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Former DG ISI demanded resignation and threatened with Martial Law - Nawaz Sharif

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oh is that right? BUT your bc mian went to its inauguration in 2014! invited moohdhi and its henchmen doval to its wedding! the visit of sajjan jindal!!! do you close your eyes to this historical facts on purpose?
After effects of donkey biryani.
 
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The London Plan and related events are not new news for some us, this may come as shocking or unbelievable to some folks because the truth has been kept from the public. Nawaz has yet to divulge the one most shocking detail that I’m aware of, of all his dealings with the army leadership during the last government.
 
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Why you include PTI.
Infact PTI is enjoying, today no press conference from any PTI minister against NS/PMLN.
Its a direct fight now, PTI all to gain from here no doubt.
this is what my Lawyer friend told me
PTI leadership maybe enjoying this turn of events.
establishment is never exposed this way before.
Mian sahib 1 establishment 0
 
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Its not a secret anymore... but what he hid was that Raheel Shareef sent that ISI cheif home
I can actually believe this happened. There were rumors flying around during the time that some generals and ISI officers were talking aboutadoing a coup.

Probably, the only reason why it never occurred was likely because, like you suggested, the army chief, and the army in general is sick of coups.

Funnily enough, whereas Pakistan is becoming more and more democratic, India is becoming more and more authoritarian. I wouldn't be surprised if India ends up being a dictatorship in a decade or so (though I doubt it'll happen).
 
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The London Plan and related events are not new news for some us, this may come as shocking or unbelievable to some folks because the truth has been kept from the public. Nawaz has yet to divulge the one most shocking detail that I’m aware of, of all his dealings with the army leadership during the last government.
Yeah can't wait for the pig to be back for a fourth time so that all the piglets can do their bhangra while the country goes to shit.
 
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The London Plan and related events are not new news for some us, this may come as shocking or unbelievable to some folks because the truth has been kept from the public. Nawaz has yet to divulge the one most shocking detail that I’m aware of, of all his dealings with the army leadership during the last government.

Why would anyone be shocked? This news was already published by Dawn back then (so don't 'not new news for some of us') and Maryam tweeted a complete denial then too! Now this scum is claiming Maryam's declared fake news to be true. Whole family is genetically scum and liars.

Generals of past groomed and protected this scum and if generals of present have decided not to protect him anymore, he can bark and disclose all he wants on the internet it won't make much difference. No clinton or arab royal families can save and revive his dead political dynasty! His supporters are a drying shrinking minority and all it will take is a court order to confine him to social media only (just like Altaf murderer).

Diesel is more dangerous and he will be eliminated in due course as well.

Dawn leaks should be reopened and his scum daughter should be behind bars. Volume 10 needs to be made public as well. Petty scum thinks he can blackmail the state.
 
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Yeah can't wait for the pig to be back for a fourth time so that all the piglets can do their bhangra while the country goes to shit.

Nobody wants their country to go to shit. Just differing views on what’s best.
Why would anyone be shocked? This news was already published by Dawn back then (so don't 'not new news for some of us') and Maryam tweeted a complete denial then too! Now this scum is claiming Maryam's declared fake news to be true. Whole family is genetically scum and liars.

Generals of past groomed and protected this scum and if generals of present have decided not to protect him anymore, he can bark and disclose all he wants on the internet it won't make much difference. No clinton or arab royal families can save and revive his dead political dynasty! His supporters are a drying shrinking minority and all it will take is a court order to confine him to social media only (just like Altaf murderer).

Diesel is more dangerous and he will be eliminated in due course as well.

Dawn leaks should be reopened and his scum daughter should be behind bars. Volume 10 needs to be made public as well. Petty scum thinks he can blackmail the state.

Do you advocate democratic self rule in Pakistan? Or would you prefer subversion/removal of democracy as long as the scum are dealt with? (Parts in bold I’m asking about)

Genuinely curious about your view/ideology on this.

Also, are you saying that generals are supporting or protecting Nawaz? I think you’ve got it completely diametrically wrong here. How do you reconcile that he is the one bashing generals and claiming foul play while you claim that he is under their protection?

By the way, doubtless Nawaz and others in all parties are the products of dictators like Zia and Musharraf. And also you’re right that Nawaz’s IJI was supported by the army in removing BB and winning the 1990 election, but also, not long after the army found him uncooperative and hence removed, remember that “will not take dictation” speech? I’ve yet to see something of the sort from PM IK in contrast.
 
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Nobody wants their country to go to shit. Just differing views on what’s best.
Your idea of 'whats best for the country' is for Nawaz to be back at the PM's house and that is akin to country going to shit.


Something tells me you have consumed copious amounts of a special biryani.
 
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Nobody wants their country to go to shit. Just differing views on what’s best.


Do you advocate democratic self rule in Pakistan? Or would you prefer subversion/removal of democracy as long as the scum are dealt with? (Parts in bold I’m asking about)

Genuinely curious about your view/ideology on this.

Also, are you saying that generals are supporting or protecting Nawaz? I think you’ve got it completely diametrically wrong here. How do you reconcile that he is the one bashing generals and claiming foul play while you claim that he is under their protection?

By the way, doubtless Nawaz and others in all parties are the products of dictators like Zia and Musharraf. And also you’re right that Nawaz’s IJI was supported by the army in removing BB and winning the 1990 election, but also, not long after the army found him uncooperative and hence removed, remember that “will not take dictation” speech? I’ve yet to see something of the sort from PM IK in contrast.

