From ancient Hindutva civilization to Kashmir, humanity and women are oppressed

[Nityam]

Right, sati, not allowing widows to remarry and forcing peasants to commit suicide are such "caring" acts.

So now that all that is not there, why are you whining in pdf ? Enjoy the society you have created. I don't give a single Fcuk. .

But why should anybody be abandoned ? Points to a broken society. So why don't you start propagating for socialism where humans wouldn't be abandoned for very avoidable reasons ?

It IS a broken society. The gaps of which are filled up by "Laws" and government and "court orders".

Congratulations to the communists and "rationalists" for breaking it.

Why are you begging for my help ? I am part of the Hindu old guard, so go beg for help from your "socialist" and "progressive" pals.

I am going to sit back and enjoy the fun watching you go round in circles, trying to replace what took thousands of years to build.

Right, Brahmin-led Indian society from "10,000 BC" was the height of human accomplishment.

As a matter of fact, IT WAS.

The cradle of Human civilization, the fountain head of science, maths, literature, warfare, architecture, astronomy, medicine and Spirituality. The birth place of schools, Universities, research and scientific observations.

 

[FlashGordon]

OK.



Sure, like private ownership of land and means of production, which is why I promote modern socialism and communism.



Islam promises more equality to women than the other religions.

Please read my linked thread.



Indeed, traditional Indian society sadly never cared whether one lived or died, hence the countless suicides here because of unnecessary and artificial socio-economic reasons.



Firstly, why were those widows abandoned in the first place ? That does not reflect well on their native religion.

Secondly, I will quote from that NDTV article :

I will surely read and get back to you. If Islam is good for women, its a good news for humanity and hope for everyone. If what you say is correct than it is the issue of delivery of Islam. Maybe people should read the book themself abd don't get misguided by preachers.

 

[jamahir]

Congratulations to the communists and "rationalists" for breaking it.

So why hasn't it been righted in the last six years ?

As a matter of fact, IT WAS.

The cradle of Human civilization, the fountain head of science, maths, literature, warfare, architecture, astronomy, medicine and Spirituality. The birth place of schools, Universities, research and scientific observations.

Yes, space travel, internet, satellite communication, in vitro fertilization etc etc.

So what happened to the large, much-resourced Indian government organization ISRO, in existence for 58 years, unable to send people to space, and then there is the small, much-lesser-resourced private group SpaceX, in existence for 18 years and which has already sent two people to the International Space Station and will send for four more in a few days ?

SpaceX is building and testing its Mars transportation spacecraft Starship which it says will do an unmanned round of Mars in four years from now. Did SpaceX consult ancient Indian spacecraft design manuals ?

 

[Nityam]

I will surely read and get back to you. If Islam is good for women, its a good news for humanity and hope for everyone. If what you say is correct than it is the issue of delivery of Islam. Maybe people should read the book themself abd don't get misguided by preachers.

Zakir Naik has read the book and he knows it inside out and back.

They can listen to him if they don't know how to read Arabic, right ?

So why hasn't it been righted in the last six years ?

Why ask me ? Go ask your congress or socialist leaders.

Yes, space travel, internet, satellite communication, in vitro fertilization etc etc.

So what happened to the large, much-resourced Indian government organization ISRO, in existence for 58 years, unable to send people to space, and then there is the small, much-lesser-resourced private group SpaceX, in existence for 18 years and which has already two people to the International Space Station and will send for four more in a few days ?

SpaceX is building and testing its Mars transportation spacecraft Starship which it says will do an unmanned round of Mars in four years from now. Did SpaceX consult ancient Indian spacecraft design manuals ?

File an RTI and get the answer directly from ISRO.

Regarding SpaceX, write a mail to its Musk to get answers to your questions. Tell him you are a great islamic socialist from India. That should get his attention.

 

[jamahir]

Zakir Naik has read the book and he knows it inside out and back.

They can listen to him if they don't know how to read Arabic, right ?

@FlashGordon, don't listen to Nityam. Zakir Naik is no one. It is old-style Muslim progressives like Jamal Abdul Nasser and Gaddafi who understood the spirit of Islam.

Maybe people should read the book themself abd don't get misguided by preachers.

That, sir, is the crux of the matter.

File an RTI and get the answer directly from ISRO.

Regarding SpaceX, write a mail to its Musk to get answers to your questions. Tell him you are a great islamic socialist from India. That should get his attention.

 

[W.11]

lets not designate past indians as ''hindu civilization'' what was buddhism? buddhist civilization? hindus are the prime product of colonial brainwashing and a hindu nazi fanatic movement which emerged in early 20th century, there were hindu extremists even before but they were not organised.

regards

 

[Nityam]

lets not designate past indians as ''hindu civilization'' what was buddhism? buddhist civilization? hindus are the prime product of colonial brainwashing and a hindu nazi fanatic movement which emerged in early 20th century, there were hindu extremists even before but they were not organised.

regards

How is Buddhism any different from Hinduism ?

