Future of Pakistan Bangladesh relations

[Saiful Islam]

I think there is no future of Pakistan-Bangladesh relationships because:

1: People in Bangladesh know Pakistan and Pakistanis as oppressor, rapist, radicalized or hostile (Note 1).
2: Both countries lack any significant products or willingness to trade: though we are, unilaterally, trying to keep this link up but I think this is already dead link.
3: Secondly, most people, in Pakistan, don't know anything about Bangladesh and those who know don't want to know anything - that is very good thing because I think being neutral is better than being taken by hatred (Note 2).
4: There is no significant strategic or geo-political interest in each other for either of the countries.
5: Given above reasons, this is not going to change because Bangladesh is far from Pakistan.

Note 1: Hatred and spreading hatred towards Pakistan makes sense because thinking or doing otherwise would defy their logic for separate foundation. They need to promote something as source of nationalism and their govt. as successful at exploiting it.
Note 2: For about 27 years of my life, I didn't know much about Bangladesh accept this is some country in the world. All I could remember from my Pak. Studies course is that "there was east wing of Pakistan where India hatched conspiracy and it was separated from us by Indian forces. A couple of years ago I came across some video that was about Bangladesh vs Pakistan. I wanted to overlook but there was too much hatred in video and comment sections that induced me dig deeper and see even more hatred. I got to talk to some people from Bangladesh but it only caused the deterioration in my neutrality towards Bangladesh. So, I suggest all Pakistani fellows to stay away from such discussion or linkage, it our past, just bury it and move on.

Point number 3 is absolute crap and that mindset only flourishes on PDF, "oh we don't know anything about BD and most people don't want to", but in reality I get asked all the time by Pakistanis if I'm from Sylhet to Dhaka, what kind of food we eat etc etc..The list can go on. The reality is most BDeshis aren't well informed on Pakistan (many know zilch about Pak and are usually very uninterested) and its culture and when you do find a Bengali like myself who is clued up on Pak it's because we spend a fair bit of time on PDF.

Even in this day and age many Bengalis are completely unaware that Pakistan is made up of different ethnic groups instead of just Punjabs.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Well, that's not going to happen. We have nukes, and we're not as thick as you are to start a suicidal campaign that will end us both.

Wow, one journalist apologised and Musharaf expressed regret, lol it's sad you count that as an official state apology.

Don't play the victim card, Bengalis started the genocide, but the Pakistanis finished it. We just managed to do a better job, if the roles were reversed you'd exterminate every non Bengali in the area and put them in camps, as shown with your oppression of the Biharis.

We have learnt from 1971 two things, never trust the Hindustanis because they will start another war shortly after the last one, and never EVER give leeway to any ethnic groups who want more power or independence. I'd say we've fully learnt from these two things by building nuclear weapons and crushing down any rebellions before they even start, unlike in 1971 where we waited for the Bengalis to escalate things.



We can be friends, but only if Bangladesh doesn't ask us to apologise and moves on from 1971, and doesn't keep playing the victim card (Bengalis started the genocide after all).

This isn't a conflict between Muslim countries, Bangladesh is founded on the basis of ethnic nationalism and separated from its fellow Muslims. Bangladesh doesn't count as a Muslim country. It's people may count as Muslims, but it's country by definition doesn't.

A Musibet is better than a thousand Nesihat!!! After 48/65 Pak got little complacent, so 71 was a good wake-up call!! And, they have been being successful in the next rounds since then!!!!!

 

[Lavrentiy]

Government in Bangladesh is to be blamed for most part

And what about General Ayub, General Yahya, General Tika Khan, and the so-called Tiger Niazi?

The Punjabi dominated establishment is mostly responsible for the poor relations.

Haseena Wajid is only delivering justice to some war criminals. She is not to blame.

 

[WAJsal]

And what about General Ayub, General Yahya, General Tika Khan, and the so-called Tiger Niazi?

I thought we were talking about current relations. I agree with you if we are not talking about current relations.

