France to expel 231 suspected extremists after attack on teacher:source

[I S I]

France has a big Muslim problem. There are areas around Paris where you can't go due to them being Muslim dominated.

only Modi & RSS will buy your chooran.

 

[proudindian20]

only Modi & RSS will buy your chooran.

Apparently the French are buying this chooran too now

 

[I S I]

Apparently the French are buying this chooran too now

wake me up when they kickout all the Muslims from france.

 

[proudindian20]

wake me up when they kickout all the Muslims from france.

Why kick them out when they can provide you cheap labour? Just kick out the extremists and suppress overtly religious teachings.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

France ordered the temporary closure of a mosque outside Paris on Tuesday as part of a crackdown on people who are suspected of inciting hatred, after the killing of a teacher who showed his class caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.
The Grand Mosque of Pantin, in a low-income suburb on the capital’s northeastern outskirts, had shared a video on its Facebook page before the attack that vented hatred against history teacher Samuel Paty.
Police plastered notices of the closure order outside the mosque as the authorities promised a tough response against the disseminators of hate messages, preachers of controversial sermons and foreigners believed to pose a security threat to France.
The six-month order was “for the sole purpose of preventing acts of terrorism”, the notice issued by the head of the Seine-Saint-Denis department read.
The beheading of Paty, a public servant, for his use of religious satire to explore with students the debate surrounding freedom of expression has convulsed the country and shocked the world.
The killing came weeks after President Emmanuel Macron expressed concerns about what he calls “Islamist separatism”.

In a speech earlier this month, Macron said “Islam is a religion that is in crisis all over the world today, we are not just seeing this in our country” – comments that led to a backlash from the world’s Muslims, who claimed he was pandering to the far right.
France’s fragile relationship with its Muslim minority, the largest in Europe, is at breaking point.
Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said this week that France was confronted by an “enemy within”.
Meanwhile, there are rising concerns of collective punishment regarding France’s response to Friday’s killing.
Darmanin, in a post on Twitter, threatened to close the Collective against Islamophobia in France, an anti-racist civil society group, prompting concerns from activists.
“We are concerned by the political pressures, at the highest level of the French government, and intimidation campaign targeting a human rights organisation whose work is to address discrimination and hate crimes against Muslim citizens,” said the European network against racism.





The rector of the Grand Mosque of Pantin, M’hammed Henniche, this weekend expressed regret over sharing the video on social media, after it emerged Paty had become the victim of a vicious online campaign of intimidation even before he was killed.
In the video, the Muslim father of one of Paty’s students said the history teacher had singled out Muslim students and asked them to leave his class before showing the cartoons. He called Paty a thug and said he wanted the teacher removed.
Henniche told Agence France Presse that he had shared the video, filmed by the father of a student at Paty’s school, not to endorse the complaint but out of concern for Muslim children.
The student’s father is now in police custody.
“There’s no room for violence in our religion”, the mosque said in a statement published on Facebook on Monday. “We strongly condemn this savagery.”

One Pantin resident, who gave her name as Maya and said her husband prayed at the mosque, called the closure “sad for our community”.
Source- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...SCvBID9oazrS2g3qM7Oq048dTvn1u25gGqk5TJKz0XqkE

No amount of superficial French perfumes can suppress the stench which is emanating from rotten carcass of a democracy that France is.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Don't worry about these rodents they are always selective as long something suits their narrative. They have no shame or self respect, they would sell their identity to adopt something else to fit in to prove their more local than the locals of a particular region. Their females in the west sleep with blacks and whites because they know with Indian men they can only give birth to gutter looking children. Hell any chance they get they convert to marry a Pakistani as well, just to say their children are Pakistani. They are a nation of no morals or ethics they can stand on.

The inferiority complex runs very deep. Here we see them being a mouthpiece for Europeans. They think they are some kind of Western civilization like English or French, when in actuality they are more backwards than isolated tribes in the interior of Africa.

No offense to my lovely African brothers, they are awesome people.

Here look at the Indian inferiority complex in full view and have a laugh.

