France planning to build and DOMINATE EU Army, Nato claims as nation neglects duties

[Immortan.Joe]

We did, what we did...

Yes. You did what you did; now stop brooding over it. Your constant self-flagellation is making you weak and vulnerable and is robbing world of a balancing pole.

Both Germany and Japan are military colonies. They are economic sovereign, but militarily they are structured by their masters in such a way that they are worse-off than some third rate tin pot militias; Germany more than Japan as it has imbibed guilt at a much fundamental level than Japan. It is about time both Germany and Japan rip apart their war time constitution (imposed by outsiders) and start acting like normal countries. Japan at lest is showing initiative.

 

[Penguin]

which other countries are in EU army?

That's a difficult question to answer, as it depends on how you define EU army.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_European_Union#Membership

Germany - is an occupied country with very limited rights.

If that were so, then the same would apply to UK
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/23/seventy-years-time-close-us-bases

Foreign Military Bases in Germany (2007)
http://www.deutscher-friedensrat.de/pdf/ForeignBasesiG.pdf

At its peak in 1953, the U.S. had approximately 450,000 troops in Europe operating across 1,200 sites due to the Soviet threat to Western Europe. Today, only 67,000 U.S. troops remain permanently based in Europe. The U.S. is on pace to have only 17 main operating bases left on the continent, primarily in Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom, Turkey, and Spain. The number of U.S. installations in Europe has declined steadily since the Cold War when, for example, in 1990, the U.S. Army alone had more than 850 sites in Europe. Today, the total number for all services is approximately 350.
http://index.heritage.org/military/2015/chapter/op-environment/europe/

In 2012 the U.S. had approximately 80,000 military personnel in 28 main operating bases in Europe, so thats more than 10 bases and13,000 troops gone in just the last 4 years.

http://www.heritage.org/research/re...rica-safe-why-us-bases-in-europe-remain-vital

 

[BetterPakistan]

France is already the most powerful military in EU as its conventional war making capabilities are the best in EU.

 

[haviZsultan]

French and British rivalry is well known. But except for such rare occassions the 2 nations have advanced beyond these problems.

 

[Vergennes]

@Vauban You can have the lead under one condition...;-)

I see you coming you fritz.

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

 

[TMA]

lol, they're actually a completely neutered force, a unionized army

and kept that way by the US by design, leaving NATO would possibly be the best thing the Germans could do for themselves.

A dream come true, if Germany could do this.

 

[UKBengali]

Hi,

That is a very strange post----. French equipment is as or more durable, capable potent than the UK.

The mirage 3 / 5 are still flying full force in paf---maybe for another 5 years. Any UK aircraft of that vintage---. The Augusta 70 is still working for the pak navy---the comparable UK sub that pak was considering retd 12 or 15 years ago.

Any 80's vintage UK fighter aircraft around!!!!!

How about the Rafale---4 years ahead of the eurofighter in service---whereas eurofighter is built by a consortium.

As for UK Astute----it is not " all " UK design---Uncle sam has a lots of input in it.

True that UK needed US help with Astute but it is a given that UK has better SSN technology than France.
Just look at the Trafalgar class which is superior than the equivalent French sub.

Now do not try to claim that France builds better jet engines than UK or can make a radar as
good as the world-beating Sampson on the Type-45 destroyer.

France is in the 2nd tier of technological powers and is not at the level of US, UK, Germany or Japan. The only reason that Germany and Japan lack in some areas of military tech is because of constraints due to WW2.

 

[flamer84]

True that UK needed US help with Astute but it is a given that UK has better SSN technology than France.
Just look at the Trafalgar class which is superior than the equivalent French sub.

Now do not try to claim that France builds better jet engines than UK or can make a radar as
good as the world-beating Sampson on the Type-45 destroyer.

France is in the 2nd tier of technological powers and is not at the level of US, UK, Germany or Japan. The only reason that Germany and Japan lack in some areas of military tech is because of constraints due to WW2.