The Punjabi dominated establishment is mostly responsible for the poor relations.

How many of the said names in your post were Punjabis?

 

[Samurai_assassin]

You know for what. Don't play dumb.

Yeah...but I was talking about cricket. It seems you guys find it hard to play a series at home.


Try nations like England, Australia or SA first. If they start visiting then we'll too. Does BCCI block them as well? Ah well then you are in a tough position. Good luck

A few attacks in BD and many countries will refuse to play in BD. They already showed grave concern regarding the attacks on bloggers.

 

[countryman]

Point number 3 is absolute crap and that mindset only flourishes on PDF, "oh we don't know anything about BD and most people don't want to", but in reality I get asked all the time by Pakistanis if I'm from Sylhet to Dhaka, what kind of food we eat etc etc..The list can go on. The reality is most BDeshis aren't well informed on Pakistan (many know zilch about Pak and are usually very uninterested) and its culture and when you do find a Bengali like myself who is clued up on Pak it's because we spend a fair bit of time on PDF.

Even in this day and age many Bengalis are completely unaware that Pakistan is made up of different ethnic groups instead of just Punjabs.

Hmmm, this is not an argument: accept it or leave it - it is totally up to you (Note 1). However, let me say it otherwise - maybe it will help you understand better, "People here don't hate Bangladesh, nor they want to hate them." I'm sure you know your countrymen better than me, talking to them only induces hatred that we're not up for.

I'm talking about countries, not some individuals or individual communities. I'm sure about what I said. We don't beat the drums like Bangladesh do about Pakistan, we don't need to. There isn't much about Bangladesh or our history with Bangladesh on TV, or in newspaper or in general text books or general discussions etc. Personally, I think that is best thing to do. I really wish the best in the future endeavors of people of Bangladesh but I really don't want our country pulled into everything bad that happens in Bangladesh. I believe in moving on and leaving past behind.

Note 1: This is only a personal view based on my judgement and experience. Who knows what future holds. Only in Karachi, Bangladesh is discussed (relatively much more as compared to other parts of country) because of migrant population after 1971 and their own separately adopted identity as Bangladeshis.

 

[Zabaniyah]

I think it's right to say Pakistanis don't have hatred for Bangladeshis, instead there is actual love for Banglalis, or maybe used to be. The hostile government in Bangladesh is worsening ties, even though history is not so good we should work on repairing ties and build a friendlier environment of whatever trade we can have with each other.
Government in Bangladesh is to be blamed for most part. I don't see ties improving as long as Haseena is in power.
@Nilgiri , can vouch for the love part.

I think you know that it is a bit more than that.

Why did your government condemn the executions of convicted war criminals of Bangladesh? What is their deal? Or is it just politics?

 

[idune]

I think you know that it is a bit more than that.

Why did your government condemn the executions of convicted war criminals of Bangladesh? What is their deal? Or is it just politics?

for indo awami cheerleaders, not only Pakistan, EU, Amnesty International, Human Rights watch, Turkey condemned the execution that was based on farcical trial. Even US questioned the trial and asked for review.

awami league could not prove specific crime these people are charged with other than the fact they have opposed independence from Pakistan. Even Sheikh Mujib did not want independence according to official indian documents.

 

[Zabaniyah]

for indo awami cheerleaders, not only Pakistan, EU, Amnesty International, Human Rights watch, Turkey condemned the execution that was based on farcical trial. Even US questioned the trial and asked for review.

awami league could not prove specific crime these people are charged with other than the fact they have opposed independence from Pakistan. Even Sheikh Mujib did not want independence according to official indian documents.

I was asking only in the perspective of Pakistan. Not necessarily that of the international community (though, they could be in the same bucket). Considering the nature of the trial and environment, would it not have been better if Pakistan had been silent on the matter? That only provided fuel for the ruling party. There's a bigger fish to fry.

 

[idune]

That only provided fuel for the ruling party. There's a bigger fish to fry.

