Fourth Plutonium reactor under construction

[nirreich]

Not to those who have conscience, I can see that you don't have one! Thus we hear your zionist craps!



Slandering is in your blood!




Your state has been applying the nazi techniques upon the Palestinians.



You and the israeli politicians are champions of double-standard and you think that it's okay!




You've proven your skill in evading, lying and deviating from the topic!



That's what you think but you've forgotten that this forum is not your CNN, what you think is rejected by all except zionists from israel.




No, I don't take pleasure in talking to hate monger like you but I'm doing a great service to the human race by exposing your hatred and hypocrisy.




The native indians in america do it, at least 150 countries out of 188 do it and you cannot do anything about it unless your country decides to stop robbing and singing the hymns to cover up its dirty deeds.



Your arrogance is extra-ordinary, we'll see how long it lasts. 60-70 years is not a very long period in history, so don't be so sure of israel's bright days.

I have asked you a very simple question and you broke down and could not handle it and answered with throwing mud all over. This is very simple: do you have any proof, evidence, reliable information for your hallucinations about "concentration camps"? You want me to admit all sorts of fictions, but you do not present any facts - and I cannot admit something as true only on the basis of your pathology. If you do not have any facts, just say 'no', no need to write this length of hysteric bubbling. Breath deep, drink a glass of water, and take your pill.

Again, you did not deny your anti-Semitism and your racism. You are an embarrassment to anti-Semite everywhere for not being able to answer some simple questions of what you consider as inferior being. Some of your anti-Semite friends probably follow this debate, at least try to represent them with a bit of dignity.

You know, you can still be a degenerate anti-Semite and still be able to present arguments and talk like a civilised person. I know it is hard because this disease eats all your brain cells, which I can see clearly from your infantile replies, but try to make an effort. If you cannot defend any of your arguments with facts, just admit it.

BTW, there is a fundamental contradiction in your incitement: if you believe in the Nazi ideology, why you are making all this efforts to slander Israel as one? In your twisted views, isn't that a compliment?

You are constantly waving numbers of countries that are against Israel or the West in order to prove your arguments. I have already gave the example of Qaddafi for what a consensus of overwhelming majority of countries really worth, so for itself it does not a proof for anything. It is just another escape tactic of you.

For example, I do not use the overwhelming majority in the UN which rejected in 1991 the resolution that compared Zionism to racism in order to influence you to heal from your anti-Semitism because for itself it does not prove anything. Unfortunately, overwhelming majority of countries are failed states like your own country. Like yourself, they feel warm and comfort in spreading hatred than finally taking care of their own people and adopt a constructive policy. I do not give a dam what a bunch of failed states, including your own, think of Israel.

We can meet here again in 60-70 years and see that Israel continued to flourish while your civilisation continued to crumble. Why it should be different than today? You and your kind will stick to your pathological behaviour of self destruction which pushing the Muslim world downward and wait for a miracle to save you. Israel will continue to improve itself and give all its people, and especially its Arab citizens, far more better lives than of any Muslim in your precious civilisation.

 

[RazorMC]

IMO, Pakistan should not sign Fissile Material Cut-off Treaty at all.
Why should we restrict ourselves?
The US, UK and other countries have already developed enough nuclear arsenal. So why do they have a problem with us developing them?

India has already stockpiled enough material to develop bombs for years. The current Indo-US deal has served to increase the stockpile even further. The only country at a disadvantage is Pakistan.

@nirreich: Don't worry, we are not going to export our bombs. Why would we give our assets over to someone else for misuse? Regardless of what people say, we take the security of our nukes very seriously and are very responsible where their use is concerned.
Unlike the US, we have never used them in anger

 

[nirreich]

IMO, Pakistan should not sign Fissile Material Cut-off Treaty at all.
Why should we restrict ourselves?
The US, UK and other countries have already developed enough nuclear arsenal. So why do they have a problem with us developing them?

India has already stockpiled enough material to develop bombs for years. The current Indo-US deal has served to increase the stockpile even further. The only country at a disadvantage is Pakistan.

