From Arabization to Turkfication Ertugrul and Pakistani Nationalism

[Yankee-stani]

ABCD Republican anti-immigrant Muslim, who can't speak Urdu, and is only half Pakistani, but believes all of Pakistanis are confused about their identity.

He is not the only one of this mentality. This is narrative building, they are trying to promote divisions among Pakistanis and Turks, Arabs, Afghans, etc.

We Pakistanis who watch our daily Pakistani news shows, late night comedy skits, poetry, travel and in touch with Pakistan on a daily basis.

They are trying to speak for us. Destroy the opinion of Pakistanis in front of others.

I can't tell you how many times I met an Arab brother or other ethnicity telling me they heard negative things about Pakistan from some diaspora uncle or some ABCD (American born confused desi) kid.

I had to correct such people with proper knowledge.

I am not even a member of any of two part duopoly and yes I watch Pakistani content and much it has the same problems as the media here too

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I learned here that there are Pakistanis... mostly are hiding behind all kinds of cliques while trying to show his/her indoctrinate level... who cannot express their personal hatred to Turkey openly...

They try to give opinions like an expert in areas where they are mostly ignorant, even without any historical knowledge... Or, as seen here, they try to pursue Pakistani identity polemics over on TV series...

We know these methods well, we have experienced many deep psychological warfare organizations in the recent past. I am sure Pakistani who can analyze the fight with India in depth and have experience over a certain age have the same awareness.

The customer of what is tried to be sold here will be other raw/age of internet people who are only on the verge of the same knowledge and radius.

Alhamdulilah brother. You have analyzed the situation quite well for a Non-Pakistani.

Notice that these people are the ones who try to pass of their own inadequacies as facts and extrapolate it on all Pakistanis.

As a son of the soil, I deeply resent such people. I mean, as far as I can remember, my ancestors have all been Punjabis, and their ancestors before them. Sure some married Mughal Timur descendants and some Ozbeks Oghuz, etc. but we are still Punjabi.

Come visit Pakistan brother, you will learn to appreciate our culture. I wish all Turks can see our country, it will improve ties between us. Many of us Pakistanis have seen Turkey and we only have praise for your people. May Allah swt bless both our countries.

I am not even a member of any of two part duopoly and yes I watch Pakistani content and much it has the same problems as the media here too

Never ran on Republican party ticket? Are you sure?

 

[Yankee-stani]

Never ran on Republican party ticket? Are you sure? [/QUOTE]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fusion

I ran on multiple party lines not just GOP and I got the GOP line as an Independent candidate as usual more assumptions you have fallen as a decent member

 

[bsruzm]

ABCD Republican anti-immigrant Muslim, who can't speak Urdu, and is only half Pakistani, but believes all of Pakistanis are confused about their identity.

Is this true?

 

[Yankee-stani]

Is this true?

So

 

[bsruzm]

So

Ridiculous.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Is this true?

I respect his father, who is our Pakistani uncle, so I will not divulge anymore.

However yes, our guest here is 100% Republican alt-right social media creation. As if his anti-immigrant, anti-black, and anti-Turk sentiment was not proof enough.

I don't understand how a scion of a Pakistani immigrant and Latino immigrant can become like this.

Some more grounding is needed, learning Urdu, Islam, and sitting down (sar jhuk ke, head down) and learning from Pakistani dad.

Now @OsmanAli98 Stop begging for my attention please and take care of your own complex.

We Pakistanis know exactly who we are. We don't need to justify our love of Islam or Turkey (our greatest brother country) to an outsider.

 

[Salmanov]

The problem is Pakistan is ruled by invaders most of its Islamic history expect for Pashtun and sikh Punjabi empire and since Pakistan was founded as Islamic state they can’t go to the pre Islamic history unlike Iraq and Egypt or Iran that’s why they look at a foreign Islamic invaders just because their country is built on religious cause and not on a nationalistic cause like Iraq, Egypt and Iran

 

[Yankee-stani]

I respect his father, who is our Pakistani uncle, so I will not divulge anymore.

However yes, our guest here is 100% Republican alt-right social media creation. As if his anti-immigrant, anti-black, and anti-Turk sentiment was not enough.

I don't understand how a scion of a Pakistani immigrant and Latino immigrant can become like this.

Some more grounding is needed, learning Urdu, Islam, and sitting down (sar jhuk ke, head down) and learning from Pakistani dad.

Now @OsmanAli98 Stop begging for my attention please and take care of your own complex.

We Pakistanis know exactly who we are. We don't need to justify our love of Islam or Turkey (our greatest brother country) to an outsider.

Go take care of your own complex I mean you were beating by some Half Tajik in another thread a while back

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The problem is Pakistan is ruled by invaders most of its Islamic history accept for Pashtun and sikh Punjabi empire and since Pakistan was founded as Islamic state they can’t go to the pre Islamic history unlike Iraq and Egypt or Iran that’s why they look at a foreign Islamic invaders just because their country is built on religious cause and not on a nationalistic cause like Iraq, Egypt and Iran

We consider Afghan rulers as our own. Please do not comment on things you do not know about.

 

[Salmanov]

We consider Afghan rulers as our own. Please do not comment on things you do not know about.

Or maybe you should read what I said again?

