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Former DG ISI demanded resignation and threatened with Martial Law - Nawaz Sharif

as well as being prescribed for us as Muslims.
nope, it isnt. any system that delivers justice is an Islamic system, be it democracy, one party rule or a dictatorship. the only thing Islam has emphasized is counsel, and that too of those who are qualified to give it. not just any lallu panju who has money to throw around.
 
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what are his plans the way he has come out is unknown but it seems his talks with the establishment is not successful.
is he himself nailing the coffin?
i don't know his decision or at whose dictation he is doing it but in the end if we get rid of him what else can be good for Pakistan.

My own views and biases aside. From what I've heard, Nawaz has come to conclude from three terms ending in the establishment removing him that the status quo/hybrid regime and lack of civilian rule is not good or sustainable. This is not something new, when he came back the last time, he knew he’d have to face prison time, I think if he wanted to then he could have easily just stayed in London as he is doing now, he came back picking a fight.

Since then Shahbaz has been trying a different path, one that doesn’t involve fighting the establishment, he wanted to make deals with the establishment. The contents of what he lobbied for are not known to me, but it could range from asking them to remove support from the government of its coalition partners (who are simply our establishment’s stooges), to planning new and safeguarding future elections, or it even could be asking the establishment to dump PTI all together and 'embrace' the opposition.

Nawaz was not in favour of dealing with them, but some in his party were. Those attempts came to nought eventually. During these attempts at backroom dealing with the army, Maulana took to the streets in open defiance, coverage of his rallies, speeches were blocked. The support Maulana would have hoped for from larger PML and PPP did not come, the former was busy deal making, the latter is more afraid of losing it's grip on Sindh, and is not in favour of immediate elections.

However the situation has changed, with government crackdown on politicians through NAB, media freedoms being curbed, pressure on the judiciary, and a loss of opposition confidence in the assembly... opposition has somewhat united against the government and enough momentum has been built up to start some agitation which the opposition has done none of since this government was elected. However, the wildcard is Nawaz and Maulana's direct attacks on the establishment, half of PTI and most of PPP don't want to pick a fight there, so things are fluid and could change. Also, Senate elections are also coming up and the opposition are worried that they will be left no quarter.

The way forward that has been outlined by the opposition, that in the coming months, they'll start small scale demonstrations and protests in small towns, peripheries and local movements will come to the streets. I think Quetta might be among the first major towns. Then they'll being street movements to their respective provincial levels, and finally they aim to come to Islamabad with enough momentum to achieve something worthwhile.

On the opposite end, they face the following challenges:

Firstly, the government will do all in its power to prevent mass movement, that includes more NAB cases, more pressure on media through PEMRA, more heavy handed tactics to curb dissent. There will also be backroom dealing with some more pliant PML and PPP members, some of them can be made to move a little when needed.

Secondly, the aims of this united opposition movement are not completely unified. Maulana and Nawaz are for taking on GHQ, the rest of PML and all of PPP are scared shitless of doing anything of that sort. PPP does not want fresh elections, the rest of the opposition are calling for fresh elections as a base level demand. Their politics and outlook are also quite varied.

Thirdly, the army has made it clear, they'll not suffer any instability caused by the opposition. They are very actively trying to sideline Maulana who might be seen as a prime thread, from the rest of the opposition. He is the only one who can't be dealt with by usual force, and he was the first to move against both government and establishment. If you bring down a bludgeon on the head PPP and PMLN, they tend to cower and cry, when you arrest Sharifs or Zardaris, their momentum falls apart, but... do that with JUI-F's crowd and you will make a bad situation worse.

Also, it could be that PML and PPP end up blinking some time in the coming weeks and months and making some sort of deal with the army, that they latter may or may not adhere to.

nope, it isnt. any system that delivers justice is an Islamic system, be it democracy, one party rule or a dictatorship. the only thing Islam has emphasized is counsel, and that too of those who are qualified to give it. not just any lallu panju who has money to throw around.
True, I'm simplifying wrongly, I'll accept your point. Islam can allow for both, but wouldn't favor one or the other if terms of Islamic laws/principles are violated.
 
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But the more important thing, similar to Altaf Hussain too, is whether he is telling the truth or not. Because if he is indeed telling the truth then it is a massive revelation.......if he is telling a lie then well, as a politician it is their primary language.
Its not a massive revelation mere bahi... many people know Zaheer ul Islam tried to sack Nawazu but Raheel Shareef Sacked him up...
 
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guys can anyone tell me why this hush hush
and why now
if anyone can read between the lines
 
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Its not a massive revelation mere bahi... many people know Zaheer ul Islam tried to sack Nawazu but Raheel Shareef Sacked him up...

How can the ISI chief try to sack a Prime Minister? It is not possible without explicit instructions from the Army Chief; so either Raheel Sharif was in on the whole thing and he simply made Zaheer-ul-Islam a scapegoat or the whole thing is a lie and Zaheer-ul-Islam never threatened NS to resign.
 
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How can the ISI chief try to sack a Prime Minister? It is not possible without explicit instructions from the Army Chief; so either Raheel Sharif was in on the whole thing and he simply made Zaheer-ul-Islam a scapegoat or the whole thing is a lie and Zaheer-ul-Islam never threatened NS to resign.
Bahi ISI cheif threatened because that's the mindset of the person... Nawazu came to power through rigging and Zaheer ul Islam just wanted him gone during the protests so he sent a message... Nawaz told Army Cheif and Army cheif sacked Zaheer ul Islam for it...

