Future of SD-10 in PAF?

[Bilal Khan 777]

US already supplied AIM-120 to Pakistan some news quoted around 500 and we never approach US for any equipment for JF-17 since US equipment are quite prone to sanctions and may PAF don't want that project like JF-17 hit by any sanctions.

JF-17 is an non-ITAR platform, means no american origin equipment will be installed. AIM-120 is for US platforms only, and platform and region locked.

 

[Beast]

I don't think you are independent when you make this claim.

We have R-77 in our stock. So what do you think? We even modify existing Su-30MKK to fire our own PL-12 missile. If R-77 is such magical and wonderful missile. We would have long gone for more or keep buying R-77. But fact is, many layman has hyped up by its wonderful marketing skill and didn't know the real story.

China never go for the second restock of R-77. Once it fully expended, we will used only PL-12 missile or PL-15 if it enter service.

Most likely the Russian radar is replaced with domestic radar.

 

[Zarvan]

 

[Tipu7]

Pakistan Air Force opted for a compromise solution, with the inability to get European weapons, for SD-10 air to air missile. The weapon is now in service, with many hundred on order. However, what is the future of this weapon? Considering the evolving threat of BVRAACM in the theatre, it is likely that PAF will look for a life beyond SD-10.

Enters Russian Federation, which warmup gestures to Pakistan, as India lap dances in American corn fields. Russia has a robust arsenal of developed and developing air to air weapons. It is likely that Pakistan will look towards Russia to arm the next generation of JF17 aircraft, and making the aircraft relevant to Russian block for purchase (having a Russian power plant does help).

What we may expect is a solid interest of PAF in RVV series weapons, such as the Archer and Adder. This may make the sub-continent air battle very interesting, and perhaps the only airfare that will operate US and Russian weaponry side by side.

It is quite possible that Pakistan may opt for Su-35 aircraft, just to access the weapons for JF17 deployment.
However, there will be counter actions to try to buy Rafale or EFT, to access european weapons. May the tallest glass on the table win.

BR

I guess we should keep working with Denel for air to air missiles for coming blocks of Jf17
How about replacing SD10 with Marlin

And PL5 by A Darter?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

@Bilal Khan 777

In terms of the future a key consideration will be the guidance suite. As difficult as it is to develop the propulsion, I don't think there is a world's of difference between the rockets powering the SD-10 series versus the R-series or other AAMs (exception being AIM-120D and Meteor). But the guidance element is an option question. One's consideration isn't only confined to the current typing, e.g. active radar-homing, but we also need to keep other ideas, such as dual-seekers (e.g. ARH and IIR) and AESA-based seekers. The vendor who is (1) developing this stuff, (2) is willing to export it, (3) and is willing to sell to Pakistan would be the long-term winner, IMO.

 

[zebra7]

Pakistan Air Force opted for a compromise solution, with the inability to get European weapons, for SD-10 air to air missile. The weapon is now in service, with many hundred on order. However, what is the future of this weapon? Considering the evolving threat of BVRAACM in the theatre, it is likely that PAF will look for a life beyond SD-10.

Enters Russian Federation, which warmup gestures to Pakistan, as India lap dances in American corn fields. Russia has a robust arsenal of developed and developing air to air weapons. It is likely that Pakistan will look towards Russia to arm the next generation of JF17 aircraft, and making the aircraft relevant to Russian block for purchase (having a Russian power plant does help).

What we may expect is a solid interest of PAF in RVV series weapons, such as the Archer and Adder. This may make the sub-continent air battle very interesting, and perhaps the only airfare that will operate US and Russian weaponry side by side.

It is quite possible that Pakistan may opt for Su-35 aircraft, just to access the weapons for JF17 deployment.
However, there will be counter actions to try to buy Rafale or EFT, to access european weapons. May the tallest glass on the table win.

BR

1. You are claiming SD-10 an export variant of the PL-12 as inferior, inferior to whom ?? and on what terms ?

2. JF-17 radar is Chinese KLJ-7 v2, so if PAF choose some other BVRAAM, who is going to mate it, and does the BVRAAM is a plug and play device to be just put it on the plane.

3. SU-35, to access the weapon for JF-17 development, how ?? Does Chinese think that they could not supply their weapon package, and wants Russian to add their weaponary so easily. Doesn't Chinese thinking of some profits gain from the JF-17 weapon package.

@Beast so which Seaker Chinese are using in their PL-12 BVR

and some one suggesting PL-15 ?? Is it ready for the export ? and the cost signify the usage in general or rather for special targets.

 

[Beast]

1. You are claiming SD-10 an export variant of the PL-12 as inferior, inferior to whom ?? and on what terms ?

2. JF-17 radar is Chinese KLJ-7 v2, so if PAF choose some other BVRAAM, who is going to mate it, and does the BVRAAM is a plug and play device to be just put it on the plane.

3. SU-35, to access the weapon for JF-17 development, how ?? Does Chinese think that they could not supply their weapon package, and wants Russian to add their weaponary so easily. Doesn't Chinese thinking of some profits gain from the JF-17 weapon package.

@Beast so which Seaker Chinese are using in their PL-12 BVR

and some one suggesting PL-15 ?? Is it ready for the export ? and the cost signify the usage in general or rather for special targets.

PL-12 BVRAAM use a unique dual passive/active seeker which is more resistant to ECM.

 

[zebra7]

PL-12 BVRAAM use a unique dual passive/active seeker which is more resistant to ECM.

I said which seeker and developed by which OEM and of which country origin.

 

[Beast]

I said which seeker and developed by which OEM and of which country origin.

Luoyang Electro-Optical Technology Development Center (LOEC). Everything is from China.

There are many rubbish western source which just recycle false claim of the seeker from Russia AGAT.

 

[zebra7]

Luoyang Electro-Optical Technology Development Center (LOEC). Everything is from China.

There are many rubbish western source which just recycle false claim of the seeker from Russia AGAT.

China usually run parralel development program along with the imported system, and China in this case uses AGAT AGAT's 9B-1348 active-radar seeker due to the difficulty in the development. Care to explain Project 129.

Other than seeker the inertial guidance system, and Data link is also Russian.

 

[Beast]

China usually run parralel development program along with the imported system, and China in this case uses AGAT AGAT's 9B-1348 active-radar seeker due to the difficulty in the development. Care to explain Project 129.

Other than seeker the inertial guidance system, and Data link is also Russian.

Datalink of Russian origin is BS. We made a unique similar link 16 comparable to US called Joint Service Integrated Data Link System(全军综合数据链系统). It is something Russia not even comparable. So how can it be Russia origin?

 

[zebra7]

Datalink of Russian origin is BS. We made a unique similar link 16 comparable to US called Joint Service Integrated Data Link System(全军综合数据链系统). It is something Russia not even comparable. So how can it be Russia origin?

LOL Did you even know what is Link 16

 

[Beast]

LOL Did you even know what is Link 16

Yes, military standard link between most military system. Sharing data and info.

 

[zebra7]

Yes, military standard link between most military system. Sharing data and info.

Then you should know that it is just the standard, and software only, not the hardware.

 

[Beast]

Then you should know that it is just the standard, and software only, not the hardware.

I am just quoting an example. Its difficult to translate to specific correct english from Chinese source.