@nirreich: Don't worry, we are not going to export our bombs. Why would we give our assets over to someone else for misuse? Regardless of what people say, we take the security of our nukes very seriously and are very responsible where their use is concerned.
Unlike the US, we have never used them in anger

Pakistan already exported quite sophisticated technologies to Iran, Libya, and North Korea. Iran's nuclear programme is mainly based on Pakistani assistance, and if the ever develop nuclear weapons it will be because of this assistance. There were reliable reports that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were negotiated a nuclear deal. Regarding the security of the nuclear programmes, former nuclear scientists met Bin Laden few weeks before 11/9 and offered their services.

So, with all due respect, there are plenty of reasons to be worried about the expansion of Pakistan's plutonium programme.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Pakistan already exported quite sophisticated technologies to Iran, Libya, and North Korea. Iran's nuclear programme is mainly based on Pakistani assistance, and if the ever develop nuclear weapons it will be because of this assistance. There were reliable reports that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were negotiated a nuclear deal. Regarding the security of the nuclear programmes, former nuclear scientists met Bin Laden few weeks before 11/9 and offered their services.

So, with all due respect, there are plenty of reasons to be worried about the expansion of Pakistan's plutonium programme.

So much rubbish.

Anyways wat abt ur nuclear programe?Who supported tht?

Also didnt u guys offer nukes to the apartheid south african govt???
USA n france.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Pakistan already exported quite sophisticated technologies to Iran, Libya, and North Korea. Iran's nuclear programme is mainly based on Pakistani assistance, and if the ever develop nuclear weapons it will be because of this assistance. There were reliable reports that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were negotiated a nuclear deal. Regarding the security of the nuclear programmes, former nuclear scientists met Bin Laden few weeks before 11/9 and offered their services.

So, with all due respect, there are plenty of reasons to be worried about the expansion of Pakistan's plutonium programme.

AQ Khan, not Pakistan, otherwise one would have to argue that since entities in Western nations acted as suppliers of technology for Pakistani and Israeli nuclear programs, that it was those nations themselves that proliferated 'highly sophisticated nuclear technology' to Pakistan and Israel.

Secondly, Libya was sold a dud warhead design by AQ Khan, Iran was given an outdated centrifuge design, and there is no evidence NK was given anything - they already had a functioning Plutonium based nuclear weapons program, which allows for lighter and more powerful nuclear warheads. If anything, the North Koreans had the technology that Pakistan wanted, so it could shift away from HEU based nuclear weapons.

Proliferation from Pakistan by AQ Khan is nothing compared to the proliferation by entities in the West, that resulted in the nuclear weapons programs of Pakistan, Israel and other nations.

 

[T-Rex]

I have asked you a very simple question and you broke down and could not handle it and answered with throwing mud all over. This is very simple: do you have any proof, evidence, reliable information for your hallucinations about "concentration camps"? You want me to admit all sorts of fictions, but you do not present any facts - and I cannot admit something as true only on the basis of your pathology. If you do not have any facts, just say 'no', no need to write this length of hysteric bubbling. Breath deep, drink a glass of water, and take your pill.

Again, you did not deny your anti-Semitism and your racism. You are an embarrassment to anti-Semite everywhere for not being able to answer some simple questions of what you consider as inferior being. Some of your anti-Semite friends probably follow this debate, at least try to represent them with a bit of dignity.

You know, you can still be a degenerate anti-Semite and still be able to present arguments and talk like a civilised person. I know it is hard because this disease eats all your brain cells, which I can see clearly from your infantile replies, but try to make an effort. If you cannot defend any of your arguments with facts, just admit it.

BTW, there is a fundamental contradiction in your incitement: if you believe in the Nazi ideology, why you are making all this efforts to slander Israel as one? In your twisted views, isn't that a compliment?

You are constantly waving numbers of countries that are against Israel or the West in order to prove your arguments. I have already gave the example of Qaddafi for what a consensus of overwhelming majority of countries really worth, so for itself it does not a proof for anything. It is just another escape tactic of you.

