Future of SD-10 in PAF?

[MastanKhan]

3 billon dollars should give you 60 aircraft at 50 mil a POP. Math doesn't add up for 150. Just saying.

Hi,

Okay---thank you----maybe we could stretch it to 6 bliion dollars---120 J10C's .

 

[ali_raza]

Hi,

Okay---thank you----maybe we could stretch it to 6 bliion dollars---120 J10C's .

sir all ur pradictions are coming true.there is a reason i m ur fan.

 

[araz]

Sir,

This is not a tv " DRAMA " where you got to listen to new lines to keep the level of excitement up---. This is a real scenario---real life---life and death situation---where if you don't acknowledge and correct your mistakes---you have serious problems---like now.

I don't have philosophical bs---. I talk about real issues---directions and how to approach and handle them---.

I mean to say---hanging Paf traitors does that sound like philosophical?

Same old bullshit from the same old mouth. Nothing new here.
A

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Same old bullshit from the same old mouth. Nothing new here.
A

Disagreements are okay brother. No need to loose composure.

 

[zebra7]

I still remain a car salesman---.

LOL

 

[Trying to be honest]

An AESA equipped plane will no way be costing only $50m, the calculations are all haywire. AESA manufacturing costs are more related to material and less related to labour, so Chinese AESA should in no way be massively less costly than a Western AESA. So I can't agree that AESA equiped J10 will cost only $50m.

 

[aftab_s81]

I wonder why PAF still hasn't chosen its next tier-1 platform. Funds restrictions aside, I dont think there are too many options to choose from. I think they will have to invest in J-31 program BEFORE it become a nightmare to wakeup. I don't think Su-35 is suitable for PAF, though Mig-35 may be a better solution keeping in mind it uses similar engine to JFT. Also payload and range is comparable to F-16.
If FAF commits to something today, it will take around 4 years to actually realize that platform on ground.
@Windjammer, @MastanKhan, @araz

 

[jupiter2007]

An AESA equipped plane will no way be costing only $50m, the calculations are all haywire. AESA manufacturing costs are more related to material and less related to labour, so Chinese AESA should in no way be massively less costly than a Western AESA. So I can't agree that AESA equiped J10 will cost only $50m.

J-10 cost around 65 million.

Source: pakdef
J-10c with Chinese AESA.
Jf-17 block 3/4 will cost between 40 to 50 millon each depends on configuration.

 

[Trying to be honest]

Ple

J-10 cost around 65 million.[/QUOTE

Is it the price of the AESA version, if so plz send the source.

 

[jupiter2007]

Ple

Is it the price of the AESA version, if so plz send the source.

Pakistan should be working with Denel Dynamics to help develop SRAAM/BVRAAM.

A-Darter SRAAM/SAM
A-Darter Mk 2/3
A-Darter Light
A-Darter anti-shipping missile (ASM)
B-Darter - BVRAAM
R-Darter

 

[Trying to be honest]

Pakdef is a forum, no documents or chines sources I assume. But then thinking of it and comparing to other aesa platforms, lower cost engine (single engine and russian), possible low r&d employee, costs in China, lower cost of avionics - $65mn give or take would make sense. But that is of the platform only I guess. And also we have to assume that China doesn't seek any profit addendum over and above this price.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Pakistan should be working with Denel Dynamics to help develop SRAAM/BVRAAM.

A-Darter SRAAM/SAM
A-Darter Mk 2/3
A-Darter Light
A-Darter anti-shipping missile (ASM)
B-Darter - BVRAAM
R-Darter

just in your imaginations their is no A-dater versions you stated and their also no B-Dater and A-Darter, R-darter is joint project b/w Brazil not with Pakistan, i heard that Pakistan was developing T-Darter with Denel in the distant past and what your sorce please give me the link

 

[jupiter2007]

just in your imaginations their is no A-dater versions you stated and their also no B-Dater and A-Darter, R-darter is joint project b/w Brazil not with Pakistan, i heard that Pakistan was developing T-Darter with Denel in the distant past and what your sorce please give me the link

first of all, I said "Pakistan should", I didn't say Pakistan is....
Second, Please do some research before you embarrassing yourself..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-Darter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-Darter
http://www.deneldynamics.co.za/products/missiles/air-to-air-missiles/a-darter

Further envisaged development include a A-Darter light, A-Darter Extended Range, and a ASM version. There are also projects to develop an A-Darter Mk2 and later a Mk3.

Denel Dynamics is also developing a new radar-guided, beyond-visual-range AAM (BVRAAM) missile called B-Darter

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/a-darter-air-to-air-missile/

How do you like them apples?

 

[Ultima Thule]

first of all, I said "Pakistan should", I didn't say Pakistan is....
Second, Please do some research before you embarrassing yourself..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-Darter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-Darter
http://www.deneldynamics.co.za/products/missiles/air-to-air-missiles/a-darter




http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/a-darter-air-to-air-missile/

How do you like them apples?

So you believe those unreliable links like WIKIPEDIA and AIRFORCE TECHNOLOGY it is good for your health, post some reliable links like JANE'S, FLIGHT-GLOBAL, AVIATION WEEK etc etc your two links are empty for variation of A-darter and their is no B-Darter, it is MARLIN they are developing as a BVRAAM, do some research before you posting and your DENEL links doesn't states any version A-Darter, and that i called it reliable link

 

[jupiter2007]

So you believe those unreliable links like WIKIPEDIA and AIRFORCE TECHNOLOGY it is good for your health, post some reliable links like JANE'S, FLIGHT-GLOBAL, AVIATION WEEK etc etc your two links are empty for variation of A-darter and their is no B-Darter, it is MARLIN they are developing as a BVRAAM, do some research before you posting and your DENEL links doesn't states any version A-Darter, and that i called it reliable link

One can argue about Wikipedia but as far as I know Airforce Technology is a reliable site.
My point is that Pakistan needs to diversify it's defence equipment and shouldn't put all it's eggs in the same basket (china).
South Africa,Turkey, Serbia, Italy, Ukrainian, Belarus, Azerbaijan, South Korea and Brazil, all of these countries have a pretty decent defence industry and Pakistan must work with them on defence projects to develop it's own civilian and defence industry.