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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

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Meengla said:
Not just Indian politicians. Just about ALL American politicians and the root cause, as more and more people are starting to speak about, even in America, is the influence of $$. A few days ago, a VLOG of white Americans (I think it was the Rising Hill, if I recall) said that the Progressive politicians who want to be more balanced about the ongoing conflict were left with 'zero dollars' from the 'donors' versus those who favored Israel. And to win even the Primaries in American elections, you need lots of money. And it is not a secret who those 'donors' are: Mostly Israel Firsters rich Jews and their allies in the Military Industrial Complex.
But I can see there is definitely an awakening in America unlike ever seen before and perhaps that awakening is borne of realization that American interests are gravely endangered due to this nasty Israeli Lobby.
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Sadly,, I think it's essential we need to double down on the anti Jew rhetoric

It's not enough to be anti Israeli

The old Jew stigma's need to be bought out and repeatedly repeated to start changing the narrative

Frankly we have a lot of ammunition, the sheer amount of money, diplomatic effort spent on trying to defend Jew madness is enough to convince many
 
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mulj said:
They are cracking internally after their initial blood thirst for innocents are satisfied.
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They know or not what they planned, which is genocide and ethnic cleansing, is not workable, so section of them is pushing for prisoner swap, which is at the end means ceasefire and a political progress. Haaretz is usually center-left, and their current leaders are on the extreme right, so not sure if they would listen, but it is obvious they're already facing a war fatigue. The ground invasion is the one that worries them the most, as the body count is piling up.
 
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2023 has shown and proved how western equipment is so overrated junk

First in Ukraine

Then by Israel

Iron dome and Merkava 4 with APS has been the biggest joke of 2023

Hamas has emptied the iron dome missiles and now Hezbollah has free rain with rockets and Israel has no defense
 
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Hassan Al-Somal said:
They know or not what they planned, which is genocide and ethnic cleansing, is not workable, so section of them is pushing for prisoner swap, which is at the end means ceasefire and a political progress. Haaretz is usually center-left, and their current leaders are on the extreme right, so not sure if they would listen, but it is obvious they're already facing a war fatigue. The ground invasion is the one that worries them the most, as the body count is piling up.
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That and what Falcon posted, their tycoons are not pleased also and that is important, also if this rocket salvo from north is just beginning they will have to go in total war or to admit defeat, i saw the video of impacts from only 10 rockets from Liban, much more destructive and precise then what Hamas has.
 
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aziqbal said:
2023 has shown and proved how western equipment is so overrated junk

First in Ukraine

Then by Israel

Iron dome and Merkava 4 with APS has been the biggest joke of 2023

Hamas has emptied the iron dome missiles and now Hezbollah has free rain with rockets and Israel has no defense
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True but Israel has 3 layer defence. Its the 3 Arab armies protecting it.
But HAMAS alone can finish the job.
 
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ZeGerman said:
Ofcourse not, but that call for aid is often a “hold down the jews so we can bash their head in with a rock”.

Or
Please support the greater evils (arab/turks) against this lesser evil (israel or arab-light as i call them)

every time i see muslims glorify hamas, a terrorist organisation, or admit to want to completely eradicate israel, i lose just a little bit more sympathy for the “palestinian cause”
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Again, why this charade when you already have decided that Israel is a lesser evil despite numerous UN resolutions, Amnesty International articles and dozens other reputable NGOs against Israeli war crimes, illegal settlement and inhumane treatment of palestinians.

Hamas or no hamas, Israel has been doing this forever but this doesn't matter to people like you.

When you say muslims which muslims ars you talking about? Because i know for a fact that most muslim countries talk about two state solution. You can find many comments from Muslims here at well who didn't mince their words to criticize hamas's action on Israeli citizens.

So, why not just accept it that you love seeing unarmed kids getting slaughtered in hundreds because afterall the same nazi blood continues to flow in your veins.
 
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PaklovesTurkiye said:

Iran-Russia set a western trap in Palestine​

The only country that could possibly distract the west from Ukraine is Israel. But the US and its allies are walking into an existential trap if they think a West Asian victory will be more easily won than a European one.

