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Framework announced - Iran remains a nuclear threshold state , sanctions will be lifted

What kind of negotiators did Iran send there and can we borrow them the next time we are negotiating with a nation. ;) ;) .. Although its not signed nor the actual agreement has come to pass but the framework us very good from Iran's point of view. They get to continue their nuclear program and research and the sanctions are lifted from united nations which will help a struggling Irani economy. Let's see what the agreement is.
 
It is great news, very great indeed . I went through the whole thread and saw many different comments. But in reality , Iran emerges as the winner of the deal by all means, since it has nothing to lose anyways, and everything to gain from lifting the sanctions all of them. The nuclear sites inspections were going on for the the last decade at least, the civilian nuclear program was advancing and will continue doing so, even some military sites were inspected in the past, it is just the abuse that was rejected as bullying.
Some people are blaming the negotiators in this thread, and they shouldn't, these guys were negotiating according to the supreme leader's guidelines and red lines for the best deal for the Iranian nation; a good deal or no deal at all. knowing how shroud he is, if he has accepted the deal it has to be a good deal. He has managed (giving directions) Iran under the heaviest sanctions imposed on any nation in history like a champion; making it a regional superpower and a world power to recon with, issued the non nuclear weapon Fatwa that has disarmed the most skeptics in the West and beyond (but the warmongers!) and has made Iran a technological and scientific world power.
The deal as such takes nothing from this, and any additions are just positive value added to Iran.
So in reality the deal is positive for Iran and consequently to the rest of the world anyway one looks at it... Positive vibes are coming even from the US house of representatives , the senate and the congress, let alone the Europeans, Chinese and Russians.
 
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A very good article published in the Dawn of today.

Saudi-Israeli anti-Iran nexus
PERVEZ HOODBHOY — PUBLISHED about 12 hours ago


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The writer teaches physics in Lahore and Islamabad.
A WAR-TORN world heaved a sigh of relief on Thursday night after success was declared at the Iran nuclear talks in Lausanne, Switzerland. Months of tortuous negotiations have ended for now, while a fuller agreement is to be finalised by the end of June. This is huge cause for celebration — peace has been given a chance.

But there is gloom in the capitals of Washington’s two closest allies — Israel and Saudi Arabia. They would much rather have seen Iran bombed, and now this is only a remote possibility. Worried at the possibility of an Iran-US rapprochement, and claiming that Iran will cheat along its nuclear path, both had strongly denounced the talks. But the United States, still licking its wounds after its Iraq debacle, is in no mood to start another war.

US-Israeli relations are unusually frosty these days. Last month’s address to the US Congress by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was a calculated insult to President Barack Obama. Manipulating the deep divide within American domestic politics, and backed by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee together with other powerful Jewish groups, he brazenly called for obstructing US policy. To Obama’s chagrin, Netanyahu’s anti-Iran rant received thunderous applause with several Democrats joining in. Then, last Sunday, denouncing the talks yet again, Netanyahu told his cabinet, “The Iran-Lausanne-Yemen axis is very dangerous to humanity, and must be stopped.”

The triumph of Iranian pragmatism has left Israel and Saudi Arabia deeply dismayed.
Anti-Obama forces in the US teamed up with their Israeli counterparts to obstruct a deal. On March 24, the head of the Senate Armed Forces Committee and a former presidential candidate, Senator John McCain, suggested that Israel “go rogue” — meaning it should bomb Iran without US support. Else, he said, Israel’s security would remain threatened for the remaining 22 months of the Obama presidency. Earlier, 47 Republican senators sent a letter to the Iranian leadership that the nuclear agreement will not outlast President Obama.

Saudi Arabia, for its own reasons, is even more gung-ho. While expressing token opposition to Israel’s stash of nuclear weapons, it has long concentrated its fire on Iran’s nuclear programme. Thanks to WikiLeaks, it is now well known that King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia had repeatedly urged the US to destroy Iran’s nuclear programme and launch military strikes to “cut off the head of the snake”. In 2011, the influential former head of Saudi intelligence and ambassador in London and Washington, Prince Turki bin Faisal, described Iran as a “paper tiger with steel claws”, which used these claws for meddling and destabilising efforts in countries with Shia minorities. Saudi Arabia has reportedly given tacit assent to overflights by Israeli bombers en route to the Persian Gulf.

