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France's Beef With Islam

What kind of ranting is this? Is it really a response to my post?
the thread is not about animal suffering
but what happened in France
so i am explaining you why this is making noise here

sorry if you get upset about it.

discussion about suffer of animals is another subject . this is a delicate discussion to have in this forum.
and i don't think it is a good idea.
 
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Yes we still remember how Muslim armies clashed with eachother more fiercely than with Hindu armies for dominance over South Asia.

You history books say that Muslims committed atrocities against Indians not other Muslims.
But in Islam if a group of Muslims is unjust towards others like Hindus in you case than other Muslim armies are allowed to fight this particular group very fiercely indeed until it stops its injustice, hence the clashes you were talking about.
 
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Muslims enjoy their women without fuss and give them more respect and freedom than the western cultures .
Friday prayers in Paris is a socio-political issue-not enough mosques for Muslims-[/QUOTE]
 
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Indeed in France there is an association (animals association) that said that when a French person is buying beef, he doesn't know if the beef is prepared as for Jews and Muslims, or the way French are used to it.
The association complains about the fact that the sellers of the beef don't say to the client about this. They ask a label on any product so the client who didn't like the way the animal is killed, could decide himself .
I think this is fair .

Fact is that it was first used by fascist parti (national front) as political argue: they were liing and said that most of the meat in Paris region is halal.
There was then a little study to say there was some halal meat that was not indicated as halal, and the government used it ... because they try to get the national front votes: Sarkozy is almost sure to loose the elections and he desesperately look for anything to help to win.

A study showed that the halah meat is around 10-15% of the meat in the Paris region.

Anyway prime minister said in radio channel that this was old time methods to kill animals, owned by ancient ages.
Jews and Muslims together complained about these words.

This is very political.

But you know .. it was much worst , really worst words nowadays used by Sarkozy:
he said there are too many Foreigners in France and France needs to divide by two the number of foreigners accepted in the territory... indeed he won't do something like that but again he wants to take the part of national front votes !

Socialists are on the way for having the next presidency here... easily.

I shiver at the thought of it.

Europe cannot survive a socialist in this economy and rest of the world would have to pay for it.
 
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"muslims give them (women) more respect and freedom than the western cultures"

cough, cough, .... cough!!!

I just cannot refrain from laughing for such an outstanding joke!!!

How about the rights to freely vote, receive education, drive, work, dress freely, marry and etc...

Please do not give out such a lie here. Wow, good one. You do not have a red face for saying such lie???

Muslims enjoy their women without fuss and give them more respect and freedom than the western cultures .
Friday prayers in Paris is a socio-political issue-not enough mosques for Muslims-
 
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When in Rome do as the Romans.Don't like it pack up and leave ASAP no questions asked.No body questions Saudis when they force every non muslim woman to wear burqa.As i said if you don't like the way it is in France just get the hell out of there and go to your own paradise instead of cribbing.Same holds for SaudiArab or Iran or whatever country.

sorry sir, but saudi and iran never claimed that they are secular states
the french government has made the secular thoughts into a way to discriminating religions

and in saudi no one is forced to wear burqa
I Know that because I see all kinds of people in my city
and I see them even without a hijab
The only thing here is u must wear something modest
and if not wear the abaya


My indian naighbour allways goes around the city with her modest dressing and no one forced her into wearing any thing
and she is not muslim, she is hindu I guess
 
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"muslims give them (women) more respect and freedom than the western cultures"

cough, cough, .... cough!!!

I just cannot refrain from laughing for such an outstanding joke!!!

How about the rights to freely vote, receive education, drive, work, dress freely, marry and etc...

Please do not give out such a lie here. Wow, good one. You do not have a red face for saying such lie???

:lol: :lol:

Dude , your Chinese genes aren't working? Another dumbass Westerner. So according to you , the bolded things aren't there for Muslim women? When are you getting out of your hole?

Just for a tid bid ...Go google the women to men ratio in Qatar and then compare it with US? :azn:

Why not compare the number of Tunisia's women parliamentarians vs women in Australian congress or probably even US? :azn:

Go read stats for number Iranian girls graduates ? :azn:

The largest Islamic countries (Pakistan , Indonesia , Bangladesh etc etc) have had women leader of the nation for SEVERAL TIMES .... how many times a women led US? :azn:

I live in America ...but... I have also lived in Muslim countries (two of them)....let me tell you...there are many things/rights/protection that American girls have while Muslim girls in Muslim societies don't have (at such large scale) BUT there are MANY things/rights/protections that girls in Muslim societies which American girls don't have (generally) .....

