France’s fakement on Pakistani JF-17 Thunders

[WAQAS119]

Pakistani JF-17 Thunders are already flying without the French parts. The new parts would have enhanced the capability of the aircraft. The PAF has learned its lessons from various US embargoes and now uses a plethora of equipment from various countries for the enhancements. Islamabad does not depend on any one country. The JF-17 Thunder is built from scratch on exact Pakistani needs and most of the equipment, frame and electronics are indigenous. France like the US has never been a reliable supplier for Pakistan. In the 70s the French canceled a Nuclear processing plant that had been signed between the two countries. is there an Israeli connection to this “hold”? Some blame France’s latest chicanery on the Jewish origins of President Sarkozy who has taken all of France to the right of center–abandoning traditional French neutrality on many issues. France has vehemently opposed Turkey’s admission to the EU tying it to Israel’s admittance.

Three is a disjunction between private and public French posturing. Islamabad is used to French double-dealing, duplicity, and equivocation. This latest sleight-of-hand scurvy trick is typical of France’s subterfuge and deceitful fakement. The recent French turpitude on putting a $1.6 billion deal for Pakistan “on hold” is being seen as silly surreptitious trickery by Sarkozy and gang to secure the lucrative Bharati (aka Indian) deal first and put then pressure on Pakistan to force Islamabad to buy the Augustas rather than the German 214 Submarines.

France sells arms to anyone and everyone. This new found streak of logic-chopping insta-conscience may have been nurtured to please Delhi–secure the $2.2 billion deal with with Bharat to upgrade its aging and archaic fleet of Mirage 2000 fighters–and then approve the Pakistani parts.

In a carefully crafted tergiversation France said that it had put the Pakistan deal “It’s a deal that’s not ready from the Pakistani side,” the source said, without giving further details. “For now, the state of the dossier doesn’t allow us to carry on with it.”

A consortium made up of French company ATE, arms group Thales (TCFP.PA) and missile manufacturer MBDA was supposed to produce the equipment, Le Monde said. Thales declined to comment. Reuters

Not ready from the Pakistani side? What does that mean. There is no check attached with the dossier? What does “state of the dossier” mean? Are the kicbacks not working?–or is it a tactic to place pressure on Pakistan to deal with those that killed the French Engineers working on the Augustas in Karachi.

Analysts beleive that pettifoggery may be linked to slowing down Pakistan’s indigenous plane capability which will directly impact the sale of French Mirages to the third world. Paris may be looking to better safeguards on its technology and a better price from Pakistan.

The French ruse may also be a tickler for Delhi’s MCRC $10 billion deal. With Delhi’s relations with Washington at their lowest ebb, and souring, the French team may be working to get their foot in the door on the $10 sale of aircraft to Bharat.

New Delhi: The France government held up its 1.6 billion dollars sale of arms to Pakistan, reportedly under pressure from India.

The military hardware was to be used for Pakistan’s JF-17 combat aircraft. The sale of electronics and missiles, under the first part of a six billion euro deal, was signed with Islamabad.

Paris is said to be concerned over whether Pakistan would be able to pay-off the huge deal amount or not. And, also worried over the safety of the sophisticated technology.

However, experts are not willing to accept India would be able to exert pressue on France to hold the deal for long.

“I don’t really know how much pressure India can really exert on France because in the past we have seen that America has tremendous influence on their policies,” said Hamid Gul, former DG of ISI.

“Americans have supplied us already. They have committed to supply us 18 F-16 aircraft. Any aircraft that France can put out it can be outmatched by what the Americans can do.”

“We have very good relations in this field with China and we have developed JF-17 Thunder. We don’t see any immediate possibility of war. Therefore we have time in which we can develop technology,” he added. IBN and agencies.

In 2008 Pakistan Navy under chief of naval staff Admiral Muhammad Afzal Tahir made efforts for including German 214 Class submarines in its fleet and owing to Navy’s persistent efforts, the government had approved plans for acquisition of these submarines to be built at Karachi Shipyard under transfer of technology programme.

The details were later worked out between the two countries when a Pakistan Navy delegation visited Germany in April.

However recently quoting Pakistani government sources, the Financial Times Deutschland says President Asif Zardari may overrule his military’s preference for the German subs to take up a “better offer” from France.



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[Indestructible]

They are afraid of JF-17 becoming a mini Rafael in such low cost And I don't think so that deal will go through now.

 

[Moscow]

will directly impact the sale of French Mirages to the third world.

just one query because have discussed this in detail on another thread
are the french still selling the mirages? because i thought their production line was closed and rafale is their only offering now

 

[arsalan shafique]

French SUCK!!!!!!

 

[blain2]

just one query because have discussed this in detail on another thread
are the french still selling the mirages? because i thought their production line was closed and rafale is their only offering now

No they are done. But the author may have been referring to future sales by Dassault like the Rafale.

