France refuses to budge on IAF specifications for Rafale

[Rank]

lollllllllll

ooo sahi kah rya waan mama aa french boooot begerat nay lolzz bayshak insay kaho acha pichlay wing pe eek chuta sa daba banadoo uskay b begerat 1Billion $ charge kareengay **** kaheen kay lol

 

[[Bregs]]

ooo sahi kah rya waan mama aa french boooot begerat nay lolzz bayshak insay kaho acha pichlay wing pe eek chuta sa daba banadoo uskay b begerat 1Billion $ charge kareengay **** kaheen kay lol

lol well said dear

 

[MMG]

Scrap Rafale Deal altogether and focus on FGFA or PAK-FA on war time footing. Divert all resources, menpower and finance toward it and get it inducted by end of 2016.

 

[INDIAISM]

dont count your chickens till they hatch

thing is UAE & quatar will never go for what SA wants them to go for in the first place and who knows saudies may finance this deal for PAF aswell to make them do what they want

With crude oil at 49$ per barrel, budget deficit at all time high and with iran opening up (which means more downside for crude oil) i seriously doubt that SA has any Free money left to finance defence budget of other country... ....

 

[GURU DUTT]

With crude oil at 49$ per barrel, budget deficit at all time high and with iran opening up (which means more downside for crude oil) i seriously doubt that SA has any Free money left to finance defence budget of other country... ....

what about the money they made since 1950s

 

[BordoEnes]

Drop the fvckers already. Take this from people which have experienced buying French weaponry, its not worth it. India doesnt deserved to be dragged through the mud like this.

 

[INDIAISM]

what about the money they made since 1950s

You mean the 650 Billion $ buffer that they accumulated during good years... It Won't last long....according To IMF estimates Saudi's are loosing 12 Billion Dollars per month(when Crude was at 62 $ per Barrel)....the break even point for crude to fund saudi budget is 106 $ per barrel....

 

[Donatello]

Why in the name of whatever god, they are trying to force Astra integration? When you can clearly buy tested weapons package from France?

 

[Last Samuri]

Why in the name of whatever god, they are trying to force Astra integration? When you can clearly buy tested weapons package from France?

Astra will be compatable with all future indian fighters when it is inducted ie

Tested on SU30MKI
Built for integration on LCA
Will be used on PAK FA/FGFA

Astra will be further developed to a ram jet version

Finally indian will retain and fight with foreign imported BVRS and I believe their are some 5000 bvrs from Russia Israel and france in service as we speak.

BUT A INDENGIOUS BVR which can be used accrross ALL 4 future combat types is essential

Su30mki LCA Rafale & PAK FA

 

[SpArK]

Why in the name of whatever god, they are trying to force Astra integration? When you can clearly buy tested weapons package from France?

If you have lemons at home u would prefer to make home made lemonade instead of buying from outside.

Here the glass is made in France but since we have grown our own lemon tree we are insisting on squeezing those lemons and make home made lemonade served in foreign glass ............chilled. Cost effectiveness. Ready availability.

Got the point?

 

[rockstarIN]

it takes at least 12 tests like that to make it vaible and that to on multiple platforms

astra is still at least 5 years from maturity then why start beating the chest just yet ?

thing is IAF top bosses know there is no way they can make cuts like before so want france to take initaiative and make some "special arrangements" and thats it .... but frenchies this time are not willing till they have the first chuque in there hands which as of now these genrals cant force new MOD & MOD to do

Astra is the best, it will evolve by shredding off the limitations of MICA/R-77.

It is the future for us.!

 

[qamar1990]

good going ISI another success to delay the deal.

 

[Donatello]

If you have lemons at home u would prefer to make home made lemonade instead of buying from outside.

Here the glass is made in France but since we have grown our own lemon tree we are insisting on squeezing those lemons and make home made lemonade served in foreign glass ............chilled. Cost effectiveness. Ready availability.

Got the point?

No, did not get the point, because it is beyond stupid.

You want to develop local lemonade, that is fine. You can do it in a Joint venture and ask the partners to transfer skill and knowledge.

But the whole point of your MMRCA was to purchase the product as it is off the shelf because it is already available. So no time should be lost in harvesting and squeezing the lemons. The idea was since India would order 126 (and many ignorant fools thought it would order a follow up 72 more), it makes sense to ask the supplier to 'assemble' some of them in India.

The assembly part is where Indians messed up. Demanding that French be responsible for the quality of product assembled in India by an Indian firm. That's not how business is done, and that is not how it is done in the west. Either you let them do the full job and accept the product liability or you do it yourself and take responsibility.

When the original MMRCA deal was lost, and only 36 ordered, tell me why would the supplier offer the same deal when YOU yourself are unable to stick to your original tender of 126?

So basically, you are trying hard to squeeze lemons that aren't there.

 

[Zarvan]

The ongoing negotiations with France to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets has hit an air-pocket with the French negotiators refusing to accept changed technical specifications from the Indian Air Force (IAF) for integrating the indigenous Astra missile to the French platform.

The IAF wants certain changes in the platform configuration to integrate the DRDO-made air-to-air, beyond-visual-range Astra missile, which was successfully test-fired from a Su-30 MKI aircraft. The missile was tested twice on consecutive days in March.

Following the success, IAF wants modification and reconfiguration of some of the avionics and weapon systems to keep an window open for integration of Astra at a later date.

The French side objected to the idea because a change in the configuration means going through the aircraft certification process once again, which would lead to an increase in cost. Instead, Paris wants to supply its own air-to-air missiles, which New Delhi will have to purchase additionally.

Another sticky point in the negotiation is the offset clause, under which Rafale manufacturer Dassault Aviation would have to reinvest a part of the money it would earn from India after selling the Rafale jets, in Indian military industry.

The defence ministry constituted a committee headed by Air Marshal SBP Sinha to negotiate with the French team that offered the jets almost at the same price as was being discussed in the previous global tender process, which has been scrapped by the Narendra Modi government.

During his April visit to Paris, Modi made an announcement to buy 36 Rafale aircraft from France in a government-to-government contract. The previous process to buy 126 fighter jets to replace the ageing MiG-21s, was abandoned.

French defence minister Jean-Yves Le Drian met his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar in Delhi in May to work out the details of the acquisition plan in a time bound manner. The two sides decided to complete the price negotiation by July 31, but then the deal encountered rough weather. There was no meeting between the two sides in the recent past, which may be an indication of the stalemate.

“The benchmark for the prices are already there since the (French) deal with Egypt and Qatar has been struck. The price of the aircraft to India cannot be less than what the other two countries have bought it for,” sources said.

Defence Ministry officials still hope to conclude the deal at a price, which could be just 2-3 per cent per cent more that what was being discussed between the two sides in the earlier process.

This is far more entertaining than Bollywood

 

[Dr Gupta]

Integrating Astra on the Rafale is vital as it lower's the ongoing costs! French want us to procure their expensive missiles as it means more cash for them this is normal but IAF and MoD should hold firm in this regard.