For example, I do not use the overwhelming majority in the UN which rejected in 1991 the resolution that compared Zionism to racism in order to influence you to heal from your anti-Semitism because for itself it does not prove anything. Unfortunately, overwhelming majority of countries are failed states like your own country. Like yourself, they feel warm and comfort in spreading hatred than finally taking care of their own people and adopt a constructive policy. I do not give a dam what a bunch of failed states, including your own, think of Israel.

We can meet here again in 60-70 years and see that Israel continued to flourish while your civilisation continued to crumble. Why it should be different than today? You and your kind will stick to your pathological behaviour of self destruction which pushing the Muslim world downward and wait for a miracle to save you. Israel will continue to improve itself and give all its people, and especially its Arab citizens, far more better lives than of any Muslim in your precious civilisation.

Proof, is it not the sole possession of the zionists aand crusaders? We saw that before the Iraq war at the UN, didn't we? The entire world except your dad says that the Gaza siege is illegal but of course, to a zionist like you that is not a proof. As for 'breaking down' and 'throwing mud' you're the expert. Another guy has just exposed your hypocrisy about the topic but of course, you're shamelessness will compel you to come up with more of your zionist crap. Not 60-70 years, within the next 20 years see what happens to your daddy before predicting about israel.

 

[nirreich]

Proof, is it not the sole possession of the zionists aand crusaders? We saw that before the Iraq war at the UN, didn't we? The entire world except your dad says that the Gaza siege is illegal but of course, to a zionist like you that is not a proof. As for 'breaking down' and 'throwing mud' you're the expert. Another guy has just exposed your hypocrisy about the topic but of course, you're shamelessness will compel you to come up with more of your zionist crap. Not 60-70 years, within the next 20 years see what happens to your daddy before predicting about israel.

You are so lame, Why are you in this forum? To convince/influence with your opinions? How exactly? You do not communicate, you do not present any facts to support your arguments, you have anti-Semitic and primitive perceptions, and you do not know nothing about anything. You are just damaging the image of your own country and of its people. You are acting like anti-Semitic stereotype, straight from history books on typical Nazis. Are you for real? Do yourself a favour and sit quietly, your situation is already beyond embarrassing.

You silly and pathetic anti-Semite: What more do you want? I am ready to admit that all your stupidity is true and that pigs can fly, just present an evidence to your "concentration camps". I have already realised that no matter what proof I will present to disclaim your infantile arguments, you are not rational in your criticism which drives only on hatred against Israel. So, I am giving you the floor to make your case.

And again, waving with numbers of countries is not a proof of anything, this is all you could think of? What if a majority of countries would support Israel's policy? you will change your mind just because of that?

BTW, Israel's policy in Gaza has the support of all the ones who counts: the US and EU countries which sincerely concern about human rights and are ready to make efforts to guarantee them. The opinion of your own country and other failed states is insignificant and hypocritical: They should take care of their own human rights violations before lecturing Israel.

So, what do you say? escaping again for the hundred time or at last making a real argument like a growing and civilised human being? If you do not present any facts, then everyone could see the obvious: that your anti-Semitism got to do with your psychological situation and not with reality.

 

[nirreich]

AQ Khan, not Pakistan, otherwise one would have to argue that since entities in Western nations acted as suppliers of technology for Pakistani and Israeli nuclear programs, that it was those nations themselves that proliferated 'highly sophisticated nuclear technology' to Pakistan and Israel.

Secondly, Libya was sold a dud warhead design by AQ Khan, Iran was given an outdated centrifuge design, and there is no evidence NK was given anything - they already had a functioning Plutonium based nuclear weapons program, which allows for lighter and more powerful nuclear warheads. If anything, the North Koreans had the technology that Pakistan wanted, so it could shift away from HEU based nuclear weapons.

Proliferation from Pakistan by AQ Khan is nothing compared to the proliferation by entities in the West, that resulted in the nuclear weapons programs of Pakistan, Israel and other nations.

