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France's Beef With Islam

French, like many other Western people do not have a beef with Islam. They are however wary of the major share of violent crimes committed by immigrants. France's banlieue are plagued by crime and violence.

Illustrative example from Britain:

Rochdale child-sex trial: 'Victim woke up being raped'

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All the men deny conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with children under the age of 16

An alleged victim of a child sex ring has told a court of the moment she awoke to find she was being raped.

The girl described being "picked up" with her friend by three Asian men whom she did not know who took them to a house in Freehold, Greater Manchester.

The girl, then 15, said four other men had joined them and she had got drunk on shots before falling asleep.

At Liverpool Crown Court, all the men deny conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with children under 16.

'Heavy breathing'
Jurors were played police video interviews with the girl, the third alleged victim, who is now aged 17.

She told police she and her friend had gone to an upstairs bedroom and fallen asleep but later in the night the men in the house had started to come in "asking for sex" or "jiggy-jiggy".

The girl said she had gone back to sleep but woke to find a man was raping her.

She said she had felt "heavy breathing" on her neck and "screamed" when she realised what was happening.

The girl said the man - whom she described as being the "chilled" member in the group - had "bad breath" and was on top of her.

"He was having sex with me," she said.

The girl said she had told the man "no" when he was on top of her and that it had made her feel "horrible" and "gross".

But the man "carried on", the court heard. She said it had lasted for about five minutes.

The girl described twice being violently raped at a house in Kensington Street, Rochdale.

She said the owner, a man she called Shah, would grab her neck and slap her face if she tried to stop him kissing her.

'Cut yourself'
She described another occasion at the same address when a man she named as Hamid slit his own wrist, causing "deep, deep" cuts, before threatening to slit her throat unless she had sex with him.

She said: "Something was mentioned about sex. He asked me if I wanted to and I said no and he said: 'I will cut you.'

"I said 'cut yourself' and he came up to me with the razor blade, put his face next to mine and he had the razor blade still in his hand and then he had sex with me."

Asked by police how she felt during the sex, the girl replied: "I would rather that happen than have my throat slit."

Kabeer Hassan, 24; Abdul Aziz, 41; Abdul Rauf, 43; Mohammed Sajid, 35; Adil Khan, 42; Abdul Qayyum, 43; Mohammed Amin, 44; Qamar Shahzad, 29; Liaquat Shah, 41 and Hamid Safi, 22, all deny conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with children under the age of 16.

A 59-year-old man, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, denies the same charge.

He also denies two counts of rape, aiding and abetting a rape, one count of sexual assault and an allegation of trafficking within the UK for sexual exploitation.

Mr Hassan, of Lacrosse Avenue, Oldham, and Mr Shahzad, of Tweedale Street, Rochdale, also deny rape.
Mr Aziz, of Armstrong Hurst Close, Rochdale, denies two counts of rape and one allegation of trafficking for sexual exploitation.
Mr Khan, of Oswald Street, and Mr Rauf, of Darley Road, both in Rochdale, have also pleaded not guilty to trafficking for sexual exploitation.
Mr Sajid, of Jepheys Street, Rochdale, denies trafficking, two counts of rape and one allegation of sexual activity with a child.
Mr Amin, of Falinge Road, Rochdale, denies sexual assault.
Mr Shah and Mr Safi, both of Kensington Street, Rochdale, each denied two counts of rape and Mr Safi has also pleaded not guilty to trafficking.
The trial continues.

BBC News - Rochdale child-sex trial: 'Victim woke up being raped'
 
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never heard about it.
Muslims here are mostly from North Africa. They are very different than in our region.
People from Iran or Pakistan are rare here.

the only Pakistani i could see on TV is a comic (show man): excellent by the way.
ah my wife once helped a Pakistani to go to the place he was looking for (a military guy who was doing a stage here)...

They are not that much different in Islam, maybe somehow in culture, do not forget Andalusia and that was a very big middle eastern influence on North African indigenous people mostly Berber who converted to Islam on the hands of Arabs, so in Islam there is no difference whatsoever between Muslims only in individual behaviour.
 
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French, like many other Western people do not have a beef with Islam. They are however wary of the major share of violent crimes committed by immigrants. France's banlieue are plagued by crime and violence.

Illustrative example from Britain:

Rochdale child-sex trial: 'Victim woke up being raped'


_58633289_grooming464.gif

All the men deny conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with children under the age of 16

An alleged victim of a child sex ring has told a court of the moment she awoke to find she was being raped.

The girl described being "picked up" with her friend by three Asian men whom she did not know who took them to a house in Freehold, Greater Manchester.

The girl, then 15, said four other men had joined them and she had got drunk on shots before falling asleep.

At Liverpool Crown Court, all the men deny conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with children under 16.

'Heavy breathing'
Jurors were played police video interviews with the girl, the third alleged victim, who is now aged 17.

She told police she and her friend had gone to an upstairs bedroom and fallen asleep but later in the night the men in the house had started to come in "asking for sex" or "jiggy-jiggy".

The girl said she had gone back to sleep but woke to find a man was raping her.

She said she had felt "heavy breathing" on her neck and "screamed" when she realised what was happening.

The girl said the man - whom she described as being the "chilled" member in the group - had "bad breath" and was on top of her.

"He was having sex with me," she said.

The girl said she had told the man "no" when he was on top of her and that it had made her feel "horrible" and "gross".

But the man "carried on", the court heard. She said it had lasted for about five minutes.

The girl described twice being violently raped at a house in Kensington Street, Rochdale.

She said the owner, a man she called Shah, would grab her neck and slap her face if she tried to stop him kissing her.

'Cut yourself'
She described another occasion at the same address when a man she named as Hamid slit his own wrist, causing "deep, deep" cuts, before threatening to slit her throat unless she had sex with him.