Personally I couldn't care less what system of governance we have as long as it's effective. I live in a parliamentary democracy. Every 5 years I get the chance to vote who'll mismanage the country. Accountability is non existent, political opposition is often opposition for the sake of it, not for the betterment of the country. If we could have effective, competent technocrats and no elections - i wouldn't miss them. Even the government you vote for will do something you don't want them too.
 
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Do you advocate democratic self rule in Pakistan? Or would you prefer subversion/removal of democracy as long as the scum are dealt with? (Parts in bold I’m asking about)

Genuinely curious about your view/ideology on this.

Pakistan doesn't have democracy, never had! Just because people voted doesn't mean it is democracy. Democracy is meant to deliver for the people, not for the elected to become filthy rich.

What I would like to see: Direct Election of Leader (after complete vetting and security clearances of all candidates by all institutions followed by debates and questioning of candidates in public domain) - majority vote taker nationwide gets to lead (unlike American system that's not based on nationwide votes).

Also, are you saying that generals are supporting or protecting Nawaz? I think you’ve got it completely diametrically wrong here. How do you reconcile that he is the one bashing generals and claiming foul play while you claim that he is under their protection?

Read my post again. Generals of past groomed and protected Nawaz scum, whereas current Generals are not interested in protecting him.

remember that “will not take dictation” speech? I’ve yet to see something of the sort from PM IK in contrast.

Too late for this 'will not take dictation' mantra. After taking the feeders from generals sitting in their laps to come to the top, the scum can't become nazriyati. Changa Manga nizriyati :lol:

You are blind hence you can't see!

IK's primary concern is not democracy, his primary concern is delivery for the wellbeing of general public. China doesn't have democracy and it has risen as a superpower within less than 3 decades! Democracy is not the be all and end all ...
 
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Nobody wants their country to go to shit. Just differing views on what’s best.


Do you advocate democratic self rule in Pakistan? Or would you prefer subversion/removal of democracy as long as the scum are dealt with? (Parts in bold I’m asking about)

Genuinely curious about your view/ideology on this.

Also, are you saying that generals are supporting or protecting Nawaz? I think you’ve got it completely diametrically wrong here. How do you reconcile that he is the one bashing generals and claiming foul play while you claim that he is under their protection?

By the way, doubtless Nawaz and others in all parties are the products of dictators like Zia and Musharraf. And also you’re right that Nawaz’s IJI was supported by the army in removing BB and winning the 1990 election, but also, not long after the army found him uncooperative and hence removed, remember that “will not take dictation” speech? I’ve yet to see something of the sort from PM IK in contrast.
Nobody wants their country to go to shit. Just differing views on what’s best.


Do you advocate democratic self rule in Pakistan? Or would you prefer subversion/removal of democracy as long as the scum are dealt with? (Parts in bold I’m asking about)

Genuinely curious about your view/ideology on this.

Also, are you saying that generals are supporting or protecting Nawaz? I think you’ve got it completely diametrically wrong here. How do you reconcile that he is the one bashing generals and claiming foul play while you claim that he is under their protection?

By the way, doubtless Nawaz and others in all parties are the products of dictators like Zia and Musharraf. And also you’re right that Nawaz’s IJI was supported by the army in removing BB and winning the 1990 election, but also, not long after the army found him uncooperative and hence removed, remember that “will not take dictation” speech? I’ve yet to see something of the sort from PM IK in contrast.
As I have explained many times before, the issue we have is not what Nawaz Sharif and co have said this time, the issue is with their conduct and what they stand for. They are just self serving corrupt politicians and thats it - the pressure being applied on military is not for restoring democracy but to get relief from court cases (by making military interfere in court proceedings) and let them indulge in their corruption and politics again unchecked in Pakistan. Once Military decides to give them a favorable deal they will take it as they have done it numerous times before. Pakistani public will be left hanging dry without any democracy and rule of law, with difference of being under a civil feudal dictatorship instead of a uniformed one.

Pakistani people’s need to establish democracy and rule of law without any interference of Military is a genuine cause, but the problem is the people claiming to lead this effort are corrupt to the core with no integrity, and will never let rule of law be established in Pakistan - they just want their reign back. An establishment of rule of law and democracy would mean an end to Military role, but also the top tier of PPP and PMLN behind bars (if not on gallows).

Our people need to develop a genuine political movement and get rid of the compromised scum first, who keeps making them go in circles every ten years, and take charge them selves. You cannot have billions of unexplainable wealth lying in offshore accounts, clear documented proofs of money laundering via TTs and then set out to have a political fight vs military to restore democracy and rule of law. We need an honest leadership and political class who is not compromised - because if you are compromised the system can silence you by producing their proofs in courts.
IK has that edge at-least where he cannot be sent home packing or blackmailed due to a clean financial record.
 
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Former DG ISI Zaheer-ul-Islam demanded my resignation in the middle of night and threatened with Martial Law during dharna - Nawaz Sharif blames

Mr Nawaz Sharif too late, when you come from backdoor, then people who escorted you in, they eventually escort you out ... a bitter reality. Zia ul Haq gift to Pakistani nation. A bitter reality from Ayub Khan to Zia ul haq and later ...
 
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