And what of Pakistan? A former supplier of centrifuges to Iran via the covert A.Q. Khan network, and formerly its friendly neighbour, it has maintained a studious silence. For long a Saudi client state, Pakistan is now rushing to defend Saudi interests in Yemen, implausibly claiming that Saudi Arabia’s territorial integrity is threatened by Yemen’s impoverished Houthis. Which side Pakistan would have taken if the nuclear talks had failed, and if Iran had been attacked, is not in doubt.

While the Israeli-Saudi cause has received a terrific setback, a determined campaign to derail the agreement may well have just begun. At the core, Iran and the United States have widely divergent interests. Therefore many fears and fault lines are just waiting to be exploited.

Here’s the problem: Iran currently does not have an active programme to convert its fissile material into bombs. But it does want a capacity to make nuclear weapons as insurance against an American (or Israeli) effort at regime change. It cannot forget that a 1953 CIA coup had removed Mohammed Mossadegh and installed Reza Shah Pahlavi as head of state. Also, as an ideological state, Iran seeks to extend its influence beyond its borders. So if it could become a nuclear state, its punch and prestige would increase dramatically.

The world, in fact, has long suspected that, contrary to official denials, the Iranian programme had a bomb component. In 1998, Iran was delighted by Pakistan’s successful nuclear tests. Just five days later, foreign minister Kamal Kharazi arrived in Islamabad to congratulate Pakistan. Iran had hoped at that time to benefit from Pakistan’s expertise and eventually purchased the Chinese nuclear weapon design from the A.Q. Khan network. From the economic point of view, moreover, Iran’s massive investment in nuclear infrastructure makes no economic sense.

The United States interests are diametrically opposite. It is Iranophobic and will strain every muscle to prevent Iran from ever getting a nuclear weapon. It realises, however, that eliminating the Iranian nuclear programme is impossible. Therefore, its immediate objective is reducing Iran’s ‘break-out’ capacity to at least one year. So, if someday Iran tries to race for a bomb, the US wants enough time to detect and destroy it.

At Lausanne the US got some of what it wanted. Iran agreed to increased access by the IAEA to its nuclear facilities; no enrichment beyond that needed for nuclear power production; sharply reduced stockpiling of fissile material stockpiles; far fewer centrifuges; reconstruction of the Arak reactor (so that it cannot produce weapons-grade plutonium); and close monitoring of weapons-related issues. If implemented, these will drastically curtail Iran’s ability for a break-out. In exchange Iran got some of what it wants: sanctions relief from the US and EU, a transparent procurement channel for its civilian nuclear development, and international cooperation to help Iran in R&D.

The triumph of Iranian pragmatism has left Israel and Saudi Arabia deeply dismayed. Their diplomats and lobbyists will now be assigned the task of destroying the Lausanne agreement. They must so wish the easily discreditable firebrand, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, rather than the moderate Hassan Rouhani, was their adversary. But now Iran may well be on its way towards ending its international isolation. Could this also lead to a more normal, and less interventionist, Iran? My Iranian physicist friends across the border tell me that they are delighted at the agreement for this reason more than any other.

The writer teaches physics in Lahore and Islamabad.

Saudi-Israeli anti-Iran nexus - Newspaper - DAWN.COM
 
The intrusive inspections will go to anywhere in Iran including sensitive military sites. If Iran refuses, IAEA will report it back, and all sanctions will be reinstated. How can IRGC and supreme leaders accept such these intrusive inspections remains to be seen.

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1.IRGC is not dumb
2.For every inspector that arrives in Iran you will have 10 Iranian spies tracking the ''inspectors'' *** from the moment he steps on a plane towards Iran.
3.Anyone that thinks that Iran will show everything to the US,EU is a fool, seriously... there are some projects that foreigners will never see a glimpse of it.
 
The room for interpretation of of a couple of Words made it posible for the western powers to destroy libya. A deal like this with such a wast margine for interpretation is a deathsentese! Fow what? So that a few persons can get supper rich, like the guy that was pushing for license to import American cigarettes (!) and our nations at the mercy of the West. It is obvious, that our nation has lost the public relations and education war to the West too. I am too sad to even write about it. So here is an article worth leaveing you with for a while:

Top Scientists Warn Nuclear Bombs Deadlier Than Ever | Veterans Today

You pakistani and indians would really enjoy reading this one!
Good luck and with regards
 
Pakistan is a far more unstable country than Iran. They have the bomb and nobody loses much sleep over it.
There isn't however, any evidence Iran wants a bomb. Even Mossad haven't come up with anything.
What's wrong with Pakistan having a bomb but it's ok for Britain to have nukes? This sense of entitlement is very annoying.
Top Scientists Warn Nuclear Bombs Deadlier Than Ever | Veterans Today

You pakistani and indians would really enjoy reading this one!
Good luck and with regards
Wha't there to enjoy reading about it? It's scary indeed. But i want to say that Iran is more in danger of a nuclear strike than Pakistan or India, because MAD is not applicable to Iran and Israel is Iran's sworn enemy.
 
