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By Yolande Knell & David Gritten
BBC News, in Jerusalem and London
The families of some hostages had said they did not want to see the Israeli government agree a partial deal
Israel and Hamas have reached a deal to exchange 50 of the hostages held in Gaza for a four-day pause in fighting.
The agreement should also see 150 Palestinian women and children held in Israeli jails released and an increase in humanitarian aid allowed into Gaza.
The BBC understands that the pause will start at 10:00 (08:00 GMT) on Thursday.
The US president said the deal would end "an unspeakable ordeal" for the hostages and "alleviate the suffering of innocent Palestinian families".
The Israeli government vowed to complete its war to eliminate Hamas and return the rest of the more than 200 hostages who Hamas gunmen kidnapped during a cross-border attack on southern Israel on 7 October in which 1,200 people were killed.
Hamas - which Israel, the US and other Western powers class as a terrorist organisation - said the deal would give Palestinians time to recover after an intense Israeli air and ground assault which its government in Gaza has said has killed more than 14,000 people.
A statement from the office of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced that 50 women and children would be released over four days, during which time "a pause in the fighting will be held".
It also offered Hamas an incentive to release more, saying: "The release of every additional 10 hostages will result in one additional day in the pause."
That clause is important for the hostages' families, some of whom had previously told the BBC that they did not want to see a partial deal.
The 50 hostages expected to be released in four batches of 12 will be Israeli nationals or dual nationals, rather than foreigners.
No list of names has been published, but a senior US official told reporters that at least three American citizens - including three-year-old Avigail Idan, whose parents were killed in Kibbutz Kfar Aza - would be among them.
A senior Israeli official said on Tuesday afternoon that Hamas could also unilaterally release the 26 Thai nationals believed to be among the hostages.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has said it is ready to facilitate any releases, as its staff did when Hamas freed two Israeli-American women and two Israeli women last month.
Israeli forces operating inside Gaza have also rescued one female soldier and recovered the bodies of two other female hostages - a soldier and a civilian.
The Israeli government said it would "continue the war in order to return home all of the hostages, complete the elimination of Hamas and ensure that there will be no new threat to the State of Israel from Gaza".
It said all drone and Israeli aircraft activity was expected to stop for four days in the south of Gaza.
But in the north - which has been the main target of Israeli operations to dismantle Hamas - the same will only hold between 10:00 and 16:00 local time (08:00-14:00 GMT) each day.
Israeli troops and tanks are expected to remain in their positions inside Gaza during the four-day pause, but the Hamas statement said Israeli forces would not attack or arrest anyone.
Reuters
The deal will allow people in Gaza safe passage from northern areas, like Jabalia refugee camp, to south
For Palestinians in Gaza, 1.7 million of whom have fled their homes according to the UN, a respite in the brutal fighting cannot come soon enough.
The deal will allow 200 lorries carrying aid, four fuel tankers and four lorries carrying gas to enter Gaza via Egypt's Rafah crossing on each of the four days.
But it is understood that the boost in fuel - desperately needed for hospital generators, water desalination and sewage facilities - will only last for as long as the pause.
Israel cut off electricity and most water, and stopped deliveries of food, fuel and other goods to Gaza in retaliation for Hamas's attack.
It has allowed 1,399 lorryloads of humanitarian supplies to enter via Egypt over the past month, compared to a monthly average of 10,000 before the war, according to the UN. It blocked all fuel deliveries until a week ago, saying that it could be stolen by Hamas and used for military purposes.
And although the deal will allow people in Gaza safe passage from north to south, it will not permit the hundreds of thousands of displaced people from the north to return home.
The Israeli government statement did not mention that, but on Wednesday morning its justice ministry published a list in Hebrew of the names of 300 prisoners eligible for release as part of the deal - based on the possibility that Hamas will agree to free 50 more hostages.
The list comprises 123 boys aged between 14 and 17, one 15-year-old girl, 144 18-year-old men, and 32 women aged between 18 and 59. Most are remanded in custody while awaiting trial on charges that range from stone-throwing to attempted murder.
The reason the list had to be published is because of a legal formality in Israel. Ahead of any prisoner release, Israeli citizens must be allowed 24 hours to make an appeal to the Israeli Supreme Court.
No serious holdups are expected, but this is why there is a delay in the deal taking effect.
Israel is currently holding about 7,000 Palestinians accused or convicted of security offences, according to Israeli and Palestinian rights groups. Almost 3,000 Palestinians are reported to have been arrested in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, where violence has also surged, since 7 October.
