Gulf 'must raise security efforts'

GCC nations need an even more coordinated and grounded effort to ensure the security of oil platforms and critical infrastructure, analysts have stressed.
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The Middle East Homeland Security Summit, which ended yesterday, brought together experts in national security, critical infrastructure and defence from 14 nations to discuss possible dangers to the region.

The GCC faces threats including ballistic missiles and terrorism, but also from organised crime and radicals, said Nasser Al Buhairi, a security and strategic development consultant for the Kuwaiti government.

"Iraq, Iran and Yemen are the main sources of organised crime in the area," Mr Al Buhairi said.

He pointed to organisations involved in narcotic and human trafficking in the Middle East, as well as arms smuggling through the Horn of Africa and areas around the Gulf region.

Johan Obdola, the deputy director in Latin America of the International Association of Seaports and Airports Police, said operatives for Middle East terrorist organisations had been identified as far afield as South America.

"Hizbollah operatives have been spotted with Mexican drug cartels and there have been many indicators of links with others across South America," Mr Obdola said.

Latin America has become the new geopolitical hot zone for transnational organised crime, he said.

"The Iranian regime has a lot of influence in Latin America with countries like Venezuela, Bolivia and Brazil," Mr Obdola said. "Many governments and security organisations in South America now are looking into the Iranian involvement."

Any terrorist links need to be vigilantly watched for, he said, "especially with the situation that is happening with Iran and the international community - it can change for better or worse".

Yet despite the fear-mongering about Iran's arsenal of ballistic missiles, the weapons appear to be more for intimidating adversaries than for inflicting real damage, said Michael Elleman, the regional security expert from the International Institute of Strategic Studies.

"The Iranian missiles programme plays a major role in their intimidation capacity and creating national pride," said Mr Elleman.

He admitted Iran's missile inventory was the largest in the Middle East - second only to that of Israel - but said having that fire power was useless unless it was used to deliver nuclear bombs.

"The negative aspect of ballistic missiles is that if they are not carrying nuclear weapons they do not have much military use," said Mr Elleman, a missile engineer.

He said a one-tonne warhead would cause a damage radius of between 50 and 60 metres.

"With the accuracy of the missiles Iran has, half the time they land a kilometre away from the intended target," Mr Elleman said.

"In a best-case scenario, the probability is one in 100 that they would have an accurate missile strike on to a strategic target like a bridge or an airbase. In reality, it's more but more like one in 1,000."

To strike one target accurately, Iran would need to send out between 300 and 800 missiles, he said, which is much more than they have.

Other experts were more cautious and warned of the Iranian capability to cause damage to critical national infrastructure.

An Iranian attack on Kuwait's Al Ahmadi oil pump station in 1987 was a clear example of the vulnerability of critical infrastructure around the GCC, Mr Al Buhairi said.

"During that attack, 70 per cent of Kuwait's oil export capability was crippled," he said.

Gulf 'must raise security efforts' - The National

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This is the case of stationery targets, just imagine them firing at moving targets (Naval ships)

Dude their weapons are propaganda centric they are not meant to work they are meant to be paraded around the streets every now and then.

Just look at this difference. Iranian made Assault submarine:
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GCC made assault Submarine:
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Seriously no contest even.
 
Well guess what this was between UAE and Korea in 2010:

"Technology on an electromagnetic pulse bomb (EMP) is among the key items for cooperation promised by Korea

The state-funded Agency for Defense Development (ADD) has been pushing to develop the bomb capable of neutralizing an enemy's command-and-control, communications and defense radar systems.EMPs can severely disrupt electronic equipment, which is susceptible to damage by transient power surges. An EMP attack is generated by a very short, intense energy pulse or high-altitude nuclear blast.

The agency plans to complete the development by 2014."
 
Those obsolete Chinese copy "candy" missiles will be destroyed before moving their places:
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Lol Send them against Israel and these will fall like bunch of flies - You know US gives these weapons to you guys because they know you camel jockeys can't really effectively use them so why not earn some money.Heck you guys could not even control Saddam had to call your daddy USA for help.You guys are the most pathetic lot.Trying to be be harda$$ against Iranains who have been under sanctions for over 30 years - Nevertheless, they can still kick your a$$ quite well with old weapons.Now imagine what would happen to you guys if they had modern weapons?
 
Lol Send them against Israel and these will fall like bunch of flies - You know US gives these weapons to you guys because they know you camel jockeys can't really effectively use them so why not earn some money.Heck you guys could not even control Saddam had to call your daddy USA for help.You guys are the most pathetic lot.Trying to be be harda$$ against Iranains who have been under sanctions for over 30 years - Nevertheless, they can still kick your a$$ quite well with old weapons.Now imagine what would happen to you guys if they had modern weapons?