What's wrong with Pakistan having a bomb but it's ok for Britain to have nukes? This sense of entitlement is very annoying.
Because Britain doesn't have a territorial dispute with a nuclear armed neighbour. Many also thought for years that there could be a Deobandi/Salafist coup in Pakistan although that seems unlikely now.
 
Because Britain doesn't have a territorial dispute with a nuclear armed neighbour. Many also thought for years that there could be a Deobandi/Salafist coup in Pakistan although that seems unlikely now.
But Britain did have an ideological dispute with USSR which could very well have resulted in a nuclear war, so why didn't Britain quit the nuclear program back then?
 
But Britain did have an ideological dispute with USSR which could very well have resulted in a nuclear war, so why didn't Britain quit the nuclear program back then?
I admit it's not really an issue of fairness. The NNPT was designed to preserve the UNSC five monopoly.
Nevertheless, the fact that only four countries have refused to sign it can only be a good thing.
 
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It is great news, very great indeed . I went through the whole thread and saw many different comments. But in reality , Iran emerges as the winner of the deal by all means, since it has nothing to lose anyways, and everything to gain from lifting the sanctions all of them. The nuclear sites inspections were going on for the the last decade at least, the civilian nuclear program was advancing and will continue doing so, even some military sites were inspected in the past, it is just the abuse that was rejected as bullying.

I agree generally but as usual have few points

it is not just a free and easy ride for Iranians because the previous inspections of the nuclear sites exposed the Iranian engineers and scientists that were then murdered by the hostile countries in the region that see Iran as a prime threat.

any sort of a false flag on the lines of that alleged assassination plot by the Iranians against a Saudi diplomat in USA through third rate Mexican thugs which despite all its ridiculousness in its plot line got prime time coverage in the mainstream media until the hoax met a quick and unceremonious demise dismissed by even the ex CIA personnale as a false flag.

a similar plot can be hatched to harm American diplomats or military personal in the middle east and then blamed on Iran in order to include Iran as a target in the 10+ nation coalition of decisive storm with Israelis as special guest appearance to bomb Iranian nuclear sites.


to counter that. Iran should tread carefully keep Americans appraised and also lock up its emotionally charged blowhards that wake up with "Merg Ber Amrika" chant.

to put it mildly 2 countries in the regions are having sleepless nights but there are very good implications for entire region if this deal goes through and Iran is not squeezed more than it can bear and the pivot of power can move towards Iran after America reconsiders its foreign policy. yes it seems I am getting ahead of myself but there is hope.
 
I agree generally but as usual have few points

it is not just a free and easy ride for Iranians because the previous inspections of the nuclear sites exposed the Iranian engineers and scientists that were then murdered by the hostile countries in the region that see Iran as a prime threat.

any sort of a false flag on the lines of that alleged assassination plot by the Iranians against a Saudi diplomat in USA through third rate Mexican thugs which despite all its ridiculousness in its plot line got prime time coverage in the mainstream media until the hoax met a quick and unceremonious demise dismissed by even the ex CIA personnale as a false flag.

a similar plot can be hatched to harm American diplomats or military personal in the middle east and then blamed on Iran in order to include Iran as a target in the 10+ nation coalition of decisive storm with Israelis as special guest appearance to bomb Iranian nuclear sites.


to counter that. Iran should tread carefully keep Americans appraised and also lock up its emotionally charged blowhards that wake up with "Merg Ber Amrika" chant.

to put it mildly 2 countries in the regions are having sleepless nights but there are very good implications for entire region if this deal goes through and Iran is not squeezed more than it can bear and the pivot of power can move towards Iran after America reconsiders its foreign policy. yes it seems I am getting ahead of myself but there is hope.
Good points, but they can all be thwarted by the transparency on both sides of the deal.
 

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