 

[LeGenD]

We get it. No one is disagreeing with you on this.

What you still fail to grasp (perhaps its because your just a nice bloke) is the intent of the moron who started the thread and his disciples. You cant see his agenda?

According to their mindset - 2 billion Muslims should take the responsibility of the 1 or few retards and be apologists. It aint going to happen. Cant you see the reason they are like flies hovering round sh1t is their desperate attempt to have a jab of a finger at Islam - the flame bait approach is becoming monotonous and boring.
@AgNoStiC MuSliM said on the other thread this retard launched that we can never accept acts of this nature - however provoked we feel. We must condone and not allow retards a platform thinking they are carrying out acts of this nature in the name of my Islam because thats not what Islam represents.

However allowing some of these Indians a voice and platform here to blatantly troll and flame bait is completely wrong. We have enough of the scum on the internet putting Islam or Pakistan down - we dont need a Pakistani site to fuel their obsession by pandering to their trollism.

They have no intent to debate - just to provoke law abiding citizens like me and you. Remember India is the epicenter of rape and hate crimes - are we going to judge all members as rapists and nut jobs? Now brother stop being so "nice" - they dont deserve it.

Thanks for your insightful response, bro.

NOW - It is very easy for me to NUKE this thread and be done with it. However, would this move make these individuals disappear? They will wait for another opportunity to post rubbish.

You can notice that I have made some of these individuals virtually speechless in this thread with my well-researched arguments. These are a need of the hour IMHO.

WE need to have conversations to counter negativity/propaganda coming our way. Pakistani members really need to flex their INTELLECTUAL MUSCLES.

Remember how WE busted Indian propaganda in relation to events on 27-02-19? They really FELT IT.

I have membership in other forums as well. This theme was under discussion in one of them and I stepped up to the occasion to counter much of the nonsense in regards to Islam and Muslims from the usual suspects (Islamophobes) of that forum. Guess what? An Indian attempted to support these Islamophobes and complicate my effort to counter them. However, I put them all in their place with my well-researched arguments. Some agreed with me eventually. The Islamophobes were almost speechless - they were not accustomed to the level of intellectual opposition they had to face from me in this one thread. I managed to convey my points and got that thread LOCKED on top. This was by no means a pleasant debating experience for me; I had to deal with really unpleasant statements/arguments in the process - conversation in this thread look tame in comparison. However, I happen to study things and it was my day to shine.

When the time comes, please raise your voice but with logic and reason. This can make some difference.

Indians are globally active and facilitating Islamophobia in the WEST. Muslims need to step up their INTELLECTUAL game to counter these efforts.

Moderation is assured however - I have issued warnings to some members in this thread. They will get the memo eventually.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The inferiority complex runs very deep. Here we see them being a mouthpiece for Europeans. They think they are some kind of Western civilization like English or French, when in actuality they are more backwards than isolated tribes in the interior of Africa.

No offense to my lovely African brothers, they are awesome people.

Here look at the Indian inferiority complex in full view and have a laugh.

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[nahtanbob]

I can ask the same question, people migrate only when you open immigration? Why does France open immigration? And than when you do why you do believe in insulting others religion?

Incidents like these will lead to shutdown of immigration. Do not complain after the curtain falls down

 

[IceCold]

Incidents like these will lead to shutdown of immigration. Do not complain after the curtain falls down

For now You worry about Trump shutting down the H1B visa which your ilks have abused for so long.

 

[I S I]

France has got muslims for centuries for that.

Now Indians have captured market share of servants too. Digital India.

 

[LeGenD]

Is France one of them .. no right?

Btw ..you still don't get it ..do you?

This entire prophet caricature thing is a show of defiance against.. Muslim intimidation against something their French constitution completely allows.

Had you people asked nicely..that please don't do that ..it hurts us...this matter would have died down a decade ago.

But you resorted to killing people and blowing up their offices.

And I say..no one should ever bow down to this kind of terrorism.

You mentioned this: "can go back to their own country and live happily under their blasphemy laws."