 

[blain2]

However recently quoting Pakistani government sources, the Financial Times Deutschland says President Asif Zardari may overrule his military’s preference for the German subs to take up a “better offer” from France.



France?s fakement on Pakistani JF-17 Thunders - CombatAircraft.com News

The president is no longer in the position to influence anything until someone in the MoD is in bed with him to go for the French SSKs.

 

[Peregrine]

Hi
i would like to ask some thing can Supreme Court of Pakistan intervene incase Mr z. decide to stuff his nose into this matter? and can we as citizens of Pakistan bring this issue under the eyes of Supreme Court? looting the national wealth is one thing but meddling with national defense shouldn't be tolerated, even General Kiyani should intervene if its necessary.

 

[Mani2020]

just one query because have discussed this in detail on another thread
are the french still selling the mirages? because i thought their production line was closed and rafale is their only offering now

As i have already explained it in another thread but for u i will again

Countries that have economic constraints they cant buy brand new aircrafts with such huge price tag so in order to keep their airforces in good shape they buy used stuff from other rich countries who retires their aircrafts....

For example if UAE sells her used mirages thn the country which will buy them will obviously do refurbishment and upgradation stuff, this all stuff will go to french as a result they will earn dollars

Remember when Pak bought used Mirages from Australlia and libya although these were purchased from different countries but for upgradation purpose and for ROSE stuff contract was given to french and french earn handsome money

But if any country can buy a new jf-17 aircraft of almost same capabilities as mirage2k9 or any series of mirage2k thn tell me which country will like to buy the used stuff?

And that will ultimately effect the french business and dollars which they could have easily gain through that...

hope u understood

 

[Machoman]

hmm please let me know if France sell Rafeal then who sells EF? England, Germany or Italy?

 

[Mani2020]

hmm please let me know if France sell Rafeal then who sells EF? England, Germany or Italy?

French has nothing to do with EF-2000 coz Ef-2000 is a joint venture b/w Britain,germany and italy so they are responsible for its sales n stuff where as french have their own indigenous fighter in the market i.e Rafale

 

[intelarpit]

Hi
i would like to ask some thing can Supreme Court of Pakistan intervene incase Mr z. decide to stuff his nose into this matter? and can we as citizens of Pakistan bring this issue under the eyes of Supreme Court? looting the national wealth is one thing but meddling with national defense shouldn't be tolerated, even General Kiyani should intervene if its necessary.

Government of Pakistan is sovereign in making these decisions and Judiciary will not and should not interfere.(Separation of Power theory)

Thanks

 

[Peregrine]

Government of Pakistan is sovereign in making these decisions and Judiciary will not andshould not interfere should not interfere.(Separation of Power theory)

Thanks

Hi
Well i am not certain, but i have a hunch that it can intervene, if that is the case then Supreme Court should. that Man already enjoys a notorious repo regarding kick backs & all, he should never have been allowed to occupy such a position in first place, And supreme court is a little skeptic about him already, why should he be allowed to interfere in defense matters. "separation of power" needs a "System of Checks & Balances" to work effectively & that my friend can only be provided by judiciary

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Pak media or the GOP did not say a word about this cancellation........whay is that?

 

[intelarpit]

Hi
Well i am not certain, but i have a hunch that it can intervene, if that is the case then Supreme Court should. that Man already enjoys a notorious repo regarding kick backs & all, he should never have been allowed to occupy such a position in first place, And supreme court is a little skeptic about him already, why should he be allowed to interfere in defense matters. "separation of power" needs a "System of Checks & Balances" to work effectively & that my friend can only be provided by judiciary

Hii

When we talk about separation of power, then we cannot say that there are no checks and balances. There are of course.

When we talk about President, then there is a complete procedure to remove him. But it is through Parliament and not Judiciary. If we give this power to Judiciary then Judiciary will be supreme which is against the spirit of democracy because President and other members are the "Representatives of People" and they have the first right to govern the country.

A democratically "Elected" President Should not be removed by "selected" Judge.

Moreover this is foreign affair. And Judiciary is not responsible for foreign affairs.

Regards

 

[Peregrine]

Hii

When we talk about separation of power, then we cannot say that there are no checks and balances. There are of course.

When we talk about President, then there is a complete procedure to remove him. But it is through Parliament and not Judiciary. If we give this power to Judiciary then Judiciary will be supreme which is against the spirit of democracy because President and other members are the "Representatives of People" and they have the first right to govern the country.

A democratically "Elected" President Should not be removed by "selected" Judge.

Moreover this is foreign affair. And Judiciary is not responsible for foreign affairs.

Regards

Hi
we are talking of Pakistan here not the American or British governments in general, secondly no is talking about removing him. Actually the supreme court it self was handi capped when he took charge and at that time there were several cases against him, its not even about that it's his meddling with defense, and its a matter of defense first then foreign affairs, it is the ministry of defense that approves which submarine to go with then ministry of foreign affairs comes in