Here is the truth - ruling awami league farce and lie about Bangladesh independence. Awami league set the precedence for posthumous trial of Sheikh Mujib.

 

[Saiful Islam]

Hmmm, this is not an argument: accept it or leave it - it is totally up to you (Note 1). However, let me say it otherwise - maybe it will help you understand better, "People here don't hate Bangladesh, nor they want to hate them." I'm sure you know your countrymen better than me, talking to them only induces hatred that we're not up for.

I'm talking about countries, not some individuals or individual communities. I'm sure about what I said. We don't beat the drums like Bangladesh do about Pakistan, we don't need to. There isn't much about Bangladesh or our history with Bangladesh on TV, or in newspaper or in general text books or general discussions etc. Personally, I think that is best thing to do. I really wish the best in the future endeavors of people of Bangladesh but I really don't want our country pulled into everything bad that happens in Bangladesh. I believe in moving on and leaving past behind.

Note 1: This is only a personal view based on my judgement and experience. Who knows what future holds. Only in Karachi, Bangladesh is discussed (relatively much more as compared to other parts of country) because of migrant population after 1971 and their own separately adopted identity as Bangladeshis.

On a government level, then you're right. They unnecessarily bring up the Pakistan topic as a scapegoat. On a people to people level, Bangladeshis rarely speak about Pakistan unless it is regarding a terror attack or sometimes Cricket. Except for that, our daily lives cannot bare the expenses of discussing Pakistan (time is money and some trade will concern India as it's the neighboring country so it will usually be the topic at hand).

Furthermore, the social fabric is different to that of India or Pakistan, the Indians will talk bitter of Pakistanis and vice versa but it's not really the case here. We don't want to be stuck between a Indo-Pak small talk rivalry, which is usually the case.

 

[WAJsal]

Why did your government condemn the executions of convicted war criminals of Bangladesh? What is their deal? Or is it just politics?

Wrongly convicted, that is our stance. They were supporting then the State of Pakistan(East and West). Biharis and so called war criminals have been under prosecution for a long time and for no good reason.

 

[Solomon2]

Wrongly convicted, that is our stance. They were supporting then the State of Pakistan(East and West). Biharis and so called war criminals have been under prosecution for a long time and for no good reason.

And there is the flaw in thinking. If you're acting to support my country Pakistan then whatever your actions I won't label you a criminal! Pure tribal thinking.

When you can actually look at the facts and admit, "Yes, my country was wrong, we West Pakistani Muslims were wrong to oppress the Muslims and non-Muslims of East Pakistan and those responsible and their perpetrators are criminals who should be punished" and work to see that happen, then you will be thinking and acting in accordance to normal civil law and can claim to be a civilized person.

Ciao for now!

 

[WAJsal]

And there is the flaw in thinking. If you're acting to support my country Pakistan then whatever your actions I won't label you a criminal! Pure tribal thinking.

When you can actually look at the facts and admit, "Yes, my country was wrong, we West Pakistani Muslims were wrong to oppress the Muslims and non-Muslims of East Pakistan and those responsible and their perpetrators are criminals who should be punished" and work to see that happen, then you will be thinking and acting in accordance to normal civil law and can claim to be a civilized person.

Ciao for now!

The only flaw i see is in your observation, never did i say who was right and who was wrong. I am simply questioning the logic. Real perpetrators will never be punished, poor Biharis or Jamati leaders shouldn't be suffering for something that happened back in '71. Is it wrong to say they were then helping the state?

 

[Zibago]

And what about General Ayub, General Yahya, General Tika Khan, and the so-called Tiger Niazi?

The Punjabi dominated establishment is mostly responsible for the poor relations.

Haseena Wajid is only delivering justice to some war criminals. She is not to blame.

They had to stop rebellion rules are bent in wars anyone who says something else is just clowning look at how Russia and Turkey deal with seperatists we were slow to react thats why we lost

I have no regret on what treatment was given to mukti supporters

How many of the said names in your post were Punjabis?

Technically speaking none