Its just another form of Nastika Hinduism like Jaina or Charvaka.

 

[FlashGordon]

@FlashGordon, don't listen to Nityam. Zakir Naik is no one. It is old-style Muslim progressives like Jamal Abdul Nasser and Gaddafi who understood the spirit of Islam.



That, sir, is the crux of the matter.

Zakir Nayak may have read it but I have heard him. He is not being honest and has his own agenda.

If religion is so important to anyone, he should make an effort to read the original source / book and not be dependent on someone interpretation. You can work with language issue with so much AI available. This should be the first gospel principle for any seeker.

Only people with no Agenda, no lust for power or money and no desire to intervene and change God's Will can teach one really.

 

[FAROOQ RASHID BUTT]

Some facts in response to Western and Hindutva critics of women's rights in Islam.

History proves that before Islam, women had no rights. She was buried alive like a corpse. She was an oppressed sex and every virtue was for men. For them, the root of evil in the world and the real cause of death was the existence of women. According to Westermarck, even modern civilization has not given women the status they deserved.

According to this, the evolution of civilization has further reduced the status of women by widening the gaps between men and women. But Islamic civilization has made woman not only a great place, but the most important part of the universe.

And then the message of eternal freedom and mercy became real for every woman from every slavery, humiliation and sexual and physical oppression and exploitation.

When that Sun of prophet hood Muhammad ( pbuh) shone, the darkness that had covered the destiny of a woman from time immemorial was removed. Islam invalidated all outdated rituals that violated the dignity of Eve's daughter. Islam has given women the respectable status that deserves equal respect in society.

I reject the Western or Hindutva’s accusation that Islam is against women's emancipation and participation in economic affairs. Islam is neither an obstacle to a woman's education nor a threat to her active role in economic development, but yes religion does set some ideological and moral boundaries for women.

 

[W.11]

How is Buddhism any different from Hinduism ?

Its just another form of Nastika Hinduism like Jaina or Charvaka.

buddhists historically called hindus non believers/kafirs, and vice versa, there are records of hindus destroying buddhist texts and tussle between them, Hinduism is a syncronized religion, it originated in Haryana and then it started engulfing local/folk religions hence increasing its pantheon and ideas as it spread all over India. the core area of hindu influence was designated bharat varsha while areas where buddhism originate were not included in bharat.

please get educated on your own history.

regards

 

[Nityam]

buddhists historically called hindus non believers/kafirs, and vice versa, there are records of hindus destroying buddhist texts and tussle between them, Hinduism is a syncronized religion, it originated in Haryana and then it started engulfing local/folk religions hence increasing its pantheon and ideas as it spread all over India. the core area of hindu influence was designated bharat varsha while areas where buddhism originate were not included in bharat.

please get educated on your own history.

regards

Utter RUBBISH.

There is NO CONCEPT of "Kafir" in ANY Dharmic Religion.

Buddha himself promoted Varna defined in the Vedas and claimed Brahmins and Kshtriys to be supeior and hence all Buddha's only came from these two Varna.

Buddha himself claimed lineage from the dynasty of Lord Rama and his Ikshvaku Dynasty.

Buddhism called Rama a Pratyeka Buddha or special manifestation of the Buddha Mind.

In the Mahayana Mahaparinirvaṇa Sutra, the Buddha say's,

"in truth there is the Self [atman] in all dharmas. The Self (ātman) is reality (tattva), the Self is permanent (nitya), the Self is virtue (guna), the Self is eternal (sasvata), the Self is stable (dhruva), the Self is peace (siva).” (- Chapter 3, “Grief”).

This is pretty much what the Vedas say and Upanishads explain.


If that is not enough, Let me quote the Dalai Lama,

“When I say that Buddhism is a part of Hinduism, certain people criticize me. But if I were to say that Hinduism and Buddhism are totally different, it would not be in conformity with truth.” — Dalai Lama

Please don't pretend to know more about Buddhism that the Dalai Lama, the spiritual head of Buddhists.


No selective cherry picking of History can change what is know to every Hindu and Buddhist and is the enternal truth. That Buddhism is just another marga of Hinduism.


And here is the Dalit buddhist leader saying the same thing,

“When the Buddha differed from the Vedic Brahmins, he did so only in matters of creed, but left the Hindu legal framework intact. He did not propound a separate law for his followers. The same was the case with Mahavir and the ten Sikh Gurus.” — Dr.Ambedkar


Your infantile "history of Hinduism" is best fed to the ignorant pakistanis who will take it as the gospel truth.

 

[xeuss]

Utter RUBBISH.

There is NO CONCEPT of "Kafir" in ANY Dharmic Religion.

Buddha himself promoted Varna defined in the Vedas and claimed Brahmins and Kshtriys to be supeior and hence all Buddha's only came from these two Varna.