Absolutely wrong .To call a nation that buils it's own nuclear/diesel submarines,warships,fighter jets (and the first one in Europe with AESA radar),cruise missiles,Anti ship missiles,tanks,etc a 2nd tire technology nation is just absurd.Ofcourse ,we all know that you're butthurt against France.

The UK is not near France when it comes to fighter jet tech for example because it has outsorced its industry to the US.Same thing happening to helicopters right now.France,at best,switched to work with other EU pasrtners,see EADS,Airbus,etc,maintaining a solid grip on the technology in the same time.

 

[Vergennes]

True that UK needed US help with Astute but it is a given that UK has better SSN technology than France.
Just look at the Trafalgar class which is superior than the equivalent French sub.

Now do not try to claim that France builds better jet engines than UK or can make a radar as
good as the world-beating Sampson on the Type-45 destroyer.

France is in the 2nd tier of technological powers and is not at the level of US, UK, Germany or Japan. The only reason that Germany and Japan lack in some areas of military tech is because of constraints due to WW2.

Anything to back your claims ?
No,as always.

Absolutely wrong .To call a nation that buils it's own nuclear/diesel submarines,warships,fighter jets (and the first one in Europe with AESA radar),cruise missiles,Anti ship missiles,tanks,etc a 2nd tire technology nation is just absurd.Ofcourse ,we all know that you're butthurt against France.

The UK is not near France when it comes to fighter jet tech for example because it has outsorced its industry to the US.Same thing happening to helicopters right now.France,at best,switched to work with other EU pasrtners,see EADS,Airbus,etc,maintaining a solid grip on the technology in the same time.

He can say that some other's gears are better than ours,but he doesn't give any datas or sources to back his claims,he's just speaking with hatred of everything that is french,because of jealousy maybe.

 

[flamer84]

He can say that some other's gears are better than ours,but he doesn't give any datas or sources to back his claims,he's just speaking with hatred of everything that is french,you just have to look at his posts.

Remember him foaming at the mouth when France won the Australian sub bid ? Nothing to see here,he's butthurt with France because you don't allow women to walk around in tents.Best to ignore these stupid rants.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Look at those butthurt anglo-saxons in the comment sections.
They don't like when latin countries are leaders.

you should see the daily mail. i want to leave the eu but i think its that major except for the migrant problem which is big. i know we wont leave we will just get some exceptions and its for the best i guess.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Don't worry,I have seen all the trash the guys are writing in here.
But it doesn't only target migrants,merkel,cameron,muslims whatsoever,but also us.
Everytime there's an article about france there's the anti french brigade writing BS over there.
Of course they only applaud France and the french when we ban veils or evict migrants,roma gypsies.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...est-Police-clear-Roma-gypsy-camps-France.html

do note that the vast mojoroty dont read those papers only very low class people who think directly in the short term read them. kinda like trump supporters. so what your doing here is your saying were all like that. i only hate migrants who dont contribute to society and are sane and dont get upto no good but you cant pick them at the border. apperantly david is saying we will let them in but if they are not working in 6 months they are out and they cant get benefits for 2 years and those 2 years they must be working. but if they open up shops then your alright. but its no good your only selling stuff for eastern europeans. do note these very low class people who read these papers are the hit the hardest to understand what they are saying from theri side but then again they dont think long term like germany. think to your self very carefully why are they doing what they are doing? when i mean long term i mean 30+ years

 

[flamer84]

but if they open up shops then your alright. but its no good your only selling stuff for eastern europeans.

What do you mean by that ? Polish/Romanian restaurants opened because there's a need for that.I eat regurlarly at a Romanian one.That doesn't mean that if a Brit likes Eastern European food he won't be served or kicked out,lol . There are muslim halal restaurants,Indian ones,Sri lankan,Italian ,Turkish,Chinese,etc restaurants.Why would EE ones be an exception ?

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

they dont think long term like germany. think to your self very carefully why are they doing what they are doing? when i mean long term i mean 30+ years

Long term like Germany...I am really curious?