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France to expel 231 suspected extremists after attack on teacher:source

Lol deported for being Muslim all was fine with the same guys last week living in France

next time don’t abuse and ridicule prophet of god frenchies and your teacher will still be alive teacher was made example of and Chechen bro real hero for me someone to aspire to if any one shows disrespect to our beloved prophet end him / her life

next they’llput caricatures on dirty underwear like they do with Hindu Ganesh and he’s crew and expect us to take it for the good of freedom of speech

No sirs madam never
 
Dear nahtanbob,

PEACE-LOVING (and God-Fearing Moralistic) Americans have a lengthy history of unproductive interventions in modern Islamic countries starting with Iran.


On August 19, 1953, democratically-elected Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh was overthrown in a coup orchestrated by the CIA and British intelligence, after having nationalized the oil industry. The Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was re-installed in the primary position of power. Massive protests broke out across the nation, leaving almost 300 dead in firefights in the streets of Tehran.


Just the aforementioned intervention had far-reaching consequences for Iran itself (fanning political unrest and subsequent alienation of a local population which found solace in deeply conservative Shiite religio-political forces who promised retribution), and the entire Middle East by extension (Shah regime was well-received in other countries but failed to manage Iran and was eventually toppled by Iranian religio-political forces led by Ruhollah Khomeini). The Arabs felt threatened and the devastating Iraq - Iran war materialized consequently. Now WESTERN powers rushed to equip Iraq and when its Saddam regime became too strong and chose to invade Kuwait (another war), same WESTERN powers now decided to stop Saddam regime in its tracks (yet another war).

While the aforementioned was happening, Americans launched OPERATION CYCLONE to counter USSR in Afghanistan. Here USSR was responsible for fanning political unrest and subsequent alienation of a local population which also found solace in deeply conservative Salafi religio-political forces who promised retribution. WESTERN powers rushed to equip religio-political forces of Afghanistan in order to make it possible for them to defeat USSR. When this was achieved and USSR withdrew from Afghanistan, the Salafi religio-political forces were left to their devices (WESTERN powers had left). Lacking in direction, they fought each other until one of the groups (i.e. Afghan Taliban) emerged victorious and restored order in much of Afghanistan. Some banded together to establish Northern Alliance to counter Afghan Taliban. And yet others regressed into Al-Qaeda Networks which decided to challenge USA across the Middle East culminating into the shocking 9/11 event.



Whose Monster? A Study in the Rise to Power of alQaeda and the Taliban


Profile: Osama bin Laden


"The weapons were supplied by the Americans, the money by the Saudis." - Osama Bin Laden

Post 9/11, US-led forces invaded Afghanistan in 2001 to topple Afghan Taliban regime, and Iraq in 2003 to topple Saddam regime subsequently.



The Americans ended up fighting Al-Qaeda Networks in both theaters... congratulations I suppose?

PEACE-LOVING (and God-Fearing Moralistic) Americans have done no wrong in history like ever. The Americans only Fight good and just wars. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Foreign powers topple regimes, bomb countries back to stone age causing untold levels of death and destruction in the process, bring wrong elements to power and then complain about terrorism and pin the blame on Islam?

Shall I also expand on Neo-colonism of the French? This moron Macron is responsible for ruining Libya (and more), and he pretends to be a Champion of Human Rights back home?

You should consider renaming yourself as hypocrite-bob.

@Protest_again
@Gibbs

I get it. But don't discount that muslim states in middle east had helped US in its interference in the region.

But the point I am making is different. US acts on its national interest (every country does). Every one can understand such a behavior. Iraq attacking Kuwait is an example. Saddam knew America is opposed to such adventure yet he ventured in it. Now don't expect America to sit tight because it is not in its interest.

But it is entirely different for an individual to attack another for his hurt sentiment or for defense of God. It is just unacceptable. And using religion for such action will get rather strong reaction from the society. West has extremely liberal ideas about God. And If you believe West is insulting your Prophet, then don't play into their hands, just move out. It is not a society for you. Violent reactions to such actions will endanger entire multicultural experiment of west which has been a boon for many.
 