There is no way Raheel Shareef was on it as Raheel Shareef was apolitical all he wanted was to focus on anti terror efforts which he succeeded into..
 
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"I will not come to Pakistan now. Praise be to God, I have received an order to build a missile in the United Kingdom" - Narendra Sharif Yadav
Nowadays two things are very dangerous, one is Nawaz Sharif is a traitor and the other is Corona, may Allah protect Pakistan from these two epidemics
 
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Im more interested to know how Zaheer ul Islam met the PPP cover girl Palwasha Khan..
wtf he thought he was doing.,
 
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Shuja Nawaz's book that has confirmed these claims. Has anyone here read it, or read the section pertaining to 2014 dharna and DG ISI allegations?
 
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My own views and biases aside. From what I've heard, Nawaz has come to conclude from three terms ending in the establishment removing him that the status quo/hybrid regime and lack of civilian rule is not good or sustainable. This is not something new, when he came back the last time, he knew he’d have to face prison time, I think if he wanted to then he could have easily just stayed in London as he is doing now, he came back picking a fight.

Since then Shahbaz has been trying a different path, one that doesn’t involve fighting the establishment, he wanted to make deals with the establishment. The contents of what he lobbied for are not known to me, but it could range from asking them to remove support from the government of its coalition partners (who are simply our establishment’s stooges), to planning new and safeguarding future elections, or it even could be asking the establishment to dump PTI all together and 'embrace' the opposition.

Nawaz was not in favour of dealing with them, but some in his party were. Those attempts came to nought eventually. During these attempts at backroom dealing with the army, Maulana took to the streets in open defiance, coverage of his rallies, speeches were blocked. The support Maulana would have hoped for from larger PML and PPP did not come, the former was busy deal making, the latter is more afraid of losing it's grip on Sindh, and is not in favour of immediate elections.

However the situation has changed, with government crackdown on politicians through NAB, media freedoms being curbed, pressure on the judiciary, and a loss of opposition confidence in the assembly... opposition has somewhat united against the government and enough momentum has been built up to start some agitation which the opposition has done none of since this government was elected. However, the wildcard is Nawaz and Maulana's direct attacks on the establishment, half of PTI and most of PPP don't want to pick a fight there, so things are fluid and could change. Also, Senate elections are also coming up and the opposition are worried that they will be left no quarter.

The way forward that has been outlined by the opposition, that in the coming months, they'll start small scale demonstrations and protests in small towns, peripheries and local movements will come to the streets. I think Quetta might be among the first major towns. Then they'll being street movements to their respective provincial levels, and finally they aim to come to Islamabad with enough momentum to achieve something worthwhile.

On the opposite end, they face the following challenges:

Firstly, the government will do all in its power to prevent mass movement, that includes more NAB cases, more pressure on media through PEMRA, more heavy handed tactics to curb dissent. There will also be backroom dealing with some more pliant PML and PPP members, some of them can be made to move a little when needed.

Secondly, the aims of this united opposition movement are not completely unified. Maulana and Nawaz are for taking on GHQ, the rest of PML and all of PPP are scared shitless of doing anything of that sort. PPP does not want fresh elections, the rest of the opposition are calling for fresh elections as a base level demand. Their politics and outlook are also quite varied.

Thirdly, the army has made it clear, they'll not suffer any instability caused by the opposition. They are very actively trying to sideline Maulana who might be seen as a prime thread, from the rest of the opposition. He is the only one who can't be dealt with by usual force, and he was the first to move against both government and establishment. If you bring down a bludgeon on the head PPP and PMLN, they tend to cower and cry, when you arrest Sharifs or Zardaris, their momentum falls apart, but... do that with JUI-F's crowd and you will make a bad situation worse.

Also, it could be that PML and PPP end up blinking some time in the coming weeks and months and making some sort of deal with the army, that they latter may or may not adhere to.

very true analysis! it is true everyone is picking his own fight your above analysis also predicts the same somewhat and it makes me think this movement will not be successful.

Maulana tried his best and now he is like uncertain himself, his efforts went in vain all because PMLN did not want him to lead this movement they wanted themselves on the front seat. and then establishment kept him waiting.

Nanwaz played his cards well before it was time. by speaking against establishment, presenting himself 'from the people' and not someones man. but it is too early it was not the time these tricks only works when elections are seeing on the horizon because people tend to forget things.

the other thing is opposition is not willing to submit resignations although this is not the time for it but they never talk about it. this gives an impression they are only testing their other options to drag establishment into it which is not happening at least by now and this forced Nawaz to speak out of nowhere.

Marium when call Shahbaz the leader of Punjab disclosed her own intentions. it seems she is seeing no future for her father. her lack of vision is bringing both brothers close to a point which can be a disaster for PMLN.

the other thing is opposition is not willing to submit resignations although this is not the time for it but they never talk about it. this gives an impression they are only testing their other options to bring establishment into it which is not happening atleast till now, they know it has happened several times before hence they are expecting.

yesterday's PM statements are giving another message needs to be dissected.
 
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In any other country a person like Sharif won't even win a seat at the village council.


I hope against hope PTI make a Seraiki province so that chances of PML-N ever coming back to power seriously decrease. Punjabis of Lahore and Gujranwala etc can elect Sharifs for next 50 years atleast the rest of the country won't suffer because of it.
Implement Article 6 and banned him and his political party.
 
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