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I want to ask the respected members of the forum about your opinion on the future of Europe. More specifically - which countries will be pro-Russian in 2024, the last year of Putin's rule? We will consider that NATO and the EU have not changed, but pro-Russian politicians have come to power in some countries, and are ready to lift sanctions and form a Greater Europe including Russia.
I did not make the poll cause there are too many countries. So, please, write your answers and thoughts.
My list:
Hungary,
Bulgaria,
Serbia,
Czech Republic,
Slovakia,
Italy,
Austria,
Netherlands,
Greece,
Germany.
 
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EU and Russia are Two "Power" on the World Influence balance...
Both will find the best way to Keep their positions among themselves and with others.
Both Need each others...

EU is getting back that "Power" card since Trump/The US is becoming less and less reliable...
Russia is Trying to revive his "Soviet" Greatness... by activating her old Influence Channel around the globe...

Therefore No Greater Europe for now... you need a Common Goal or/And Enemy for such thing to happen...
NATO will mostly stay as it is... with some struggle of Power...
 
I want to ask the respected members of the forum about your opinion on the future of Europe. More specifically - which countries will be pro-Russian in 2024, the last year of Putin's rule? We will consider that NATO and the EU have not changed, but pro-Russian politicians have come to power in some countries -
Putin's policies are, essentially, the revival of the Russian Empire's policies but without the Tsar: to expand the territory Russia controls when attempting to destabilize and weaken governments and peoples outside Russia as a means to smooth the way for further Russian conquests. Economic sanctions don't matter so much because wealth and government-saving prestige are obtained through the robbery of conquered territories.

The more Putin succeeds, the poorer everyone other than the looters will be. So even if Putin manages by fair means or fall to install puppet or favored governments no country's people in Europe, at all, will be pro-Russian as long as Putin remains in power.
 
Before answering Vostok's questions I'll opine about what I think could, but probably wont, happen in Europe over the next decade.

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Putin's last year? He's going full Robot Nixon and ruling forever!

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I'm just joking of course, but I don't see him stepping down in the next decade at least. Like China's Xi, Putin has grand aspirations of not just a revived Russia, but remaking the global order. He's in this for the long haul.

As the Arctic continues to thaw, and resources become easier to exploit, Norway and Russia have a detente of sorts in an attempt to undercut Denmark, Canada, China and the US, who also claim swaths of the Arctic Ocean. Like they did with oil and gas expiration and agriculture, Norway and Russia come to an understanding that their expertise in resource management are better suited combined, rather than as competitors. Especially as heavy weights like China and Japan start to eye the Arctic with increased fervor.

Something like what Russia and Norway did with Shtokman field.

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The EU continues to slide into a state of being partially sundered by populist movements playing on national sentiment and backlash against Brussels. The UK however realizes it's made a mistake by cutting itself out of the EU completely and increases its
cooperation with the EU, if only just. The populist contagion of Italy and Greece further spreads to Poland, Spain and begins to seep into Sweden more so then today, weakening the EU further as far-right politics, driven by unfavorable economic conditions and a continuation of the migrant crisis. The EU survives, but is increasingly on life-support.

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Europe, learning the lessons from Trump and the inherent instability of the US political system, but uneasy about China and Russia's quasi-dictatorships becomes less willing to engage with either side diplomatically and focuses on economics, though they too become increasingly one sided in the face of Asian and North American heavyweights and populist/protectionist policies. This furthers Europe's own far-right shift to match.

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Russia continues to cause trouble in the Baltics, seeking to create conditions similar to those in Georgia and Ukraine, enduring conflicts in an attempt to fracture NATO and weaken the political situation of the Baltic nations, encourage pro-Russian political policies.

Northern Cyprus faces a revolt as Turkification increases in the North of the island. It's suppressed by the Turkish military on the island and Turkey takes full control over the territory. Relations with Europe decline as a result.

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Just a few
scenarios I can foresee happening on the continent.

My list:
Hungary,
Bulgaria,
Serbia,
Czech Republic,
Slovakia,
Italy,
Austria,
Netherlands,
Greece,
Germany.

Pro-Russian? The Czechs, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Serbs and Slovaks. They already oscillate between being in favor of greater integration with the EU and being more aligned with Russia as is.

The rest I can't see turning more to Russia, but like with the UK, Russia could influence politics in Germany and Italy to gain a foothold, similar to what we saw with President Trump and Brexit and the influence campaign linked to Russia.

We will consider that NATO and the EU have not changed, but pro-Russian politicians have come to power in some countries, and are ready to lift sanctions and form a Greater Europe including Russia.