In other words, you are MOCKING Islamic countries for having Blasphemy LAW. In your hubris, you forgot that even PROGRESSIVE COUNTRIES have Blasphemy LAW. As if this is a sign of backwardness?

In any country, LAWS care created for good reason, and in view of local social realities, customs, and experiences of the citizens/nationals. Blasphemy LAW is not a sign of backwardness but a measure to protect a religion from rampant HATE SPEECH. It is however, important to TEACH TOLERANCE in any society. Potential misuse of this LAW should also be criminalized.

About France - what kind of society it wish to become? Democratic or Socialist or Fascist?

"France is an indivisible, secular, democratic and social Republic, guaranteeing that all citizens regardless of their origin, race or religion are treated as equals before the law and respecting all religious beliefs" states the Constitution of 1958.

LINK: https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/c...le/secularism-and-religious-freedom-in-france

What is that? The highlighted part?

French constitution allows French nationals to disrespect Islam lately?

"Had you people asked nicely.." Islamophobes are utterly disrespect bunch; they are not interested in scholarly debates with Muslims and productive criticism of Islam; they have issue with Islam itself. I learned as much from my exchanges with some.

Muslims do not choose to KILL an offending individual one fine day over petty arguments. Millions of Muslims live in Europe to begin with. How many of them have KILLED an offending individual over petty arguments? Any statistics?

Islamophobes are utterly disgusting individuals on the other hand - RACIST as well. They really put the capacity of patience/tolerance of Muslims with their utterly disgusting expressions to the test. Islamophobes are practicing HATE SPEECH in the nutshell.

HATE SPEECH

Around the world, we are seeing a disturbing groundswell of xenophobia, racism and intolerance – including rising anti-Semitism, anti-Muslim hatred and persecution of Christians. Social media and other forms of communication are being exploited as platforms for bigotry. Neo-Nazi and white supremacy movements are on the march. Public discourse is being weaponized for political gain with incendiary rhetoric that stigmatizes and dehumanizes minorities, migrants, refugees, women and any so-called “other”.

This is not an isolated phenomenon or the loud voices of a few people on the fringe of society. Hate is moving into the mainstream – in liberal democracies and authoritarian systems alike. And with each broken norm, the pillars of our common humanity are weakened.

Hate speech is a menace to democratic values, social stability and peace. As a matter of principle, the United Nations must confront hate speech at every turn. Silence can signal indifference to bigotry and intolerance, even as a situation escalates and the vulnerable become victims.

Tackling hate speech is also crucial to deepen progress across the United Nations agenda by helping to prevent armed conflict, atrocity crimes and terrorism, end violence against women and other serious violations of human rights, and promote peaceful, inclusive and just societies.

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/UN%20Strategy%20and%20Plan%20of%20Action%20on%20Hate%20Speech%2018%20June%20SYNOPSIS.pdf

Hate speech covers many forms of expressions which spread, incite, promote or justify hatred, violence and discrimination against a person or group of persons for a variety of reasons.

It poses grave dangers for the cohesion of a democratic society, the protection of human rights and the rule of law. If left unaddressed, it can lead to acts of violence and conflict on a wider scale. In this sense hate speech is an extreme form of intolerance which contributes to hate crime.

Hate speech and violence - European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) - www.coe.int

www.coe.int

France is a democracy, right? European state as well?

That neo-colonial hypocrite Marcon should be ashamed of himself.

 

[Osiris]

You mentioned this: "can go back to their own country and live happily under their blasphemy laws."

In other words, you are MOCKING Islamic countries for having Blasphemy LAW. In your hubris, you forgot that even PROGRESSIVE COUNTRIES have Blasphemy LAW. As if this is a sign of backwardness?

In any country, LAWS care created for good reason, and in view of local social realities, customs, and experiences of the citizens/nationals. Blasphemy LAW is not a sign of backwardness but a measure to protect a religion from rampant HATE SPEECH. It is however, important to TEACH TOLERANCE in any society. Potential misuse of this LAW should also be criminalized.