Hamas's statement ended by saying the deal aimed to "serve our people and strengthen their steadfastness in the face of aggression".
It also warned: "Our fingers remain on the trigger, and our victorious fighters will remain on the look out to defend our people and defeat the occupation."
www.bbc.com
What we know about Israel-Hamas Gaza deal on hostages
22nd November 2023,By Yolande Knell & David Gritten
BBC News, in Jerusalem and London
The families of some hostages had said they did not want to see the Israeli government agree a partial deal
Israel and Hamas have reached a deal to exchange 50 of the hostages held in Gaza for a four-day pause in fighting.
The agreement should also see 150 Palestinian women and children held in Israeli jails released and an increase in humanitarian aid allowed into Gaza.
The BBC understands that the pause will start at 10:00 (08:00 GMT) on Thursday.
The US president said the deal would end "an unspeakable ordeal" for the hostages and "alleviate the suffering of innocent Palestinian families".
The Israeli government vowed to complete its war to eliminate Hamas and return the rest of the more than 200 hostages who Hamas gunmen kidnapped during a cross-border attack on southern Israel on 7 October in which 1,200 people were killed.
Hamas - which Israel, the US and other Western powers class as a terrorist organisation - said the deal would give Palestinians time to recover after an intense Israeli air and ground assault which its government in Gaza has said has killed more than 14,000 people.
Which hostages will be released?
After talks continued into the early hours of Wednesday morning, Israel's coalition government finally signed off on this deal.A statement from the office of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced that 50 women and children would be released over four days, during which time "a pause in the fighting will be held".
It also offered Hamas an incentive to release more, saying: "The release of every additional 10 hostages will result in one additional day in the pause."
That clause is important for the hostages' families, some of whom had previously told the BBC that they did not want to see a partial deal.
The 50 hostages expected to be released in four batches of 12 will be Israeli nationals or dual nationals, rather than foreigners.
No list of names has been published, but a senior US official told reporters that at least three American citizens - including three-year-old Avigail Idan, whose parents were killed in Kibbutz Kfar Aza - would be among them.
A senior Israeli official said on Tuesday afternoon that Hamas could also unilaterally release the 26 Thai nationals believed to be among the hostages.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has said it is ready to facilitate any releases, as its staff did when Hamas freed two Israeli-American women and two Israeli women last month.
Israeli forces operating inside Gaza have also rescued one female soldier and recovered the bodies of two other female hostages - a soldier and a civilian.
The Israeli government said it would "continue the war in order to return home all of the hostages, complete the elimination of Hamas and ensure that there will be no new threat to the State of Israel from Gaza".
What will happen in Gaza during the pause?
A longer Hamas statement gave more details of what Israeli military action was expected to cease for the duration of what it called a "hudna", or temporary truce.It said all drone and Israeli aircraft activity was expected to stop for four days in the south of Gaza.
But in the north - which has been the main target of Israeli operations to dismantle Hamas - the same will only hold between 10:00 and 16:00 local time (08:00-14:00 GMT) each day.
Israeli troops and tanks are expected to remain in their positions inside Gaza during the four-day pause, but the Hamas statement said Israeli forces would not attack or arrest anyone.
Reuters
The deal will allow people in Gaza safe passage from northern areas, like Jabalia refugee camp, to south
For Palestinians in Gaza, 1.7 million of whom have fled their homes according to the UN, a respite in the brutal fighting cannot come soon enough.
The deal will allow 200 lorries carrying aid, four fuel tankers and four lorries carrying gas to enter Gaza via Egypt's Rafah crossing on each of the four days.
But it is understood that the boost in fuel - desperately needed for hospital generators, water desalination and sewage facilities - will only last for as long as the pause.
Israel cut off electricity and most water, and stopped deliveries of food, fuel and other goods to Gaza in retaliation for Hamas's attack.
It has allowed 1,399 lorryloads of humanitarian supplies to enter via Egypt over the past month, compared to a monthly average of 10,000 before the war, according to the UN. It blocked all fuel deliveries until a week ago, saying that it could be stolen by Hamas and used for military purposes.
And although the deal will allow people in Gaza safe passage from north to south, it will not permit the hundreds of thousands of displaced people from the north to return home.
Who are the Palestinian prisoners?
Hamas said that the deal would also see 150 Palestinian prisoners - all women and children - released by Israel.The Israeli government statement did not mention that, but on Wednesday morning its justice ministry published a list in Hebrew of the names of 300 prisoners eligible for release as part of the deal - based on the possibility that Hamas will agree to free 50 more hostages.