Greater Europe with Russia? Even with pro-Russian parties that's just not happening. If anything I'd say we're in for further fracturing of Europe as populists gain footholds across the continent and the EU is targeted by its member states. Maybe a Pan-Scandinavian states? But more realistically we'll just see the continent continue to squabble rather then unify. It's the time honored European way.

The Socialist People's Republic of Greater Scandinavia, if we'd include Russia.

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Or the Scandinavian Union if just the four nations, maybe Finland and Estonia too.

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But with the Nordic Counsil nations putting more emphasis on themselves, at the expense of the rest of Europe, we'd like see a unified nation as a result of the Nordics and proto-Nordics (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania).

We may see increased cooperation with Russia, similar to what Norway and Russia had been doing with their energy and agricultural sectors prior to the Crimea crisis, but Russia's not likely to be coming into the European fold anytime soon. There are too many factors working against it. That's not the say individual nations would lift their sanctions on Russia or seek to increase ties/lessen tensions - I've always been in favor of expanded cultural and economic ties with Russia, considering we're neighbors with a long history of cordial ties - I just don't think Europe as a whole, or even half to be honest, would truly welcome Russia as a "European" nation. There's just too much bad blood that could subside for a time, but bubble up again at any moment.

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It's funny to imagine what Europe and NATO would be like if Russia had actually accepted an invitation to become part of NATO. Alas that's but a dream at this point.
 
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Most Countries will but UK and France will probably be reluctant.
 
Northern Cyprus faces a revolt as Turkification increases in the North of the island. It's suppressed by the Turkish military on the island and Turkey takes full control over the territory. Relations with Europe decline as a result.
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Northern Cyprus is already almost exclusively populated by Turks.
 
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Northern Cyprus is already almost exclusively populated by Turks.

I know, but it's about an 85-15 split (maybe tilted slightly more in favor of the Turks). I'm just pondering the possibility of a scenario similar to China's Tibet where the local population, what remains of it, continues to resist the cultural and economic influence. There have been some rumblings on the Islands Northern half recently due to religious pressure and influence from Turkey, and that could (and is, but not to an egregious extent) cause bristling between the two sides. Remember, some 80% of Cypriots, North and South, are Catholic (75-25 split in the North). Increasing the influence of outside religions, part of what we call Turkification, will cause some tensions.

In Norway the decline of Lutheranism (the Church of Norway) and the relative increase of Islam in the country, though a mammoth divide at the moment of 85-2.5% is starting to cause tensions here too.

Don't take what I wrote as an indicator of what I think is going to happen, just what could based on movements today.
 
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I know, but it's about an 85-15 split (maybe tilted slightly more in favor of the Turks). I'm just pondering the possibility of a scenario similar to China's Tibet where the local population, what remains of it, continues to resist the cultural and economic influence. There have been some rumblings on the Islands Northern half recently due to religious pressure and influence from Turkey, and that could (and is, but not to an egregious extent) cause bristling between the two sides.

Don't take what I wrote as an indicator of what I think is going to happen, just what could based on movements today.
Well its hard to find reliable numbers but according to wiki minorities total number in north is around 1000 compared to 200k population.
 
I want to ask the respected members of the forum about your opinion on the future of Europe. More specifically - which countries will be pro-Russian in 2024, the last year of Putin's rule? We will consider that NATO and the EU have not changed, but pro-Russian politicians have come to power in some countries, and are ready to lift sanctions and form a Greater Europe including Russia.
I did not make the poll cause there are too many countries. So, please, write your answers and thoughts.
My list:
Hungary,
Bulgaria,
Serbia,
Czech Republic,
Slovakia,
Italy,
Austria,
Netherlands,
Greece,
Germany.


That will never happen, when they do something like that they will face punishment like stopping with funds. In the end the countries with the most money are the decision maker and not slovakia, Hungary or Bulgaria:-).
 
during clod war, americans tried to use european countries as a proxy against russia.this policy of americans is working well.france,germany and england thinks that america is protecting them from russia.reverse is true.america is just using these countries as a proxy.recent baltic sea aggression shows that america wants to get as much closer to russia as possible.american policy related to russia is consistent.it doesn't matter who is the president.they all see russia as their enemy and they all use NATO as a weapon against russia.we all know what america is doing on the borders of lithuania.america knows that russia is strong so it can't fight alone against russia.NATO is basically a proxy and anti russian feelings are on the rise in europe,thanks to american dictatorship.
these countries might be pro russian in 2024..
Hungary,
Bulgaria,
Serbia,
Czech Republic,
Slovakia,
Italy,
Austria.
 
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