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I get it. But don't discount that muslim states in middle east had helped US in its interference in the region.

But the point I am making is different. US acts on its national interest (every country does). Every one can understand such a behavior. Iraq attacking Kuwait is prime example. Saddam knew America is opposed to such adventure yet he venture in it. Now don't expect America to sit tight because it is not in its interest.

But it is entirely different for an individual to attack another for his hurt sentiment or for defense of God. It is just unacceptable. And using religion for such action will get rather deep reaction in the society. West has extremely liberal ideas about God. And If you believe West is insulting your Prophet, then don't play into their hands, just move out. It is not a society for you. Violent reactions to such actions will endanger entire multicultural experiment of west which has been a boon for many.
Islamic countries have certainly given rise to political elitists and imperialists who draw support from Foreign powers to remain politically relevant and strong. Foreign powers collude with these elements to topple regimes, bomb countries back to the stone age causing untold levels of death and destruction in the process, and then complain about TERRORISM and pin the blame on Islam for it? There are so many dots to figure out and connect in relation as I have attempted to do in my previous post for the sake of making fellow members aware of the bigger picture of ugliness at play around the world in current times.

Such unproductive interventions have ERODED the very moral fabric of subject countries to large extent and millions of innocents paid a hefty price consequently.

Unproductive interventions followed by blow-backs materializing in different forms - virtually endless cycle of Corruption and Mischief in motion...

Allah Almighty warned believers about this menace in the Holy Quran (Surah Al-Baqarah; Surah Al-Isra).


Spine-chilling TBH.

My concern is rampant Islamophobia and how it is shaping perceptions lately. Those who live in the WEST - do they not understand what their governments are up to? These people look down upon Islam and Muslims as if they have HIGH MORAL GROUND while they belong to countries which have killed and corrupted on unprecedented scale?

Every religion is different and sentiments vary accordingly. A teacher should know better most of all.

Islamophobes are not helping at all - they are unable to tell the difference between HATE SPEECH and Freedom of Expression - these people do not understand Islam either (and do not want to). They want to attack/insult/disrespect Islam + Holy Prophet (PBUH) + Muslims in their expressions - they wish to normalize this practice. They cry WOLF when blowback comes their way in any form. Is this the way forward for Mankind now?

A society cannot be productive in its functions by incorporating blatant forms of intolerance and HATE SPEECH in its expressions and practices. This is a slippery slope towards limitless chaos - fueling Corruption and Mischief in the process.

Lol deported for being Muslim all was fine with the same guys last week living in France

next time don’t abuse and ridicule prophet of god frenchies and your teacher will still be alive teacher was made example of and Chechen bro real hero for me someone to aspire to if any one shows disrespect to our beloved prophet end him / her life

next they’llput caricatures on dirty underwear like they do with Hindu Ganesh and he’s crew and expect us to take it for the good of freedom of speech

No sirs madam never
Both were in the wrong.

Teacher and the man who killed him.


 
Problem for you is that many Brits and Indians despise these satanic values.

Seriously dude?:-

Ah but they are contravening French French and EU laws of inciting religious hatred and disturbing the peace.

How?

Islam says ..Muslims can't show or draw caricature of the prophet...and that is perfectly fine.

Are the French forcing Muslims to draw caricature of the Prophet ??

Now if Muslims come and says ..that we will not allow any one to show caricatures of the prophet..any one who does ..will be killed ..now that is intimidation and imposing your own religious beliefs on every one else.
 
France wanted to be a colonial power, it went to countries and forced it's will on the people and cultures and now dosent want the same in France



Tough shit!!!!!


Get in there, they stole trillions from Africa to fund France during the colonial period and now they chickens have come home to roost
How?

Islam says ..Muslims can't show or draw caricature of the prophet...and that is perfectly fine.

Are the French forcing Muslims to draw caricature of the Prophet ??

Now if Muslims come and says ..that we will not allow any one to show caricatures of the prophet..any one who does ..will be killed ..now that is inciting hatred and imposing your own religious beliefs on every one else.