About France - what kind of society it wish to become? Democratic or Socialist or Fascist?

"France is an indivisible, secular, democratic and social Republic, guaranteeing that all citizens regardless of their origin, race or religion are treated as equals before the law and respecting all religious beliefs" states the Constitution of 1958.

LINK: https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/c...le/secularism-and-religious-freedom-in-france

What is that? The highlighted part?

French constitution allows French nationals to disrespect Islam lately?

"Had you people asked nicely.." Islamophobes are utterly disrespect bunch; they are not interested in scholarly debates with Muslims and productive criticism of Islam; they have issue with Islam itself. I learned as much from my exchanges with some.

Muslims do not choose to KILL an offending individual one fine day over petty arguments. Millions of Muslims live in Europe to begin with. How many of them have KILLED an offending individual over petty arguments? Any statistics?

Islamophobes are utterly disgusting individuals on the other hand - RACIST as well. They really put the capacity of patience/tolerance of Muslims with their utterly disgusting expressions to the test. Islamophobes are practicing HATE SPEECH in the nutshell.

HATE SPEECH

Around the world, we are seeing a disturbing groundswell of xenophobia, racism and intolerance – including rising anti-Semitism, anti-Muslim hatred and persecution of Christians. Social media and other forms of communication are being exploited as platforms for bigotry. Neo-Nazi and white supremacy movements are on the march. Public discourse is being weaponized for political gain with incendiary rhetoric that stigmatizes and dehumanizes minorities, migrants, refugees, women and any so-called “other”.

This is not an isolated phenomenon or the loud voices of a few people on the fringe of society. Hate is moving into the mainstream – in liberal democracies and authoritarian systems alike. And with each broken norm, the pillars of our common humanity are weakened.

Hate speech is a menace to democratic values, social stability and peace. As a matter of principle, the United Nations must confront hate speech at every turn. Silence can signal indifference to bigotry and intolerance, even as a situation escalates and the vulnerable become victims.

Tackling hate speech is also crucial to deepen progress across the United Nations agenda by helping to prevent armed conflict, atrocity crimes and terrorism, end violence against women and other serious violations of human rights, and promote peaceful, inclusive and just societies.

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/UN%20Strategy%20and%20Plan%20of%20Action%20on%20Hate%20Speech%2018%20June%20SYNOPSIS.pdf

Hate speech covers many forms of expressions which spread, incite, promote or justify hatred, violence and discrimination against a person or group of persons for a variety of reasons.

It poses grave dangers for the cohesion of a democratic society, the protection of human rights and the rule of law. If left unaddressed, it can lead to acts of violence and conflict on a wider scale. In this sense hate speech is an extreme form of intolerance which contributes to hate crime.

Hate speech and violence - European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) - www.coe.int

www.coe.int

France is a democracy, right? European state as well?

That neo-colonial hypocrite Marcon should be ashamed of himself.

1. I am mocking all countries that have Blasphemy laws in this day and age and especially the ones, who use capital punishment for blasphemy.

But you will find only Muslims who will go to other countries for freedom and better lives those countries offer and then kill their citizens for practicing the very same freedoms.

You will not find Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jews etc coming to Pakistan and killing Pakistani citizens for insulting their God/s. Which I am sure happens a lot.

2. If you think it is hate speech, that they do, then file a case against them and prove it.
All civilized countries have laws against speech. You don't have the right to kill them whatsoever. They don't become Wajib ul Qatal..no matter their imagined or real offenses.

 

[nahtanbob]

For now You worry about Trump shutting down the H1B visa which your ilks have abused for so long.

I have no problem with h-1b shutdown. I am never been on those visas.

Face it - if incidents like this continue you are looking at ban on Muslim immigration (exceptions always for highly educated and rich folks)

 

[Dalit]

When is France going to break relations with the Muslim world? Expelling a few Muslims sounds like a face saving exercise.

France hates Muslims. It hates Islam. It demonstrates this time and time again. Time has come for France to act like it feels. Simply break all relations with Islamic nations. Otherwise France is just another India.