Four 'ASWJ workers' gunned down in Karachi

[Hell hound]

In an ideal situation the government should identify them and army/rangers/police should take action against them. But due to the lack of such action I can only be happy that such elements are being sent to hell. I am just a pessimist. I do not think government is willing or capable of taking action against militants.

Also SeM has rarely or possibly never targetted innocent civilians like the LeJ. Vigilantes are created when the current system fails utterly.

pakistan is not wild west at least not yet.but what you are advocating will definitely make it.

 

[Khafee]

Agencies of different country are involved in it . i am damn sure.

This is something people on BOTH sides of the sectarian divide fail to understand, resulting in a never ending vicious cycle of unnecessary deaths.

 

[Max]

Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat is Deobandi Organization. As far bombing incident the one is talking about was in the event of Sunni Tehreek , a Barelvi Sect Organization.There seems no clash b/w Barelvis and Shias, Its Deoband vs Shias, they declare Shias as 'Kafir' becoz of venom they spit for Sahaba RA

not only with Shia, Sunni have no clash with anyone, but they [sipah sahaba] are invlove in killing of Sunnis too..

It have nothing to do with Sahaba [r.a] its more about Saudi Iranian proxy war. There is no such Fatwa of Sunni Akabirs which States you should target kill shia's bcoz of Tabbara.. There was nothing like "yeh bhi kafir wo bhi Kafir jo na mane wo bhi Kafir" before Iranian revolution..

 

[Signalian]

“Both men sustained bullet wounds on the head and the injured man in his 40s is in serious condition” Qarar added.

Professionals at work.

 

[Suff Shikan]

not only with Shia, Sunni have no clash with anyone, but they [sipah sahaba] are invlove in killing of Sunnis too..

It have nothing to do with Sahaba [r.a] its more about Saudi Iranian proxy war. There is no such Fatwa of Sunni Akabirs which States you should target kill shia's bcoz of Tabbara.. There was nothing like "yeh bhi kafir wo bhi Kafir jo na mane wo bhi Kafir" before Iranian revolution..

Not becoz of Tabarra, Kindly consult Ulma for more. And ask whatever you want and you will be answered.

 

[Max]

Not becoz of Tabarra, Kindly consult Ulma for more. And ask whatever you want and you will be answered.

then why they kill Shia if not for tabbara?

 

[B@KH]

Not becoz of Tabarra, Kindly consult Ulma for more. And ask whatever you want and you will be answered.

wahabi ? deobandi ? saudi tatoos.
do not pose smart when you are blind and ignorant.

Listen to this scholar and Alim of Ahle Hadith. not a saudi tattoo.

declaring Qazi Hussain Ahmed as KAFIR

then why they kill Shia if not for tabbara?

Politics.of GENOCIDE.
it is their job to kill. they kill everyone not alone shias.
they are trained to kill from childhood by the saudi mafia.
they attack shias, sunni barelvis, christian, sikhs, etc etc

 

[Suff Shikan]

Sorry, but not a credible source.

then why they kill Shia if not for tabbara?

Its not the forum to discuss the religious beliefs, kindly do some research. I am not imposing my beliefs on u, just asking you to find it out yourself.

 

[B@KH]

Sorry, but not a credible source.
Its not the forum to discuss the religious beliefs, kindly do some research. I am not imposing my beliefs on u, just asking you to find it out yourself.

credible source ? any credible source except Holy Quran.

Just name it. it will expose you.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

This shows faisal raza abidi certainly were on somthing. Stablishment is unleashing those who cud even think about destablize Pak.
Everyone have to pay of their wrong doing against Pak or their people either is shia sunni or anyone els.

 

[haviZsultan]

credible source ? any credible source except Holy Quran.

Just name it. it will expose you.

The man in your second video is Hakimullah Mehsud btw. He has blood of thousands of Pakistanis including shias on his hand. Under his leadership the most attacks against Pakistan occurred. 2009 is the year of some of the worst attacks.

Jamat E Islami which gives him moral support including Qazi Hussain are being denounced and proclaimed heretics by Hakimullah Mehsud. Proves clearly that the slave has bit its masters hand. Yet the sunni mullahs are unwilling to acknowledge this fact. We sunnis have to ask the simple question before denouncing shias how many suicide bombings, road side bombings and cruel killings have shias done and how many LEJ, Taliban, Al Qaeda, Nusra, ISIS, Shabaab, Boko Haram have done. These are all sunni groups. Terrorism is a sunni thing, sorry to say and we have to acknowledge this if we want to beat terrorism. Shias are far more tolerant than us.