Pepe Escobar
OCT 27, 2023

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The Russia-Iran strategic partnership - with China in the wings - is laying an elaborate, Sun Tzu-tinged trap for the Hegemon in West Asia.

Apart from Israel, there is no entity on the planet capable of switching the focus, in a flash, away from the west's spectacular debacle in Ukraine.

The warmongers in charge of US foreign policy, not exactly Bismarckian stalwarts, believe that if Project Ukraine is unattainable, Project Final Solution in Palestine could instead be a - ethnic cleansing - cakewalk.

A more plausible scenario, though is that Iran-Russia – and the new “axis of evil” Russia-China-Iran – have all it takes to drag the Hegemon into a second quagmire. It’s all about using the enemy’s own, discombobulated flip-flapping to unbalance him and disorient him to oblivion.

The White House’s wishful thinking that the Forever Wars in Ukraine and Israel are inscribed in the same lofty “democracy” drive and essential to US national interests, has already backfired – even among American public opinion.

That does not prevent cries and whispers along the Beltway revealing Israel-allied US neocons increasing the tempo to provoke Iran – via a proverbial false flag that would lead to an American attack. That Armageddon scenario neatly fits Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s biblical psychopathy.

Vassals would be forced to meekly comply. NATO heads of state have made a beeline to visit Israel to demonstrate their unconditional support for Tel Aviv - including Greece’s Kyriakos Mitsotakis, Italy’s Giorgia Meloni, Britain’s Rishi Sunak, Germany’s Olaf Scholz, the senile lodger at the White House, and France’s Emmanuel Macron.


Avenging the Arab “century of humiliation”

So far, Lebanese resistance movement Hezbollah has shown extraordinary restraint by not taking any bait. Hezbollah supports the Palestinian resistance as a whole – and until a few years back, had serious issues with Hamas, with which it clashed in Syria. Hamas, incidentally, while partially funded by Iran, is not run by Iran. As much as Tehran supports the Palestinian cause, Palestinian resistance groups make their own decisions.

The big news is that all these issues are now dissolving. Both Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) went to Lebanon to visit Hezbollah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah in person this week. That spells out unity of purpose – or what the region's Axis of Resistance calls the “Unity of Fronts.”

Even more eye-opening was Hamas' visit to Moscow this week, which was met with impotent Israeli fury. The Hamas delegation was headed by a member of its Politburo, Abu Marzouk. Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Ali Bagheri came especially from Tehran and met two of Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov’s key deputies, Sergei Ryabkov and Mikhail Galuzin.

That spells out Hamas, Iran, and Russia negotiating at the same table.

Hamas has called on the millions of Palestinians in the diaspora, as well as the whole Arab world and all lands of Islam, to unite. Slowly but surely, a pattern may be discerned: could the Arab world – and great swathes of Islam - be on the verge of significantly uniting to avenge their own “century of humiliation” – much as the Chinese did after WWII with Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping?

Beijing, via its sophisticated diplomacy, is certainly hinting at it to key players, even before the ground-breaking, Russia-China brokered Iran-Saudi rapprochement was struck earlier this year.

That by itself won’t thwart the perpetual US neocon obsession to bomb critical infrastructure in Iran. Worth less than zero when it comes to military science, these neocons ignore how Iranian retaliation would - accurately – target each and every US base in Iraq and Syria, with the Persian Gulf an open case.

Peerless Russian military analyst Andrei Martyanov has shown what could happen to those expensive American iron bathtubs in the Eastern Mediterranean in case of an Israeli-threatened attack on Iran.

Moreover, there are at least 1,000 US troops in northern Syria stealing the country's oil – which would also become an instant target.

Ali Fadavi, IRGC’s deputy commander-in-chief, cut to the chase: “We have technologies in the military field that no one knows about, and the Americans will know about them when we use them.”

Cue to Iranian hypersonic Fattah missiles – cousins to the Khinzal and the DF-27 - traveling at Mach 15, and able to reach any target in Israel in 400 seconds.

And add to it sophisticated Russian electronic warfare (EW). As confirmed in Moscow six months ago, when it comes to military interconnection, the Iranians told the Russians at the same table, “whatever you need, just ask.” The same applies vice-versa, because the mutual enemy is one and the same.