Buddha himself claimed lineage from the dynasty of Lord Rama and his Ikshvaku Dynasty.

Buddhism called Rama a Pratyeka Buddha or special manifestation of the Buddha Mind.

In the Mahayana Mahaparinirvaṇa Sutra, the Buddha say's,

"in truth there is the Self [atman] in all dharmas. The Self (ātman) is reality (tattva), the Self is permanent (nitya), the Self is virtue (guna), the Self is eternal (sasvata), the Self is stable (dhruva), the Self is peace (siva).” (- Chapter 3, “Grief”).

This is pretty much what the Vedas say and Upanishads explain.


If that is not enough, Let me quote the Dalai Lama,

“When I say that Buddhism is a part of Hinduism, certain people criticize me. But if I were to say that Hinduism and Buddhism are totally different, it would not be in conformity with truth.” — Dalai Lama

Please don't pretend to know more about Buddhism that the Dalai Lama, the spiritual head of Buddhists.


No selective cherry picking of History can change what is know to every Hindu and Buddhist and is the enternal truth. That Buddhism is just another marga of Hinduism.


And here is the Dalit buddhist leader saying the same thing,

“When the Buddha differed from the Vedic Brahmins, he did so only in matters of creed, but left the Hindu legal framework intact. He did not propound a separate law for his followers. The same was the case with Mahavir and the ten Sikh Gurus.” — Dr.Ambedkar


Your infantile "history of Hinduism" is best fed to the ignorant pakistanis who will take it as the gospel truth.

Just wanted to say here that everything you have stated above is utter crap and far from the truth.

 

[FAROOQ RASHID BUTT]

Utter RUBBISH.

There is NO CONCEPT of "Kafir" in ANY Dharmic Religion.

The only cure for your lake of knowledge is further study. Kufr is a Urdu word and its basically from Arabic language, literally means denial ، so it means denial of any religion or ideology. He who denies Hinduism is a kaafir for Hinduism and he who is against Islam is a kafir of Islam. KUFR means disbelief and one who denies is called a KAFIR

Means that anyone who denies ( does kufr) the teachings of Christianity or acting against Christianity. He is a disbeliever ( Kafir ) of Christianity. And he who does not adhere to the basic teachings of Hinduism is a practically denier ( kafir ) of Hinduism.

 

[W.11]

Utter RUBBISH.

There is NO CONCEPT of "Kafir" in ANY Dharmic Religion.

yes i was fed this hindu propaganda as well until i came across some crucial evidence

The 1,000-year-old manuscript and the stories it tells | Cambridge University Library

One of the greatest treasures of Cambridge University Library is a Buddhist manuscript that was produced in Kathmandu exactly 1,000 years ago. The exquisitely-illustrated Perfection of Wisdom is still revealing fresh secrets.

www.lib.cam.ac.uk

“We know that Karunavajra saved the manuscript because he added a note in verse form,” said Dr Camillo Formigatti of the Sanskrit Manuscripts Project. “He states that he rescued the ‘Perfection of Wisdom, incomparable Mother of the Omniscient’ from falling into the hands of unbelievers who were most probably people of Brahmanical affiliation.”

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there are even more instances where buddhists have declared hindus as non believers which in arabic equivalent of word kafir (non believer).

another evidence

here a hindu has declared Buddhists as heretics.

"The Nurses should be able to Sing and Play Instruments." The Evidence for Early Hospitals in South Asia

Now updated and published as Wujastyk, Dominik. 2022. “The Evidence for Hospitals in Early India”. History of Science in South Asia 10: 1-43. https://doi.org/10.18732/hssa70.

www.academia.edu

 

[FAROOQ RASHID BUTT]

yes i was fed this hindu propaganda as well until i came across some crucial evidence

The 1,000-year-old manuscript and the stories it tells | Cambridge University Library

One of the greatest treasures of Cambridge University Library is a Buddhist manuscript that was produced in Kathmandu exactly 1,000 years ago. The exquisitely-illustrated Perfection of Wisdom is still revealing fresh secrets.

www.lib.cam.ac.uk

“We know that Karunavajra saved the manuscript because he added a note in verse form,” said Dr Camillo Formigatti of the Sanskrit Manuscripts Project. “He states that he rescued the ‘Perfection of Wisdom, incomparable Mother of the Omniscient’ from falling into the hands of unbelievers who were most probably people of Brahmanical affiliation.”

-----

there are even more instances where buddhists have declared hindus as non believers which in arabic equivalent of word kafir (non believer).

another evidence

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here a hindu has declared Buddhists as heretics.

"The Nurses should be able to Sing and Play Instruments." The Evidence for Early Hospitals in South Asia

Now updated and published as Wujastyk, Dominik. 2022. “The Evidence for Hospitals in Early India”. History of Science in South Asia 10: 1-43. https://doi.org/10.18732/hssa70.

www.academia.edu

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