There is a difference between private assistance of companies to nuclear weapons programme and an official assistance of a sovereign country.

You are correct that companies in Europe and North America supplied Pakistan with nuclear dual-use technologies which helped it to develop its programme. However, in light of the various uses of the equipment they sold, some of these companies were deceived by the Pakistani agents or their proxies about the true use in these technologies. Moreover, Pakistan would probably could not develop nuclear weapons in the 1980's without the massive Chinese assistance in materials (including highly enriched uranium) and components, and above all - the entire knowledge how to manufacture a nuclear device which is considered highly sensitive information and sophisticated.

AQ Khan's nuclear proliferation project was more similar to the Chinese case than to the Western one. AQ Khan was an official who was employed by Pakistan's government. In my opinion there is no possibility that he worked on a private initiative in light of the magnitude of the nuclear assistance he gave to countries and long period it was going on. There is no option that in these circumstances the military and ISI were ignorant to AQ Khan activity. Moreover, this kind of assistance can only be possible if the military was behind it - and some of its chiefs (like former COAS Beg) openly advocated it.

What you called "outdated" designs are still the basis for Iran's nuclear weapons programme. After the Iranian complained for the first batch of old centrifuges, they received the design of the P-2 model which is more sophisticated and was used by Pakistan in its programme. North Korea received the same, and former President Musharraf admitted that. You are correct that NK already had an advanced plutonium programme, but the Pakistani assistance allowed it to develop a clandestine nuclear programme while the plutonium programme was shut down under its 1994 agreement with the US. Now, that their plutonium programme is running into difficulties, they have another option to develop nuclear weapons. Regarding Libya, without Pakistan's assistance hell was long time froze before Libya could develop nuclear weapons with no industrial and scientific infrastructure. The warhead design which was given to Libya (BTW in a most casual way) was the same one that was given to Pakistan by China and was used to develop Pakistan's nuclear weapons, so I would not underestimate it. There were also offers to Iraq under Saddam and to Saudi Arabia.

Pakistan is not the first country to assist other countries in developing nuclear weapons programmes. I have mentioned China, and the nuclear powers did it too (US and the UK, UK and France, Russia and China, France and Israel). However, the five nuclear powers refrained from this activity long time ago, in the middle of 1960's (China decided to adopt the same policy in the 1980's). Furthermore, Pakistan did not help ordinary countries, but to the most belligerent regimes:

Iran has aspirations to eliminate Israel, it support terror organisations, and it undermine Arab regimes (in Bahrain, Yemen, Iraq and Lebanon).

Libya is controlled by Gaddafi, a driving rage lunatic, who was already well known for his characters. Just imagine the catastrophe if he had nuclear weapons in the current situation in Libya (and for that matter, just imagine Saddam with nuclear weapons base on Pakistan's help).

The North Korean regime is shaped in the image of Orwell's book "1984": a fascist regime with personally cult which starve its people and constantly threatening South Korea and the US. NK is ready to help rogue countries like Syria, to develop nuclear weapons programmes, and even threatened to sell nuclear device/fissile materials.

These are the regimes that Pakistan decided to assist to develop nuclear weapons through the AQ Khan nuclear proliferation network. Add to that the case of the nuclear scientists and Bin Laden and you could see why Pakistan's decision to expand its nuclear programme is a serious reason for international concern. Pakistan has a negative record in nuclear proliferation and there is no guarantee that it will not happen again.

 

[Rafi]

We still have nukes and nobody can do anything about it, so forgot about it???? fugazi LoL

 

[nirreich]

We still have nukes and nobody can do anything about it, so forgot about it???? fugazi LoL

Good for you?!

 

[RazorMC]

Pakistan already exported quite sophisticated technologies to Iran, Libya, and North Korea. Iran's nuclear programme is mainly based on Pakistani assistance, and if the ever develop nuclear weapons it will be because of this assistance.

Largely based on coerced confessions of Dr. AQ Khan who has admitted to being pressurized into confessing it. We know how loyal our dear Mr.Musharraf was to Pakistan.

