foundation stone of new GHQ in islamabad after budget

[CHI RULES]

Brother i am 100% sure majority of Pakistan respects PA but that doesn't mean that PA can sit on high moral ground and keep looting or keep protecting those looting this country!

And sacrifices doesn't give them right to construct shitty motorway! They are disrespecting their shaheeds themselves!

The FWO is there mainly to keep the mountain area roads operational throughout the year and they are perfect in their job.
Yes the accountability should be strict in army from top to down I am quite agreed with u however security institutions in their internal matters are not fully answerable even in countries claim to be champions of democracy like CIA and Nato itself. May be the right thing is you should report this motorway issue to COAS directly in written letter, believe me u shall get some response.

I am my self working in a big financial institution where executives often use the lower staff for personal work but discourage lower staff to do so. Same is case of TADAs they get freely but lower staff gets TADA after much difficulty. Such malpractices are quite common in our private financial sector. Hope every one understands my point.

 

[mikaal hassan]

The FWO is there mainly to keep the mountain area roads operational throughout the year and they are perfect in their job.
Yes the accountability should be strict in army from top to down I am quite agreed with u however security institutions in their internal matters are not fully answerable even in countries claim to be champions of democracy like CIA and Nato itself. May be the right thing is you should report this motorway issue to COAS directly in written letter, believe me u shall get some response.

so in your view no one should ask the military anything because it comes under security issue? issues like SELLING YOUR people to USA in the name of war on terror ,Giving USA BASES all over Pakistan without any questions asked ,creating political chaos in an ATOMIC POWER COUNTRY for own benefit , would you like me to give you more examples ?
THE ARMY NAVY AND AIR FORCE are being paid large amount of money to keep the country safe,think ahead ,bring a vision , A 2017 THINKING , since 2001 ALL THE CORE COMMANDERS have got BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS no one in the whole country can get up and QUESTION them about decisions they make because they cant be prosecuted ,
DID any one got hanged for PNS MEHRAN ATTACK how much did it cost our country ...ans is BIG FAT NO.
Which GENERAL resigned after OBL OPERATION IN ABBOtTABAD .....ans is BIG FAT NON. where is the report it will never be published .
Who sold PTCL a strategic asset of our telecommunication it was not a done by a Politician or under Civilian government .Not a single country in the world will sell there one of the most important Security asset .GUESS what we haven't been paid for it fully yet after the sale its been 10 + years and the amount owed is $800 million .
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CARRY ON WITH MORE EXAMPLES ?i will suggest again let things calm down and you should refrain from replying on this thread .

 

[mikaal hassan]

Dont forget forgiving dawn leaks culprits and selling nadra data for foreign agencies
kindly please let things calm down on this thread .

kindly let things calm down on this thread now

 

[CHI RULES]

so in your view no one should ask the military anything because it comes under security issue? issues like SELLING YOUR people to USA in the name of war on terror ,Giving USA BASES all over Pakistan without any questions asked ,creating political chaos in an ATOMIC POWER COUNTRY for own benefit , would you like me to give you more examples ?
THE ARMY NAVY AND AIR FORCE are being paid large amount of money to keep the country safe,think ahead ,bring a vision , A 2017 THINKING , since 2001 ALL THE CORE COMMANDERS have got BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS no one in the whole country can get up and QUESTION them about decisions they make because they cant be prosecuted ,
DID any one got hanged for PNS MEHRAN ATTACK how much did it cost our country ...ans is BIG FAT NO.
Which GENERAL resigned after OBL OPERATION IN ABBOtTABAD .....ans is BIG FAT NON. where is the report it will never be published .
Who sold PTCL a strategic asset of our telecommunication it was not a done by a Politician or under Civilian government .Not a single country in the world will sell there one of the most important Security asset .GUESS what we haven't been paid for it fully yet after the sale its been 10 + years and the amount owed is $800 million .
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CARRY ON WITH MORE EXAMPLES ?i will suggest again let things calm down and you should refrain from replying on this thread .

If u are a uk citizen having Pak roots even then u do not have proper know how abt above facts. Please 1st ask questions abt expenses of British royal family and raise ur voice against the sale of fatal ammo to Israel by UK then try to bring transparency in PA.
I am amazed that on one side u are raising allegations without facts on other side refraining me to oppose ur false allegations that's sad.

1- Do you honestly think only Generals were involved in OBL incident. It was bound to happen by joint collaboration. In the end we cannot oppose USA/West especially when they are doing operations under umbrella of UNO. Pak so far do not have enough resources like Iran to face whole world alone. No Govt could/has opposed US operations except regarding few areas.