The list comprises 123 boys aged between 14 and 17, one 15-year-old girl, 144 18-year-old men, and 32 women aged between 18 and 59. Most are remanded in custody while awaiting trial on charges that range from stone-throwing to attempted murder.
The reason the list had to be published is because of a legal formality in Israel. Ahead of any prisoner release, Israeli citizens must be allowed 24 hours to make an appeal to the Israeli Supreme Court.
No serious holdups are expected, but this is why there is a delay in the deal taking effect.
Israel is currently holding about 7,000 Palestinians accused or convicted of security offences, according to Israeli and Palestinian rights groups. Almost 3,000 Palestinians are reported to have been arrested in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, where violence has also surged, since 7 October.
Hamas's statement ended by saying the deal aimed to "serve our people and strengthen their steadfastness in the face of aggression".
It also warned: "Our fingers remain on the trigger, and our victorious fighters will remain on the look out to defend our people and defeat the occupation."
What we know about Israel-Hamas Gaza deal on hostages
The agreement should see Hamas release 50 hostages during a four-day pause in fighting in Gaza.
www.bbc.com
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Are there any sources to Mush-Mush claiming to be from Syed lineage? I cannot seem to find any concrete evidence.
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western leaders called them terrorists and let civilians be killed. they may as well execute all the hostages. you don't negotiate with Nato countries. Period.
When did I say I hate erdogan? I was against the coup. You attacked me first, here. I'm against arabs benig weak vs these cringe nato circlejerking groupies.
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hmmmm
Hmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!
ok....btw these can't stay forever or long periods out in those seas..
Ha ha ....that's possible, but it takes huge levels of everything, primarily organization- are US and NATO actually ready for the "Iran contingency/scenario"? They have 45,000 soldiers available when they actually need 200-500K soldiers...they have 50 ships and Aircraft carriers, but many are potential sitting ducks for Antiship missiles and weaponry (they've already seriously worried about Hezbollah's ASCM + ASBM), plus those ships will need to be replenished..multiple times...and assuming they survive, that takes a ton of logistics...is NATO actually ready? and is NATO stocked properly with the necessary ammunition for this short but hot and wild war in the region? Small Gaza has already worn down the IDF, Hezbollah can and might take off another chunk out of the IDF, leaving Iran and Houthis to wear down the oppressive state, i dont think US will be able to help muich, but it might be able to delay+ change some steps and situations and their trajectories, end results/direction, etc.
That means regional war, Lebanon will have to enter and occupy northern Israel, its already ripe for that...apparently pls.
I've read multipe think tank reports on a US-Iran war/NATO/US-Iran scenario/ etc, and all of them tend to agree on one thing- it takes ALOT of logistics, manpower, equipment, ammunition etc. to actually execute a "good" strike on Iran that has a chance of decapitating the state/govt/military (while trying to "attack nuclear facilities"), but without that high and sustained preparation for military conflict with Iran by NATO, the chance of a success in a clash with Iran are not positive. And no, US isnt rich enough to fight Russia and Iran at the same time with a broke treasury.
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I think he mentioned it is his book In the line of fire. I read it along time ago, wouldn't
bother reading about a Napak General ever again.
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Isnt this against the rules to advocate a genocide? Mods @waz
This sorry excuse of a human being is celebrating this? Hasnt he come off a ban, are their any rules on this forum or a free for all?
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There are countless users advocating for genocide and violence, including Pakistani, Turkish, Iranian, Chinese and other users calling for the genocide of all Jews. @Beny Karachun is not alone in that. If anything @LeGenD should unban @sammuel from using this thread and unban Adir if there was fairness at play. The rules should practice what is preached equally.
In other words, you want to enjoy and endorse in genocide cheers by forum jews.
And learn that abolishment of nazi zionists state is not call for genocide.
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Oh, I have said it multiple times above: In a regional war, Israel will cease to exist and Americans would be expelled from the Middle East. That much I am sure of. There is a reason why Americans are not obliging Netanyahu for decades to directly attack Iran. His wish to use Americans right now is just that--a wishful thinking. I have not found a SINGLE worthy American analyst (minus maybe the Neocons like Lindsey Graham) who thinks Americans are going to be victorious in a regional war. Israel wants to drag America into a war using the Israeli Lobby in Washington but America is a Superpower with global interests--it is rightly resisting Netanyahu.
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are you kidding ? some pots and buckets in India are called mortar and rockets
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