She said: "Something was mentioned about sex. He asked me if I wanted to and I said no and he said: 'I will cut you.'

"I said 'cut yourself' and he came up to me with the razor blade, put his face next to mine and he had the razor blade still in his hand and then he had sex with me."

Asked by police how she felt during the sex, the girl replied: "I would rather that happen than have my throat slit."

Kabeer Hassan, 24; Abdul Aziz, 41; Abdul Rauf, 43; Mohammed Sajid, 35; Adil Khan, 42; Abdul Qayyum, 43; Mohammed Amin, 44; Qamar Shahzad, 29; Liaquat Shah, 41 and Hamid Safi, 22, all deny conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with children under the age of 16.

A 59-year-old man, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, denies the same charge.

He also denies two counts of rape, aiding and abetting a rape, one count of sexual assault and an allegation of trafficking within the UK for sexual exploitation.

Mr Hassan, of Lacrosse Avenue, Oldham, and Mr Shahzad, of Tweedale Street, Rochdale, also deny rape.
Mr Aziz, of Armstrong Hurst Close, Rochdale, denies two counts of rape and one allegation of trafficking for sexual exploitation.
Mr Khan, of Oswald Street, and Mr Rauf, of Darley Road, both in Rochdale, have also pleaded not guilty to trafficking for sexual exploitation.
Mr Sajid, of Jepheys Street, Rochdale, denies trafficking, two counts of rape and one allegation of sexual activity with a child.
Mr Amin, of Falinge Road, Rochdale, denies sexual assault.
Mr Shah and Mr Safi, both of Kensington Street, Rochdale, each denied two counts of rape and Mr Safi has also pleaded not guilty to trafficking.
The trial continues.

BBC News - Rochdale child-sex trial: 'Victim woke up being raped'

I would like to see and hear also about all native British rapes drug traffickers and outlaws.
 
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France is rightly worried.....muslims in France approximately 3MM of them are in fact changing the country's landscape , though nothing can stop this phenomenon.....Le Monde journalists even came to Pakistan to understand the phenomenon of Tableeghi Jammat and why its getting so popular in France.

the majority of the Muslims in France are the kids of the people from north Africa who helped France rebuild its infrastructure from the ruins of WW2 .
France did put these people in ghettos and looked down upon them, this was the continuity of French colonial behaviour, mainly racism which take root in ignorance, so we can safely say that French society is an ignorant one and has all the rights to worry about itself...
 
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This is nothing to do with extremism FFS but nationalism. Tbh I would pretty annoyed if I found out if been served Halal meat without being told.
 
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This is nothing to do with extremism FFS but nationalism.

So Muslims are not to be made welcome in French society ?

Tbh I would pretty annoyed if I found out if been served Halal meat without being told.

Did you know water is Halal too. Are you going to stop drinking it ?
 
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For a dumb axx like you, why don't you look at your so-called muslim world at a whole, not just one or two particular country like turkey or iran???

How about saudi, kuwait, yemen, negeria, libya, afghanistan, iraq and etc... the list goes on and on.

Just like what I have said and I will say those here again:
"muslims give them (women) more respect and freedom than the western cultures"

cough, cough, .... cough!!!

I just cannot refrain from laughing for such an outstanding joke!!!




:lol: :lol:

Dude , your Chinese genes aren't working? Another dumbass Westerner. So according to you , the bolded things aren't there for Muslim women? When are you getting out of your hole?

Just for a tid bid ...Go google the women to men ratio in Qatar and then compare it with US? :azn:

Why not compare the number of Tunisia's women parliamentarians vs women in Australian congress or probably even US? :azn:

Go read stats for number Iranian girls graduates ? :azn:

The largest Islamic countries (Pakistan , Indonesia , Bangladesh etc etc) have had women leader of the nation for SEVERAL TIMES .... how many times a women led US? :azn:

I live in America ...but... I have also lived in Muslim countries (two of them)....let me tell you...there are many things/rights/protection that American girls have while Muslim girls in Muslim societies don't have (at such large scale) BUT there are MANY things/rights/protections that girls in Muslim societies which American girls don't have (generally) .....

Also , don't tell me that Americans "respect" girls more ... Referring to a girl as a "*****" , "Slut" , "*****" etc is COMMON...its NORMAL USAGE of the society (specially the young generation)... Objectification of girls in US is BEYOND imagination . . . Girls feel so much pressure that they start wearing make-up from 7/8th grades! !!!!! Atleast in that aspect , Muslim girls are WAY more respected...They don't have to wear make-up in middle/high schools :usflag:

The only thing you can do is to read your media and live like a "frog in the well" i.e ..knowing NOTHING about the world.

Just out of curiosity , in how many Muslim countries have you lived? Ok lets make it easier for you since you are American.....Living aside , how many Muslim countries have you "visited" ? (Though a visit doesn't tell anyone much but still) ......

Social problems are everywhere . . . . Why only focus on them ?

nobody outside give a fxxk to whatever you refer to or bow to.

Drop your secularist/commie BS out of here :enjoy:

only SA???

You must be kidding me? Are you telling me that in any other muslim countries except SA that women can freely vote, freely choose their own education, freely choose dresses they want to, freely drive, freely choose their own marriage and etc???

WOW!!!

From all of those crimes against women in those muslim countries for women who struggle for such free rights, you still tell such a lie without feeling any shame at all???



You are talking about SA, This is an exception, since it is the last bastion and most sacred place in Islam, we do not want your cultural values to come even near that place. we have given you many Muslim secular places to play in, and even them won't accept your corrupt and twisted ways of live.
Sorry buddy, no offence but please educate yourself about Islam, so you won't be a laughing stock for people in this forum.
 
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