It’s all about the Strait of Hormuz

The heart of the matter in any Russian-Iran strategy is the Strait of Hormuz, through which transits at least 20 percent of the world’s oil (nearly 17 million barrels a day) plus 18 percent of liquified natural gas (LNG), which amounts to at least 3.5 billion cubic feet a day.
Iran is able to block the Strait of Hormuz in a flash. For starters, that would be some sort of poetic justice retribution for Israel aiming to gobble up, illegally, all the multibillion-dollar natural gas discovered offshore Gaza: this is, incidentally, one of the absolutely key reasons for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

Yet the real deal will be to bring down the Wall Street-engineered $618 trillion derivative structure, as confirmed for years by analysts at Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan, as well as independent Persian Gulf energy traders.

So when push comes to shove - and way beyond the defense of Palestine and in a scenario of Total War - not only Russia-Iran but key players of the Arab world about to become members of BRICS 11 - such as Saudi Arabia and the UAE - do have what it takes to bring down the US financial system anytime they choose.

As an old school Deep State higher up, now in business in Central Europe, stresses:

“The Islamic nations have the economic advantage. They can blow up the international financial system by cutting off the oil. They do not have to fire a single shot. Iran and Saudi Arabia are allying together. The 2008 crisis took 29 trillion dollars to solve but this one, should it happen, could not be solved even with 100 trillion dollars of fiat instruments.”
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As Persian Gulf traders told me, one possible scenario is OPEC starting to sanction Europe, first from Kuwait and then spreading from one OPEC country to another and to all countries that are treating the Muslim world as enemies and war fodder.

Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammed Shia al-Sudani has already warned that oil to western markets could be put off because of what Israel is perpetrating in Gaza. Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian has already called, on the record, for a total oil and gas embargo by Islamic countries against nations – essentially NATO vassals - that support Israel.

So Christian Zionists in the US allied with neocon asset Netanyahu threatening to attack Iran have the potential to pull down the entire world financial system.


Forever War on Syria, remixed

Under the current volcano, the Russia-China strategic partnership has been extremely cautious. To the outside world, their mutual official position is to refuse to side with either Palestine or Israel; call for a ceasefire on humanitarian grounds; call for a two-state solution; and respect international law. All their initiatives at the UN have been duly sabotaged by the Hegemon.

As it stands, Washington has refused the green light for the Israeli ground invasion of Gaza. The main reason is the immediate US priority: buy some time to expand the war to Syria, “accused” of being the key transit point for Iranian weapons to Hezbollah. That also doubles as re-opening the same old war front against Russia.

There are no illusions in Moscow. The intel apparatus knows well that Israeli Mossad agents have been advising Kiev while Tel Aviv was supplying weapons to Ukraine under serious US pressure. That infuriated the siloviki, and may have constituted a fatal Israeli mistake.

The neocons, for their part, never stop. They are advancing a parallel threat: if Hezbollah attacks Israel with something else than a few sparse rockets – and that simply won’t happen - the Hmeimim Russian Air Base in Latakia will be “eliminated” as a “warning” to Iran.

This does not even qualify as children playing in the sandbox. After the serial Israeli attacks on the civilian Damascus and Aleppo airports, Moscow did not even blink before offering its Hmeimim facilities to Syria – complete with clearance for Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) cargo flights, according to some Russian intel sources. Netanyahu will not exactly harbor a death wish by bombing a fully A2/AD (anti-access/area denial) Russian Air Base.

Moscow also clearly sees what those expensive American iron bathtubs in the Eastern Mediterranean might be up to. The response has been swift: Mig-31Ks are patrolling neutral air space over the Black Sea 24/7, equipped with hypersonic Khinzals, which would take only six minutes to visit the Mediterranean.

Amidst all this neocon-drenched madness, with the Pentagon deploying a formidable array of weaponry plus “undisclosed” assets to the Eastern Mediterranean, whether the target is Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, Russia, or all of the above, both China and North Korea – part of the new American-concocted “axis of evil” - have indicated they will not be mere bystanders.