When a muslim decides not to do Takfir he is strong and unites people. When he has his sights set on declaring ahmedis kaffir and telling others how their beard should be or how high his shalwar should be he weakens Islam.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Cant condemn it.. rather happy about it... These insects are involved in target killings of innocent people themselves.. so well done..

 

[haviZsultan]

The aftermath of this is a massive operation against shia individuals who many would argue had no role whatsoever in the killing of these ASWJ mullahs. Now lets note what role the courts have played in this. We already know that courts were responsible for the release of Abdul Aziz Ghazi who praised Laden and named a library after him. Another act by the courts was to declare ASWJ legal in 2014 after being banned for a small period. On the other hand even moderate groups of shias like tehreek e jafaria have been banned regularly including in 2002.

This is the heart of the problem. Why should a shia life lost or any other minority be treated as expendable. We all know the link ASWJ has with LeJ yet we are blind and deaf, even after the brutal killing of police cadets near Quetta. I don't understand what the government and courts are doing. Note this article:

http://tribune.com.pk/story/243274/...-of-every-4-terror-suspects-go-us-state-dept/

Now NAP or National Action Plan should have eliminated these kinds of biases of supporting militants by courts but it has not fully been implemented. A solid policy is needed. One where we acknowledge that those killing our minority groups are also terrorists, not just TTP which is killing sunnis recklessly. We can't fight terrorism if we tolerate or in this case sanction it against shias.

I will tag some Quetta friends here since the problem is most visible in it and its surrounding parts. Do suggest a solution

@Baloch Pakistani @DESERT FIGHTER @Irfan Baloch

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The aftermath of this is a massive operation against shia individuals who many would argue had no role whatsoever in the killing of these ASWJ mullahs. Now lets note what role the courts have played in this. We already know that courts were responsible for the release of Abdul Aziz Ghazi who praised Laden and named a library after him. Another act by the courts was to declare ASWJ legal in 2014 after being banned for a small period. On the other hand even moderate groups of shias like tehreek e jafaria have been banned regularly including in 2002.

This is the heart of the problem. Why should a shia life lost or any other minority be treated as expendable. We all know the link ASWJ has with LeJ yet we are blind and deaf, even after the brutal killing of police cadets near Quetta. I don't understand what the government and courts are doing. Note this article:

http://tribune.com.pk/story/243274/...-of-every-4-terror-suspects-go-us-state-dept/

Now NAP or National Action Plan should have eliminated these kinds of biases of supporting militants by courts but it has not fully been implemented. A solid policy is needed. One where we acknowledge that those killing our minority groups are also terrorists, not just TTP which is killing sunnis recklessly. We can't fight terrorism if we tolerate or in this case sanction it against shias.

I will tag some Quetta friends here since the problem is most visible in it and its surrounding parts. Do suggest a solution

@Baloch Pakistani @DESERT FIGHTER @Irfan Baloch

the Courts actions specially during CJ Iftikhar's reign were aimed at hitting the army and mocking it. they didnt have anything to do with sectarianism if the shias or Beralvis were on the rececing end due to attacks on imambargash and shrines then it was an unfortunate coincidence which didnt really bother Ch Ifitikhar.. I recall the boastful chants and declarations by Lal Masjid arrested students who inside the premises of Ismalabad High courts and allegedly in front of the judges declared that they were proud of their fight against Pakistan army and will continue their fight whether they were released now or released after serving their sentences. Ch Iftikhar made it a personal point of getting these terrorists released via his supporting judges

i remember one of the motvalis of Lahore Ganj Bakjsh shrine lamented why the Muslim taliban were attacking shrines .. they were the same people of faith and had no role in Musharraf;s war on terror in support of America.. I said quietly .. its because we remained quiet when these "muslims" were only targeting shias. now the human blood lust was insatiable and we had to pay with our blood for our complicit behaviour

now that Faisal raza abdi has been arrested and his planned appearance to the Karachi courts has been announced already I think there is a high chance that TTP will use this opportunity to assassinate him and thank the information leak later. that guy has cursed TTP and his supportive anchors and politicians a lot over the years and its a miracle he has lived that long. finding illegal weapons in his house also doesnt help his case specially when few innocent trainee TTP members in its political outfit ASWJ were recently gunned down.