Ooooooh it is so fun to watch you lot burn in envy and anguish. HAHAHAHA. :lol:
 
Lol Send them against Israel and these will fall like bunch of flies - You know US gives these weapons to you guys because they know you camel jockeys can't really effectively use them so why not earn some money.Heck you guys could not even control Saddam had to call your daddy USA for help.You guys are the most pathetic lot.Trying to be be harda$$ against Iranains who have been under sanctions for over 30 years - Nevertheless, they can still kick your a$$ quite well with old weapons.Now imagine what would happen to you guys if they had modern weapons?

You should never underestimate anyone, this goes for both the Saudis & the Iranians. All of us acknowledge & appreciate Iran's efforts to indigenously build their weaponry, equipment, etc. However you must also understand that the Saudi forces today are very different from the ones in the past. Not only are they better equipped, but they have made lots of efforts to improve themselves.
 
the Saudi forces today are very different from the ones in the past. Not only are they better equipped, but they have made lots of efforts to improve themselves.

Hi, need to know as I asked it a hundred times from arabian members, where was GCC when Lebanon and Palestine were pounded with artillery and air force remember those 22 days air raids. What good are you at with modern weapons when you can't protect those poor Palestinians for the past 42+ Years.
 
Hi, need to know as I asked it a hundred times from arabian members, where was GCC when Lebanon and Palestine were pounded with artillery and air force remember those 22 days air raids. What good are you at with modern weapons when you can't protect those poor Palestinians for the past 42+ Years.

Are you referring to the 2006 Lebanon war? This article will inform you of Saudi Arabia's stance on the issue:

Arab World Divided Over Hezbollah - The New York Sun

The Arab League has called Hezbollah's attacks on Israel "unexpected, inappropriate, and irresponsible acts," in the words of Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, Prince Saud Al-Faisal. Also, President Mubarak of Egypt and King Abdullah II of Jordan, without directly naming Hezbollah, warned last week of "the region being dragged into ‘adventurism' that does not serve Arab interests."

Saudi Arabia also issued a statement on July 13 that was critical of Hezbollah's actions: "The Kingdom stood firmly with the resistance in Lebanon until Israel's occupation of Lebanon ended. ... A difference should be drawn between legitimate resistance and rash adventures carried out by elements inside the state and those behind them without consultation or coordination with Arab countries. ... The Kingdom views that it is time that these elements alone bear the full responsibility of these irresponsible acts and should alone shoulder the burden of ending the crisis they have created."

The Arab press also has been highly critical of Hezbollah.The editor in chief of the Kuwaiti daily Al-Seyassah, Ahmed Jarallah, has written a number of editorials on the subject. On July 15, he wrote that Israel's operations against Hezbollah are in the interest of the world: "People of Arab countries, especially the Lebanese and Palestinians, have been held hostage for a long time in the name of ‘resisting Israel.' ... Unfortunately, we must admit that in such a war the only way to get rid of ‘these irregular phenomena' is what Israel is doing. The operations of Israel in ...Lebanon are in the interest of people of Arab countries and the international community."
 
Lol Send them against Israel and these will fall like bunch of flies - You know US gives these weapons to you guys because they know you camel jockeys can't really effectively use them so why not earn some money.Heck you guys could not even control Saddam had to call your daddy USA for help.You guys are the most pathetic lot.Trying to be be harda$$ against Iranains who have been under sanctions for over 30 years - Nevertheless, they can still kick your a$$ quite well with old weapons.Now imagine what would happen to you guys if they had modern weapons?
Keep kissing up to the communist Chinese so the Indians won't obliterate you. Don't forget to beg for billions$ from US.
 
Hi, need to know as I asked it a hundred times from arabian members, where was GCC when Lebanon and Palestine were pounded with artillery and air force remember those 22 days air raids. What good are you at with modern weapons when you can't protect those poor Palestinians for the past 42+ Years.

If you are reffering to Gaza They were preparing for war:
saudi Press agency

And that is why Israel stopped.
 
GCC countries needs to get some latest Submarines they have the money so they should invest on right things and weapons

Persian Gulf is a shallow water body.Submarines are not the right kind of weapon for a water body with shallow bathymetric profile.

added later:

Submarines are not combat vessels.Their biggest strength is their ability to remain hidden from plain sight which is negated by sonar and radar detectors.Apart from the fact that due to shallow waters submarines could be easily detected,another fact working against submarines is that,to access open waters they have to pass through Hormuz strait,thus revealing their position.

Unless the submarine is a nuclear powered SSN,detection means destruction.


This newspaper report even though not technical has mention of this issue.(I have forgot the link to site on which i have seen this detail)

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...1dUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Ho8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5910,1589870
 
Can any Iranian members provide some info on the Navy's current fleet strength? Finding reliable info online is proving to be difficult and I want to compare capabilities.

Edit: Mods please have a look at this thread. Some of the posts are ridiculous.
 
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