There were reliable reports that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were negotiated a nuclear deal. Regarding the security of the nuclear programmes, former nuclear scientists met Bin Laden few weeks before 11/9 and offered their services.

Is this the same intel that said Iraq already possessed WMDs which then became the main excuse for attacking it?

 

[RazorMC]

There is a difference between private assistance of companies to nuclear weapons programme and an official assistance of a sovereign country.

Not entirely true, since exporting such equipment requires clearing a lot of red-tape bro. So the countries themselves are involved however indirectly.

 

[T-Rex]

You are so lame, Why are you in this forum? To convince/influence with your opinions? How exactly? You do not communicate, you do not present any facts to support your arguments, you have anti-Semitic and primitive perceptions, and you do not know nothing about anything. You are just damaging the image of your own country and of its people. You are acting like anti-Semitic stereotype, straight from history books on typical Nazis. Are you for real? Do yourself a favour and sit quietly, your situation is already beyond embarrassing.

You silly and pathetic anti-Semite: What more do you want? I am ready to admit that all your stupidity is true and that pigs can fly, just present an evidence to your "concentration camps". I have already realised that no matter what proof I will present to disclaim your infantile arguments, you are not rational in your criticism which drives only on hatred against Israel. So, I am giving you the floor to make your case.

And again, waving with numbers of countries is not a proof of anything, this is all you could think of? What if a majority of countries would support Israel's policy? you will change your mind just because of that?

BTW, Israel's policy in Gaza has the support of all the ones who counts: the US and EU countries which sincerely concern about human rights and are ready to make efforts to guarantee them. The opinion of your own country and other failed states is insignificant and hypocritical: They should take care of their own human rights violations before lecturing Israel.

So, what do you say? escaping again for the hundred time or at last making a real argument like a growing and civilised human being? If you do not present any facts, then everyone could see the obvious: that your anti-Semitism got to do with your psychological situation and not with reality.

N-Reich, your hatred towards me for telling you on your face what you are, knows no bounds. However, I’m not surprised at all, matter of fact, it is expected of you and your likes. As I mentioned earlier, Gaza is a modern day “Crackow”. During WW II the Nazis imposed similar siege upon the residents of that Polish city. Just as Hitler’s Germany needed “breeding space” for the Germans we hear from Zionists like you that the Israelis need breeding space, just as Hitler talked of peace and at the same time occupied other countries, Israelis also talk of peace and at the same time occupies Palestine. You zionists may not like Hitler but you have most certainly perfected his cunning and diabolical policies in the West Bank and Gaza. As for the topic, the ‘noble’ agents of mossad is probably busy contacting ‘Tim Osman’ to sabotage Pakistan’s 4th plutonium reactor.

 

[nirreich]

N-Reich, your hatred towards me for telling you on your face what you are, knows no bounds. However, I’m not surprised at all, matter of fact, it is expected of you and your likes. As I mentioned earlier, Gaza is a modern day “Crackow”. During WW II the Nazis imposed similar siege upon the residents of that Polish city. Just as Hitler’s Germany needed “breeding space” for the Germans we hear from Zionists like you that the Israelis need breeding space, just as Hitler talked of peace and at the same time occupied other countries, Israelis also talk of peace and at the same time occupies Palestine. You zionists may not like Hitler but you have most certainly perfected his cunning and diabolical policies in the West Bank and Gaza. As for the topic, the ‘noble’ agents of mossad is probably busy contacting ‘Tim Osman’ to sabotage Pakistan’s 4th plutonium reactor.

Proofs? Facts? Something? This bubbling is all you got?

 

[T-Rex]

Proofs? Facts? Something? This bubbling is all you got?

N-Reich, your attitude is like that of Shylock in Shakespeare’s “Merchant of Venice”. Have you read the play? I suggest that you read it. Shakespeare was extremely skilful in bringing to light the dark side of people like you. Now, do you consider Shakespeare as an “anti-semite”? If you do I would say you’re not only arrogant but also ignorant.