The Chinese Navy is for all practical purposes shielding Iran from a distance. Yet even more forceful has been a statement by Premier Li Qiang - something unusually blunt and rare in Chinese diplomacy:

"China will continue to firmly support Iran in safeguarding its national sovereignty, territorial integrity, and national dignity, and will strongly oppose any external forces interfering in Iran's internal affairs.”
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Never forget that China and Iran are linked by a comprehensive strategic partnership. Meanwhile, Russian Premier Mikhail Mishustin has reinforced the Russia-Iran strategic partnership in a meeting with Iran's First Vice-President Mohammad Mokhber.


Remember those rice eaters from Korea

Pro-Iran militias across the Axis of Resistance, are keeping a carefully tempered degree of confrontation against Israel, close to guerrilla hit-and-run. They won’t be engaged in massive attacks yet. But all bets are off if Israel invades Gaza. It’s clear the Arab world, for all its massive internal contradictions, will simply not tolerate the civilian massacre.

Bluntly, at the current incendiary juncture, the Hegemon has found the offramp from its Project Ukraine humiliation. They erroneously believe that the same old Forever War rekindled in West Asia can be “modulated” at will. And if two wars turn into an immense political albatross, as they will, what else is new? They will simply start a new war in the “Indo-Pacific.”

None of that fools Russia-Iran and their ice-cold monitoring of the flipping and flapping Hegemon every step of the way. It’s enlightening to remember what Malcolm X was already predicting in 1964:

“Some rice eaters ran him out of Korea. Yes, they ran him out of Korea. Rice eaters with nothing but gym shoes, and a rifle, and a bowl of rice took him and his tanks and his napalm, and all that other action he’s supposed to have and ran him across the Yalu. Why? Cause the day that he can win on the ground has passed.”
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https://new.thecradle.co/articles/iran-russia-set-a-western-trap-in-palestine
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This author is extremely biased and his claims are both shocking on some counts and laughable on some counts. If I am to speculate about Russian options, Putin's top secret and most effective weapon is his ability to influence American politics to not oppose Russian interests and expansionism. Donald Trump is his best shot to this end.

Russian forces have suffered heavy losses in Ukraine - on the scale not witnessed since World War 2.

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com www.oryxspioenkop.com

Russian forces are still in control of Ukrainian lands bordering Russia but the war continues and Russian losses continue to mount each day. American political polarization at this juncture can affect American support to Ukraine and reduce Ukrainian chances to win the war and some of the Republicans seem to be working on this agenda. Russian oligarchs might have filled some pockets.

www.nytimes.com

Putin’s Next Target: U.S. Support for Ukraine, Officials Say

Russian spy agencies and new technologies could be used to push conspiracy theories, U.S. officials say.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Those mighty Kinzhals were supposed to reduce Kyiv to rubble but Patriot systems prevented this possibility and Russian black sea fleet is virtually routed.

www.economist.com

How Kyiv fended off a Russian missile blitz in May

Western systems arrived in the capital just in time. Other places need them too
www.economist.com www.economist.com

www.aljazeera.com

‘They miscalculated’: Ukraine turns the tables on Russia’s Black Sea Fleet

Russia relocates ships from Sevastopol while the UK lauds Kyiv’s ‘functional defeat of the Black Sea Fleet’.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

https://****/Crimeanwind/46399

But the author assumes that Kinzhals can take out American fleet in the Mediterranean. Certainly.

The author have not noticed that IDF is expanding its footprint inside Gaza methodologically. Urban warfare is tough business of-course. Hamas seems to be well-equipped and fighting will be furious but IDF has sufficient strength and resources to overrun Gaza in time. This was the (Iran - Russia) plan and gambit to disrupt American support in Ukraine? Palestinians were chosen as the sacrificial lambs for Russian gains in Ukraine? This is shocking and disgusting if true.
 
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Hack-Hook said:
is that love for freedom of speech the reason that certain European countries banned and criminalized any support for Palestine ?
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In many European cities there are protests against the israeli actions. Berlin, Hamburg, Amsterdam, London, Kopenhagen, Rome. So don’t say that no one is protesting.
In France protests were banned. But that has nothing to do with the Palestinian cause.
In France almost every major protest ends in riots and burning of cars.
In London 100.000 came to the streets.
As long as protests are peaceful, they won’t be forbidden.
But the French protests, against anything, are bound to end in violence
 
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