I said the only native Pakistani empire were the Pashtuns and the Punjabi Sikh empires

 

[Yankee-stani]

I look at this way Turkification might not be bad maybe Pakistanis could learn some Kemalism and what lead to Turkish success in the first place :D:tup:@Indus Pakistan

 

[Itachi]

@OsmanAli98 stop calling it "turkification" lol

No such thing is happening. No "arabization" took place either.....people borrow from others since the dawn of time, whether it be tech, food, clothing, cultures and make it their own. Very good points have been made in this thread so I won't go further expanding on my thoughts. Just wanted to say that you and @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan should stop fighting. Peace guys

 

[dBSPL]

Come visit Pakistan brother, you will learn to appreciate our culture. I wish all Turks can see our country, it will improve ties between us. Many of us Pakistanis have seen Turkey and we only have praise for your people. May Allah swt bless both our countries.

I was planning visit Pakistan with my wife. I have done a lot of study onthis subject. It would be a great experience for us to discover the magnificent nature of Northern Pakistan valleys of course after feeling the historical and cultural texture . However, Covid has turned all our plans upside down, at least for near future.

But I'm sure there is a heart-to-heart bridge between our societies. I hope this deep love bond will be our greatest legacy that we will leave to our next generations.

 

[anatolia]

Ertugrul’ sparks questions over Pakistani nationalism
The Turkish drama series is highly popular, but Pakistan needs less, not more, foreign inspiration
By GHAZANFAR ALI GAREWALMAY 28, 2020

A family in Islamabad watch the Turkish drama series Dirilis: Ertugrul telecast on Pakistan's state-run channel PTV Home during the holy month of Ramadan. Photo: AFP / Aamir Qureshi
Last October, Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan suggested that his countrymen watch a historic action thriller, Drilis: Ertugrul (“Resurrection: Ertugrul”). Aired on Netflix, this Turkish drama series claims international viewership. The Ertugrul craze reached unimaginable heights in Pakistan.

Although Turkish drama series have been aired before in Pakistan, Ertugrul is breaking all the previous records. According to a rough estimate, around 134 million people watched it from April 25 to May 14. As requested by Prime Minister Khan, Ertugrul was dubbed in Urdu and aired on the state-run channel PTV. The viewership of PTV’s YouTube channel has gone above 2 million while the popularity of series increasing with every passing day.

It would be an altogether different debate if, in Pakistan, Ertugrul were projected and perceived just as a drama. However, its depiction and description as a source of inspiration has exposed layers confusion that shroud the issue of nationalism in Pakistan.

In October 2019, Imran Khan expressed his dissatisfaction with the content of Pakistani drama serials. He criticized the national film industry for its imitation of Indian and American cinema. According to him, revival of past Islamic glory, remembrance of Muslim heroes and presenting narratives that are driven by the Muslim world instead of the West were compelling reasons to air Ertugrul.

In many ways, he seems to be right, but what is this Pakistani obsession with importing foreign ideologies, heroes and history when it comes to shaping the contours of nationalism in the country?


Imported confusions?
There are three main layers of confusion in which Pakistaniat (Pakistani nationalism) is shrouded. The first is internal.

Pakistan is a diverse multi-ethnic nation. It is a nation divided among Sindhis, Balochis, Pashtuns and Pathans. Ethnic debates have not been settled. This issue keeps stirring up political troubles on the floors of the National Assembly and the Senate.

The second layer is Pakistan’s affiliation with the Muslim world.

From its inception, the debate that embroiled a nascent Pakistan in never-ending internal strife was its status as an Islamic Republic. Since then, the country has been divided among hardcore religious ideologues and secular liberals, with no moderate scion in sight.

We affiliate ourselves with Saudi Arabia because of our Sunni majority, and with Iran because of the Shiite population in the country. Riyadh and Tehran can be labeled as hardcore religious conservatives in the Muslim world. Pakistan’s associating with them implies a trickle-down effect of religious ideologies in the minds of its nationals.

The perilous effects can be seen in the form of Islamabad’s involvement in Afghan jihad in the 1980s, the Sunni-Shia rift, and mushrooming growth of religious militant outfits in the country.

As if associating with the two poles of the Islamic world were not enough, our statesmen try to bring us closer to Malaysia, known as a progressive, liberal Muslim country. But the saga of Pakistan’s foreign attachments remains incomplete if Turkey is left out. One shade brighter, Istanbul is more progressive than Malaysia. Its progressive Western leanings are hard for Pakistanis to digest. Pakistani viewers, when they became aware of the Ertugrul cast’s Western lifestyles, began to post their resentment on social media.

In the end, what model or nation in the Islamic world do our statesmen want to present for Pakistanis to follow?

The third layer originates from Pakistan’s political inspirations from the Western world.

When Pakistan was a British colony, it followed the British political system. However, later on, when a parliamentary form of government did not go well with on-again, off-again military interventions, the US presidential system began to trend. To this day, Pakistani politicians and relevant stakeholders are unable to decide exactly which form of government suits the country. The pendulum of power keeps swinging from a parliamentary to a presidential system while the nation remains confused.

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GHAZANFAR ALI GAREWAL

Ghazanfar Ali Garewal is a lecturer in the international relations department of the National University of Modern Languages in Islamabad and coordinator of the department. He holds an MS degree in international cooperation from Yonsei University, Seoul, an MSc in international relations from Quaid-i-Azam University, Islamabad, and an MA in English from NUML. More by Ghazanfar Ali Garewal

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