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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

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This assumption that Russia and China will fight for Islamic causes is a bad one. These two countries have their own distinct interests.
Agreed.

Unfortunately Israel has deep roots in China. China will step aside and let palestians alone, as Israel always has been silent or reluctant to support Taiwan.

Anyway, this confict it is about a artificial country (Israel) that maintain its position thanks to generosity of all world jews and US unconditional help (4.000 millions yearly direct military help) and this prosthetisc country will end in 2 possibles ways;

1º.- A final agreement between palestians and israelis with support of all International Community at first and Arab/Muslim world at second. Unlikely.

2º.- Defeat of Israel over Arab world / Muslim world in two possible ways;
2º.1º.- Open war and direct defeat of Israel with Arab countries. Unlikely.

2º.2º.- US Debt crisis, or High inflation due to the endless US wars around the world (they just sparkled another military race in Far East (Taiwan and North Korea), ending or diluting the direct military help to Israel. And after some years, Arabs and Muslim countries to take revenge.

But in every case seems to be clear that the position of Israel it is agains the nature. They succeeded because of the help (and silence) of others (direct involvement of US and silence of Europeans and International community).

That is against the History and the Nature of public administration.

I would like to see a coexistence between Palestine and Israel, but you know, when you read the Torah you discover that their God is always in hatred and a constant fight for supremacy, prevailing over the rest and avoiding even new believers. And again, that is against the Nature.

Persons are social, and Social commit yourself to create and follow rules, and those rules must be same for everyone. Unfortunately Israel has been founded (again, because there were people in their first settlement thousand of years ago) in a apertheid state, with a ruler social class and a second class of "gentile". They had many opportunities to cristalyze peace with Cisjordania and their answer were the creation of new (illegal) settlements (to put just one exemple) and after it they created the biggest concentration camp in the History (to put it mild).

And again this kind of coexistence it is against the Nature.

Even in Europe many people understood the autodestructive path of Likud and Ysrael Beitenu way (to put some clear examples).

So, let me be clear (IMO); or Israel change their behaviour and start a new "Social Contract" (in a philosofical concept) or they will finish in another bloody war and expelled again of Palestine lands. But you cannot live with a more than a half of the country closed in a farmyard and giving your back to all arab countries. And no matter which kind of agreement they have with Marocco or Qatar of UAE, their people will never forgive what they did and they are doing to their brothers.

It is against the Nature.
 
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Who are you?

A fundamentalist Christian who believes God came out of a girls private parts and supports a group that killed him?

The worshiper of an estate agent who believes God allowed him to ethnically cleans others?

A cow worshiper drunk on cows piss?


Let us know so I can debate you.
You’ve already lost the argument, lol another child that can’t control their emotions
Way to assume like your other child friends
My stance was stated for many pages go re-read and comprehend
 
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Some of you have no idea how big American war machine is - 90% of it is sitting idle in the present. US is not limited in its options like a typical regional power.

This war will not change a dime in Ukraine - Russia conflict situation.


Hamas came up with an excellent plan, strategy, and element of surprise in this operation. The outcome is stunning no doubt. But let's have a look at the bigger picture in here. Celebrations are premature as usual.

IDF is mobilizing on a big scale this time because they are expecting Hezbollah activity. There is absolute lack of focus on Israeli activity in this thread - members are drawing conclusions from shared clips.


i agree, it was a tactical win by Hamas, in long run they will be decimated, and the next event will happen 10 to 15 years…
 
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They would do that, they will just bomb the entire Gaza to the pulp, that would avoid ground casualty. They can't do that before because that show them in the bad light. Now they have a free hand to do it and they care zero about collateral.

Or you think Israel will do Russian Bakhmut style send in just wave after wave of infantry?

Again HAMAS is not Ukraine and Israel is not Russia. Israel will gain air superiority in Gaza and bomb that place to nothing left and walk infantry across the rubble. That's what they will do, not Russian Bakhmut style
They can not bomb it endlessly, they have couple of days for that after that they have to send in infantry or stop attack and lick their wounds
 
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Some of you have no idea how big American war machine is - 90% of it is sitting idle in the present. US is not limited in its options like a typical regional power.

This war will not change a dime in Ukraine - Russia conflict situation.


Hamas came up with an excellent plan, strategy, and element of surprise in this operation. The outcome is stunning no doubt. But let's have a look at the bigger picture in here. Celebrations are premature as usual.

IDF is mobilizing on a big scale this time because they are expecting Hezbollah activity. Let's see.

There is absolute lack of focus on Israeli activity here - members are drawing conclusions from shared clips.

Cheering for American and its military costs nothing. But making them look as invincible is overstatement and foolishness. Everything has limitations.
 
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