well, Shias have avenged themselves now, no?
now ASWJ will attack shias,
they will attack back
and the vicious cycle will continue

rest in peace to the innocent ASWJ members. alas they didnt even get the chance to become full members and join TTP to blow themselves up for 72 virgins

Cant condemn it.. rather happy about it... These insects are involved in target killings of innocent people themselves.. so well done..

this might be an act of one agency. gunning down of ASWJ , if not done by the police encounters.... normally results in attacks on civilians including shia community

 

[haviZsultan]

the Courts actions specially during CJ Iftikhar's reign were aimed at hitting the army and mocking it. they didnt have anything to do with sectarianism if the shias or Beralvis were on the rececing end due to attacks on imambargash and shrines then it was an unfortunate coincidence which didnt really bother Ch Ifitikhar.. I recall the boastful chants and declarations by Lal Masjid arrested students who inside the premises of Ismalabad High courts and allegedly in front of the judges declared that they were proud of their fight against Pakistan army and will continue their fight whether they were released now or released after serving their sentences. Ch Iftikhar made it a personal point of getting these terrorists released via his supporting judges

I agree here. The judicial system is hand in glove with the terrorists. I am not a shia/hindu/christian/sikh/ahmedi. But I believe we need to build an inclusive society which is equal for all.

i remember one of the motvalis of Lahore Ganj Bakjsh shrine lamented why the Muslim taliban were attacking shrines .. they were the same people of faith and had no role in Musharraf;s war on terror in support of America.. I said quietly .. its because we remained quiet when these "muslims" were only targeting shias. now the human blood lust was insatiable and we had to pay with our blood for our complicit behaviour

I am surprised the motvali was not directly supporting the attacks on shrines or other places of worship. The disease has spread inside our society with the help of these mullahs and a long list of Taliban sympathizers. Without them, our courts, our governments which work with terrorists nothing of the current situation Pakistan is suffering is possible.

now that Faisal raza abdi has been arrested and his planned appearance to the Karachi courts has been announced already I think there is a high chance that TTP will use this opportunity to assassinate him and thank the information leak later. that guy has cursed TTP and his supportive anchors and politicians a lot over the years and its a miracle he has lived that long. finding illegal weapons in his house also doesnt help his case specially when few innocent trainee TTP members in its political outfit ASWJ were recently gunned down.

If TTP pops Raza Abidi or even somehow deletes the PPPP from power forever however unlikely it will be a favor to humanity. Though I hate the Taliban it has been the PPPP regime that has supported militancy when it favors them and Indian designs in Pakistan. Mian Mithoo from the Rinkle Kumari case was contesting elections on a PPPP ticket. Similarly ZAB was as bad as Zia. Similarly Zardari appointed people like Asma Jehangir and Hussain Haqqani. I mean there isn't anything wrong with liberals, I am one myself and a staunch secularist but critics should not have a role in statecraft like these 2 people who do not have complete faith in the idea of Pakistan. The role of critics is not to govern. You need people with complete faith and love for Pakistan in those positions. Result is before you. Thousand+ cleared visas for American CIA operatives.

Back to Abidi. It was during PPPP governments time when I ran into a bit of trouble from our neighbors. Instead of protecting me, their citizen the entire institutions were against me and later we found out it was full of RAW agents, our own FIA we are talking about. Not a strand of justice was received even by the agents that discovered this. 3 brothers who investigated successively were killed one after the other. In short I know things which would raise your hair and cause a shiver down your spine. Yadhav is only the tip of the iceburg.

But yes, coming back. Abidi is a shia so he is being targeted. The response when a shia kills someone and a sunni kills someone is starkly different. The thing to note here is that there is a different law for a shia/ahmedi/christian/hindu than their is for a muslim. And this is more than 90% of the problem.

rest in peace to the innocent ASWJ members. alas they didnt even get the chance to become full members and join TTP to blow themselves up for 72 virgins

lol. They will get male thugs hopefully when they rise again for 72 virgins. Their parent organization LeJ has worked in collusion with TTP though and ASWJ members know it. Yet they join these kinds of organizations. Another reason why common sunnis should not sympathize with these people. They are spreading fasad and we just see what the shias are doing wrong. Its our logic and our conservative, orthodox thinking that is the cushion that protects the Taliban. Mumtaz Qadri anyone?