Most people don't do anything


However if you seek to provoke people,, someone might snap


It's just a basic reality


You have the freedom to go out on a Friday night and call every women, wife, girlfriend you see fat and ugly

You haven't broken the law, you haven't been abusive

But guess what someone will respond to your provocation and smash you in your face even if the majority just ignore you
 
See we can't change rules because french are responsible for their own country but many Islamic countries can learn from it. Muslim countries must introduce a bill which makes hijab necessary for french women in Muslim countries. This could be a perfect counter for french laws. French must also abide by the rules.i know they hate hijab. I understand that few Muslim countries will not allow this hijab rule because of french influence. Let's make hijab mandatory for french in Pakistan and see the results.
 
No, they are promoting, free speech and rule of law....French law.

Those immigrants who don't like it..can go back to their own country and live happily under their blasphemy laws.

When you mean free speech, Id like to see you depict a Jewish Rabbi as a Nazi and lets see how free the French are after that.

Im pretty sure it will be Gharwapsi for you.
 
Both were in the wrong.

Teacher and the man who killed him.

We get it. No one is disagreeing with you on this.

What you still fail to grasp (perhaps its because your just a nice bloke) is the intent of the moron who started the thread and his disciples. You cant see his agenda?

According to their mindset - 2 billion Muslims should take the responsibility of the 1 or few retards and be apologists. It aint going to happen. Cant you see the reason they are like flies hovering round sh1t is their desperate attempt to have a jab of a finger at Islam - the flame bait approach is becoming monotonous and boring.
@AgNoStiC MuSliM said on the other thread this retard launched that we can never accept acts of this nature - however provoked we feel. We must condone and not allow retards a platform thinking they are carrying out acts of this nature in the name of my Islam because thats not what Islam represents.

However allowing some of these Indians a voice and platform here to blatantly troll and flame bait is completely wrong. We have enough of the scum on the internet putting Islam or Pakistan down - we dont need a Pakistani site to fuel their obsession by pandering to their trollism.

They have no intent to debate - just to provoke law abiding citizens like me and you. Remember India is the epicenter of rape and hate crimes - are we going to judge all members as rapists and nut jobs? Now brother stop being so "nice" - they dont deserve it.
 
People! It's simple. Freedom of expression needs definition. I literally laugh when I see them talking about freedom of expression. If their own clothes were all white than I would have understood. However, their own clothes are stained with the blood of innocent, suppression, racism, hypocricy etc. The same Europe was once the centre of executing or hanging or in a form of gallows to those who tried to come up with new ideas or differ to their "standard" POV. What a hypocricy that on one point they ban coverings and snatch away the right and freedom to wear whatever women want and on the other hand when it comes to empathy and respect, they tarnish the soul and sentiments of people by sugar coating hate speech as freedom of expression. I call this emotional terrorism , these mindset are still living in dark ages. Where as for some Indian posters:

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Be careful with the usual "chamchageeri", as you know what happens to these chamchas once they are used.

Regards
 
When you mean free speech, Id like to see you depict a Jewish Rabbi as a Nazi and lets see how free the French are after that.

Im pretty sure it will be Gharwapsi for you.

Please stop pretending to be victims here ..what are you victims off?

What you people do not understand..is that it is not suppose to be an insult to your religion or your prophet.

It is an expression of not bowing down to intimidation.

Muslim extremist who say.."do as we want and don't do, what we don't want you to do or we will kill you or blow your work places. "

It wouldn't have even mattered and died down quickly had ..you not resorted to violence after those Danish cartoons.

The more you resort to violence and intimidation ..more rest of the world push back.
 
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Above poster is Indian and not French, hence there is no use talking to them.

They are defending blasphemy, saying it is not an insult. So making nudes and sexual imagery of our beloved Hazoor saws is not insulting?

I know this is common in India where Islamophobia and racism against Muslim peoples (like Pakistanis) is state policy.

No surprise either that India is the home country of Salman Rushdie, whom Indian state and Bollywood rewarded for his efforts many times.
 
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