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France starts ban on full-face veil

I do not have to be in a mosque since those MI6, CIA, FBI, Mossad and all other types of anti-terrorism agencies have already infiltrated into various of terrorism networks, mosques to get those bastards revealed in public.

Did your beloved CIA/FBI told you how many innocents peoples got killed in Afghanistan, Iraq because of american bombings?

Did you beloved CIA/FBI told you why USA supported these terrorist against Russia. They were Mujahdeenn when they were fighting with Russia? Right?

A terrorist is someone who does not care who gets hurt, so long as they get what they want. This qualifies an awful lot of people as terrorists including your uncle Bush.

There are far better ways to handle conflicts in ideology than murdering innocent people. We all need to begin to understand that people who are willing to harm innocent people to get what they want are terrorists. It does not matter if their names are Ephone, Osama, Obama, bush, rumsfeld
 
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At the university I had a college and was placed in a group where one of the lady had a total veil. It felt so strange talking to her. You never knew when to adress her and when not.
 
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At the university I had a college
I did not get this :D
and was placed in a group where one of the lady had a total veil. It felt so strange talking to her. You never knew when to adress her and when not.
Yes many things which are not being practice in our own culture feel strange to us

I also find many things which is being practice in different cultures as strange and weird but then again many things in my culture are strange for others :)
 
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I did not get this :D

Yes many things which are not being practice in our own culture feel strange to us

I also find many things which is being practice in different cultures as strange and weird but then again many things in my culture are strange for others :)

Sorry, my English isn't sufficent, I suppose. In Dutch 'college' (same way spelled as in English, although pronounced differently) means lecture. I guess in English it means school building.

For communication purposes I think a veil is not practical.
 
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Sorry, my English isn't sufficent, I suppose. In Dutch 'college' (same way spelled as in English, although pronounced differently) means lecture. I guess in English it means school building.

For communication purposes I think a veil is not practical.

Dont worry my English is even worse. I just wanted to clarify :)

I understand what you are trying to say but We can communicate with each others without face to face contact for example chatting or vioce calling or you only consider video chat(where face is visible) as communication

We are having communication with each others right now.. Many times i dont even bother to look at the face of my professor(although she is cute :P) but pay attention to what she say which is more practical
 
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The more you ban the more it will come up.

It look like Allah(swt) has listern to the devote Muslim Women in France and so found another way to bring back the Burqa !



Nigella Lawson Sports Burkini at Bondi Beach

Al-humdullah

Inshallah Burqa is here to stay ! LOL
0.1% of muslim women wearing a burqa , it is not what i would name "it is coming up"
burqa is not veil anyway ;)

Alhamdulillah الحمد لله but if you are Jew why not use your Halelu Yah . it is no shame to be Jew.
 
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Dont worry my English is even worse. I just wanted to clarify :)

I understand what you are trying to say but We can communicate with each others without face to face contact for example chatting or vioce calling or you only consider video chat(where face is visible) as communication

We are having communication with each others right now.. Many times i dont even bother to look at the face of my professor(although she is cute :P) but pay attention to what she say which is more practical

buddy - your's is very very amateurish argument...imagine these 3 scenarios and tell me which is more effective communication ()

a) don't see the person, don't hear his/her voice and exchange written notes ( mail/chat)
b) don't see the person, hear his/her voice and communicate by talk ( phone)
c) see the person, hear his/her voice and communicate by talk and gestures ( in person)

pls keep islam out of this and respond based on practical knowledge....
 
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all men who protest should wear veils for the rest of their lives in France. in fact cover the whole thing up... and allow women to take them around- that way you go after the problem- the men who leech at women. :azn:
 
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Muslims wary of French plan to toughen ban on veils
Tuesday, April 2, 2013
By JAMEY KEATEN, The Associated Press
Because of her choice to wear a headscarf, Samia Kaddour, a
Muslim, has all but abandoned trying to land a government job in
France. Soon, some private sector jobs could be off limits, too.
French President François Hollande says he wants a new law that
could extend restrictions on the wearing of prominent religious
symbols in state jobs into the private sector. His new approach comes
after a top French court ruled in March that a daycare operator that
gets some state funding unfairly fired a woman in a headscarf,
sparking a political backlash.