Also , don't tell me that Americans "respect" girls more ... Referring to a girl as a "*****" , "Slut" , "*****" etc is COMMON...its NORMAL USAGE of the society (specially the young generation)... Objectification of girls in US is BEYOND imagination . . . Girls feel so much pressure that they start wearing make-up from 7/8th grades! !!!!! Atleast in that aspect , Muslim girls are WAY more respected...They don't have to wear make-up in middle/high schools :usflag:

The only thing you can do is to read your media and live like a "frog in the well" i.e ..knowing NOTHING about the world.

Just out of curiosity , in how many Muslim countries have you lived? Ok lets make it easier for you since you are American.....Living aside , how many Muslim countries have you "visited" ? (Though a visit doesn't tell anyone much but still) ......

Social problems are everywhere . . . . Why only focus on them ?
 
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Did I ask anyone to eat haraam? I am a practicing Muslim myself, I not only eat "Halal" food, but Zabiha & Halal food. I lived in the US for 10 years, stopped eating meat completely (besides fish), & practically became a vegan.

In US I found majority of people eating non-Zabiha food saying it's Halal, I was among one of them; I was told that as the people who cut the animal are 'People of the Book' so, the food is Halal; the way animal is slaughtered in US is also by cutting the jugular vein, so, it's similar to the 'Zibh'.

In Britain, hardly any Muslim (Pakistani) eats non-Halal food. The biggest reason could be the easy availability of Halal food here. But, this could also be due to the history of people that affects their attitudes towards other people. In US, majority of Muslims are not only educated, a lot of them are from Middle East where Christians and Jews were a part of their communities. They lived together for centuries and in pluralistic, multi-faith communities. The xenophobic cultural tendencies had a lesser probability to develop. They considered them to be 'People of the Book' and ate the meat cut by them. The tradition of an openness remained with these Muslims when they emigrated to the New World.

In UK, most of the Muslim community are descendants of migrants from rural areas of Azad Kashmir. The area was backward, educational opportunities were few, 'People of the Book' were either absent or were the descendants of Indigenous Sub-continental inhabitants. These people had suffered as 'Untouchables' under the Brahmanic religion, the Hindus (or Buddhists/Sikhs) that converted to Islam had similar disdainful attitudes towards these people as their non-Muslim kins. That prejudicial view persisted when they emigrated to UK. On the top of that, the Mullah factor had already classed the Christians, Jews as Kaffirs. So, even what was allowed by Quran was declared 'Haram' by Mullahs.

I still sometimes eat fast food from restaurants which do not sell 'Halal Certified' food. I consider it 'Halal', but non-Zabihah. Even if it is not Halal, eating it is probably one of the 'minor misdemeanor' in Islam.
 
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France is rightly worried.....muslims in France approximately 3MM of them are in fact changing the country's landscape , though nothing can stop this phenomenon.....Le Monde journalists even came to Pakistan to understand the phenomenon of Tableeghi Jammat and why its getting so popular in France.
 
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France is rightly worried.....muslims in France approximately 3MM of them are in fact changing the country's landscape , though nothing can stop this phenomenon.....Le Monde journalists even came to Pakistan to understand the phenomenon of Tableeghi Jammat and why its getting so popular in France.

Wait...Tabeeghs? :blink:
 
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"muslims give them (women) more respect and freedom than the western cultures"

cough, cough, .... cough!!!

I just cannot refrain from laughing for such an outstanding joke!!!

How about the rights to freely vote, receive education, drive, work, dress freely, marry and etc...

Please do not give out such a lie here. Wow, good one. You do not have a red face for saying such lie???


You are talking about SA, This is an exception, since it is the last bastion and most sacred place in Islam, we do not want your cultural values to come even near that place. we have given you many Muslim secular places to play in, and even them won't accept your corrupt and twisted ways of live.
Sorry buddy, no offence but please educate yourself about Islam, so you won't be a laughing stock for people in this forum.
 
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France is rightly worried.....muslims in France approximately 3MM of them are in fact changing the country's landscape , though nothing can stop this phenomenon.....Le Monde journalists even came to Pakistan to understand the phenomenon of Tableeghi Jammat and why its getting so popular in France.
never heard about it.
Muslims here are mostly from North Africa. They are very different than in our region.
People from Iran or Pakistan are rare here.

the only Pakistani i could see on TV is a comic (show man): excellent by the way.
ah my wife once helped a Pakistani to go to the place he was looking for (a military guy who was doing a stage here)...
 
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