France sees first Rafale jet deliveries to India by 2016

[Jayanta]

Just Comparison of Rafale and Amca(on bases of the specification)(wiki)
(plz do not blame for anything)

RAFALE

General characteristics

* Crew: 1–2
* Length: 15.27 m (50.1 ft)
* Wingspan: 10.80 m (35.4 ft)
* Height: 5.34 m (17.5 ft)
* Wing area: 45.7 m² (492 ft²)
* Empty weight:
o C: 9,500 kilograms (21,000 lb)
o B: 9,770 kilograms (21,500 lb)
o M: 10,196 kilograms (22,480 lb[169])
* Loaded weight: 14,016 kg (30,900 lb)
* Max. takeoff weight: 24,500 kg (C/D), 22,200 kg (M) (54,000 lb)
* Powerplant: 2 × Snecma M88-2 turbofans
o Dry thrust: 50.04 kN (11,250 lbf) each
o Thrust with afterburner: 75.62 kN (17,000 lbf) each
* Fuel capacity: 4,700 kg (10,000 lb) internal

Performance

* Maximum speed:
o High altitude: Mach 1.8+ (2,130+ km/h, 1,050+ knots)
o Low altitude: Mach 1.1+ (1,390 km/h, 750 knots)
* Range: 3,700+ km (2,000+ nmi)
* Combat radius: 1,852+ km (1,000+ nmi) on penetration mission
* Service ceiling: 16,800 m (55,000 ft)
* Rate of climb: 304.8+ m/s (60,000+ ft/min)
* Wing loading: 306 kg/m² (62.8 lb/ft²)
* Thrust/weight: 0.988 (100% fuel, 2 EM A2A missile, 2 IR A2A missile) version M

Armament

* Guns: 1× 30 mm (1.18 in) GIAT 30/719B autocannon with 125 rounds
* Hardpoints: 14 for Air Force versions (Rafale B/C), 13 for Navy version (Rafale M) with a capacity of 9,500 kg (21,000 lb) external fuel and ordnance and provisions to carry combinations of:


AMCA

General characteristics

* Crew: 1 (pilot)
* Length: 13.20 m (43 ft 4 in)
* Wingspan: 8.20 m (26 ft 11 in)
* Height: 4.40 m (14 ft 9 in)
* Wing area: 38.4 m² (413 ft²)
* Empty weight: 12,000 kg (26,456 lb)
* Max. takeoff weight: 18,000 kg (39,683 lb)
* Powerplant: 2 × GTRE GTX 35 VS Kaveri NG turbofans
o Dry thrust: 54 kN (12,130 lbf) each
o Thrust with afterburner: 90 kN (20,230 lbf) each

Performance

* Maximum speed: Mach 1.8
* Range: 1000 km (625 mi)
* Service ceiling: 15,250 m (50,000 ft)
* Rate of climb: 230 m/s (45,000 ft/min)

Please for God sake do not speak about the AMCA. It is not even in the drawing board yet, the HAL should first think of getting the LCA-MK-1 inducted and then MK-2 and produce them in large numbers before they think of AMCA. It will take another 20 years for HAL to induct the first AMCA.

 

[Abhishek Das]

by 2040 MKI Tejas will become old platforms. .

Sukhoi-30 MKI will be upgraded to Super-Sukhoi status which will give it 20 more operational years, & HAL LCA Tejas mk-1 & 2 both will be upgrades with stealth features that will give it another 20 years besides India will go for 6th Generation Stealth Fighters either indigenously or globally....HAL AMCA will be a 5.5th Generation Stealth Fighter, many international Fighter jets developers have identified this fighter as almost as a 6th Generation Stealth Fighter...so, I think India can develop 6th generation fighters indigenously.....!!!

 

[WAR-rior]

Sukhoi-30 MKI will be upgraded to Super-Sukhoi status which will give it 20 more operational years, & HAL LCA Tejas mk-1 & 2 both will be upgrades with stealth features that will give it another 20 years besides India will go for 6th Generation Stealth Fighters either indigenously or globally....HAL AMCA will be a 5.5th Generation Stealth Fighter, many international Fighter jets developers have identified this fighter as almost as a 6th Generation Stealth Fighter...so, I think India can develop 6th generation fighters indigenously.....!!!

How bout providing links regarding the 6th gen international recognition? Kuchh heavy ho raha hai.

 

[Ammyy]

First one in 2016-17 and that will be built in France so first made in India rafale will not come before 2020??

 

[OrionHunter]

WTF? We select a plane in spite of the fact that HAL lacks the capabilities to manufacture it? In fact HAL can't produce anything more than Japanese origami planes like this one....

 

[Echo_419]

WTF? We select a plane in spite of the fact that HAL lacks the capabilities to manufacture it? In fact HAL can't produce anything more than Japanese origami planes like this one....

What about Sukhois & Migs,don't worry the comming reforms in D-PSUs along with a greater role to pvt sector will ensure that we absorb all the technologies

 

[Otocal]

Is it just me or do others also think we need to make Su-30 MKI copies into LCA mk2 and mk3.

To hell with TOT and legalities. Go the China route.

Steal and replicate the tech. HAL by itself will never be able to produce even a decent trainer aircraft. Some people thinking HAL can make 6th generation aircraft or AMCA by itself.

Russia can sell nukes to Pakistan for all i care if India is capable of producing competent fifth generation aircraft which can match up to any competition in the region and beyond

 

[OrionHunter]

What about Sukhois & Migs,don't worry the comming reforms in D-PSUs along with a greater role to pvt sector will ensure that we absorb all the technologies

That's the problem! We are apprehensive in allowing the private sector to participate due to a skewed sense of secrecy.

 

[ejaz007]

Is it just me or do others also think we need to make Su-30 MKI copies into LCA mk2 and mk3.

To hell with TOT and legalities. Go the China route.

Steal and replicate the tech. HAL by itself will never be able to produce even a decent trainer aircraft. Some people thinking HAL can make 6th generation aircraft or AMCA by itself.

Russia can sell nukes to Pakistan for all i care if India is capable of producing competent fifth generation aircraft which can match up to any competition in the region and beyond

You just don't wake up one day and build fifth generation fighter. First need to have all the infrastructure.

Learn to build a fourth generation fighter first then think about fifth generation. Do not eat what you can not digest.

 

[Echo_419]

That's the problem! We are apprehensive in allowing the private sector to participate due to a skewed sense of secrecy.

well new govt wants to improve our Defense Industrial complex,so they will definitely give a greater role to Pvt sector

You just don't wake up one day and build fifth generation fighter. First need to have all the infrastructure.

Learn to build a fourth generation fighter first then think about fifth generation. Do not eat what you can not digest.

We are already building many 4 th gen fighters like SU-30MKI & LCA

 

[ptltejas]

great going Anthony..keep on negotiating..red tape at its best!

red tape?

 

[Informant]

Nahin aega Rafael, sukuun karo

 

[ejaz007]

well new govt wants to improve our Defense Industrial complex,so they will definitely give a greater role to Pvt sector

We are already building many 4 th gen fighters like SU-30MKI & LCA

You are building SU-30MKI. That is a news for me. Don't tell Russians about it.

LCA is under testing and not yet inducted.

 

[Echo_419]

You are building SU-30MKI. That is a news for me. Don't tell Russians about it.

LCA is under testing and not yet inducted.

LCA is currently in serial production dude,FOC is achieved when the air force has a Squadron

 

[ejaz007]

LCA is currently in serial production dude,FOC is achieved when the air force has a Squadron

Can you share with me the squadron number of the LCA. I still understand they are in testing phase.