As Christians celebrated Easter on Sunday, Kaddour attended the
four-day Annual Meeting of Muslims of France in Le Bourget, north of
Paris. The convention, which last year drew some 160,000 and was
expected to grow this year, is billed as the largest annual gathering of
its kind in Europe. It is in its 30th year and ended Monday.
French law bars state employees from wearing prominent religious
symbols such as Muslim headscarves, Jewish skullcaps or large
Christian crosses in public schools, welfare offices or other
government facilities. Two years ago, France banned Muslim veils that
cover faces from being worn anywhere in public.

Meeting leaders say France has made progress in accepting Muslims
and noted that, unlike 30 years ago, women wearing headscarves
today rarely draw suspicion, scowls or curiosity. Still, many Muslims -
and even some Roman Catholics and Jews - fear France's insistence
on secular values first enshrined in the French Revolution more than
two centuries ago is unfairly crimping their ability to express their
religious beliefs freely.
They also worry that Hollande's Socialist government, like a
conservative one before it, wants to score political points.
"Islam has become a political instrument," said Kaddour, 26, who is a
community activist from the English Channel port city of Le Havre and
one of 10 children of Algerian-born parents who moved to France for
plentiful jobs during its economic boom times decades ago. "Islam is
always brandished whenever there is internal political discord."
Many Muslims fear an encroaching Islamophobia, while proponents of
such measures insist they counter extremism and act as a rampart to
protect France's identity against inequality.
© Copyright (c) The Montreal Gazette



IslamiCity.com
 
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Dont worry my English is even worse. I just wanted to clarify :)

I understand what you are trying to say but We can communicate with each others without face to face contact for example chatting or vioce calling or you only consider video chat(where face is visible) as communication

We are having communication with each others right now.. Many times i dont even bother to look at the face of my professor(although she is cute :P) but pay attention to what she say which is more practical

Your comparisons are false equivalences. When calling or chatting of course you don't see each others face, that is what we expect to be. The fundamental difference is that each side is in the same situation. There is the case of evenness, which is absent when I am in the opposite position of a person wearing a burqa. It's an unequal level of communication, which is not reproduced in telephonic communications or during a debate on a forum such as this.
 
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Inshallah - means Allah Willing. Nothing happens without His will and seeking His permission is better for faithful believers. There is no harm in saying that, even if in your opinion it is not good, Allah is the judge here and His permission is being requested. Does it hurt you?
 
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France is over doing things in the name of secularism and equality, I mean one can understand banning of full face cover(security issues ), but banning head scarf, cross, Jewish cap etc from govt offices, schools etc is an encroach to citizens freedom religion and freedom of fashion.

Working in a government position means you have to relinquish some freedoms anyway, especially fashion. There are dress codes. You cannot work at window as a clerk dressed in torn jeans and a spiked leather jacket ala punkrocker style.
As far as freedom of religion, you can put on all the religious symbols you wish after you have clocked out of work.

There is also the thing of when offering the finger and the hand gets taken it is best to retract that finger.
 
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Working in a government position means you have to relinquish some freedoms anyway, especially fashion. There are dress codes. You cannot work at window as a clerk dressed in torn jeans and a spiked leather jacket ala punkrocker style.
As far as freedom of religion, you can put on all the religious symbols you wish after you have clocked out of work.

There is also the thing of when offering the finger and the hand gets taken it is best to retract that finger.

govt officer require decent dressing,if there is a uniform that too, but that doesn't mean you can't wear a cross,scarf etc, that is an unnecessary encroachment to personal, religious freedom.
 
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