2- Corps commanders had nothing to do with PNS Mehran attack it was to be dealt by PN. Proactive approach is missing at every level that's why our country is under developed. The attack was not executed by ordinary militants but specially trained guerrillas same is case with other attacks, ordinary security personnel shall always struggle against such attacks. Even if u deploy SSG people u may curtail well planned attacks but can't assure zero collateral damage.

3- If PTCL was sold then it was planned long that it shall be privatized, for sensitive telecommunication NTC is already established and functioning.

Hope you counter facts by facts not by childish approach.

 

[CHI RULES]

dude go away


got any more cheap shots you have got you can bring it on any time .
Go sort out the mess created by the amred forces top brass 1st then start pointing fingers at others how they manage there country .CLEAR example for idiot like you is what happend with the Dear GENERAL Raheel Sharif
you dont go around the other side of the world to sort out someone else shit when you cant sort out your own house mess in the end you just make your self look like a fool because you got out played again in BIG BOYS GAME.
I Advised you twice to calm down and go away from this thread but you being an emotional cheap person who thinks the TOP BRASS OF THE ARMED FORCES have done nothing wrong in past 20 + years .you can come up with as many excuses as you want but the truth is there in black and white about MRAPS ,OBL OPERATION, how this forums 2nd most favorite GENERAL MUSHARRAF sold PTCL,How innocent people where sold to USA in the name of WAR ON TERROR ,Gave bases to USA without the knowledge of anyone non of them are allegations its the TRUTH .
when the Army is done with kissing americans arses come back on this forum other wise dont take me as any other member and i am certainly not zarvan .
FOR A CHANGE be man enough which i doubt it you are to admit that your wrong with all the excuses you have given one after another .

U sir here is to spread shit only, instead of having patience for accepting opposing views. U are not moderator or running this forum, if u try try to raise false allegations against not only PA but any of the institution then people like me shall oppose you by facts not just using rough language and low moral values u have shown. May be u should rest in England instead of worrying about ur native land as people like me are always there to defend the country as a whole. U gave shit to negate my solid points which shows ur low level character and just utter hatred for PA. I don't know what PA personnel have done with u, I may only pray for u, May Allah guide u on right path.
The slaves can't take independent decisions whether they like it or not. Many financially strong Muslim countries have become concubine of USA how the hell u expect PA to stand against NATO/ISAF when they have the mandate from UNO. Let people like me to worry for this country who are living here and shall die here instead of hardships.
The same army if had few few corrupt Generals as per your views than there are number of others who served their country with dignity and faced losses for that. Shitty people like U have no right to defame them and PA.

 

[mikaal hassan]

U sir here is to spread shit only, instead of having patience for accepting opposing views. U are not moderator or running this forum, if u try try to raise false allegations against not only PA but any of the institution then people like me shall oppose you by facts not just using rough language and low moral values u have shown. May be u should rest in England instead of worrying about ur native land as people like me are always there to defend the country as a whole. U gave shit to negate my solid points which shows ur low level character and just utter hatred for PA. I don't know what PA personnel have done with u, I may only pray for u, May Allah guide u on right path.
The slaves can't take independent decisions whether they like it or not. Many financially strong Muslim countries have become concubine of USA how the hell u expect PA to stand against NATO/ISAF when they have the mandate from UNO. Let people like me to worry for this country who are living here and shall die here instead of hardships.
The same army if had few few corrupt Generals as per your views than there are number of others who served their country with dignity and faced losses for that. Shitty people like U have no right to defame them and PA.

Its people like you who are blindly following on pied pipers tune like rats and haven't got the patience to listen to any criticism at all .I havent posted any critism i just gave you some of the OPEN dirty shit the THE TOP BRASS OF so called HOLLY ARMY HAVE been up to from last 20 odd years.
so in your view YOUR DEAR GENERAL MUSHARRAF never sold any Pakistanis to USA .or even if he did it was under UN mandate .Are you on some kind of medication or something or you have lost all your marbles .

 

[The Eagle]

Members need to be careful with choice of words during conversation as well as criticism that does not justify the use of inappropriate, insulting and provocative remarks. Keep it clean and continue your discussion with civility and manners.

 

[mikaal hassan]

Members need to be careful with choice of words during conversation as well as criticism that does not justify the use of inappropriate, insulting and provocative remarks. Keep it clean and continue your discussion with civility and manners.

i have tried my best but the member keeps getting personal on nearly every single post and i am amazed that he has been allowed to continue .

 

[The Eagle]

i have tried my best but the member keeps getting personal on nearly every single post and i am amazed that he has been allowed to continue .

Report such posts WITHOUT QUOTING BACK or DOING SO IN RETURN and move on that Mods will take care of the matter. Report button to be utilized in such situations.

Regards,

 

[Kabira]

Senate panel takes up Army’s plan to shift GHQ to Islamabad today

ISLAMABAD: The issue of the shifting of the GHQ from Rawalpindi to Islamabad came to light after nine years when an official of the Capital Development Authority earlier this month informed a sub-committee of the parliament’s Public Accounts Committee that the military authorities had revived plans to shift the GHQ to the capital, and was ready to kick off construction on the project.

Interestingly, the sub-committee was also headed by Senator Mushahid Hussain.

An audit report had raised two objections with regards to the plan which, according to the audit claim, will cost the CDA over Rs4 billion. The audit report said the CDA had acquired 870 acres in sectors D-11 and E-10 for the GHQ at a rate of Rs1,159 per square yard, but allotted the land to the GHQ at a subsidised rate of Rs200 per sq yd.

The report said the subsidised allotment “resulted into loss to the authority amounting to Rs4,034 million”.

When a committee member asked why the CDA allotted subsidised land to the GHQ and why the authority did not charge the full amount, acting CDA Chairman Sheikh Ansar Aziz responded that the prime minister at the time had approved the subsidy, but if the PAC issued directives to charge the full amount, the authority could write to the federal government to pay the CDA the entire sum.

The committee subsequently issued directions for the CDA to receive the actual cost of the land and write to the federal government in this regard.

The army had announced in October 2008 that it had halted construction of the new GHQ in Islamabad because of the economic crisis faced by the country.

“The project of new GHQ’s construction in Islamabad has been suspended on the directives of Chief of the Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani,” an official statement issued by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) had said, adding that the army shared the nation’s quest for economic stability through a spirit of sacrifice.

The project worth over Rs60bn had been inaugurated by then president and army chief Gen Pervez Musharraf in Sept 2004, but the actual work began in 2007.

‘Pentagon-style military headquarters’

Political parties, including the PPP and the PML-N, had severely criticised the project and called it a “Pentagon-style military headquarters”.

The PPP had raised the matter in the Senate in November 2004 and complained that the market price of 870 acres of land was Rs505.296bn while it was being provided to the military authorities for only Rs842m, causing a loss of Rs500bn to the CDA.

At the time of laying foundation stone of the GHQ Complex, Gen Musharraf had stated that in no way the shifting of these headquarters should increase the load on the existing facilities in Islamabad, such as schools and hospitals and expressed the hope that this project would be able to generate major economic activity in the capital.

The then ISPR Director-General, Maj Gen Shaukat Sultan, had informed the media persons that the government had earmarked 1,400 acres in Islamabad for construction of the defence ministry and office of the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee. He said due to paucity of financial resources, the construction work of the GHQ Complex could not be initiated, while the Naval and Air Force headquarters had already been set up. The DG had also said that the funds for the construction of the building would be managed through sale of surplus land in the different cantonments.

Speaking at a news conference in December 2005, the leaders of the PML-N had denounced the government’s plan to construct the new GHQ in the capital “as a huge housing scheme in the name of building “Defence Services Complex”.

Present Railways Minister Khawaja Saad Rafiq, information secretary Mushahidullah Khan and former lawmaker Syed Zafar Ali Shah had alleged that the GHQ project was the most expensive project in the country’s history.

The PML-N leaders had claimed that the new GHQ being constructed in the federal capital’s prime sectors of E-10 and D-11 would cost $2.4bn and would be the world’s largest GHQ when finished.

Mr Rafiq had even declared that “when completed the new GHQ would be the eighth wonder of the world”.

The PML-N leaders had also provided details of the project, claiming that according to their information, there would be 90 bungalows of six bedrooms, 300 bungalows of four bedrooms and 14,750 luxury apartments.

Besides this, they had claimed that three lakes covering 45 acres would be created inside the complex, which would have 12 schools and two colleges for the children of officers serving in the GHQ. Besides this, they had claimed that it would be the only GHQ in the world to have commercial high-rise buildings.

Asking the military leadership not to put “this huge financial burden on the poor people of the country”, they had also criticised the statement of the then prime minister Shaukat Aziz that the GHQ would be built by army through sale of its own lands.

“What will we do if tomorrow Pakistan railways starts selling its lands to build its head office in the same fashion,” Mr Rafiq, who interestingly holds the portfolio of the railways ministry now, had said.

There have been no official words from the ISPR on the issue despite the fact that the media has been reporting for quite some time about the military’s decision to revive the plan.

Published in Dawn, June 19th, 2017