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Former American ambassador Munter ascribes frayed ties to ‘Pakistan fatigue’


I certainly hope so, Mr. Munter.

I have nothing but admiration for Cameron Munter. He is a very thoughtful person and a great representative of American people. Best of luck in your future endeavors, Mr. Munter.

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I have to agree. Munter wasn't necessarily a bad ambassador. However, our relationship with the US will remain extremely complicated and volatile. America has found itself an ally in India to counter China. Pakistan on the other hand is a firm ally of China. That just doesn't work. Additionally, we have had a history of betrayal, backstabbing and misunderstanding from both sides for decades. Particularly the American treachery after the Cold War lives vividly in our memory. It is not only Pakistan fatigue in the US, but it is also US fatigue inside Pakistan. The Pakistani masses at least had enough. This is what happens when one forces itself into a relation which is doomed from the beginning.

Trump ought to go ahead with the ban which hopefully might give our spineless leaders the courage to say that enough is enough. Otherwise there is little hope. The only way forward for Pakistan and the US is to call it a day. It didn't work out and time has come to move on.
 
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I have to agree. Munter wasn't necessarily a bad ambassador. However, our relationship with the US will remain extremely complicated and volatile. America has found itself an ally in India to counter China. Pakistan on the other hand is a firm ally of China. That just doesn't work. Additionally, we have had a history of betrayal, backstabbing and misunderstanding from both sides for decades. Particularly the American treachery after the Cold War lives vividly in our memory. It is not only Pakistan fatigue in the US, but it is also US fatigue inside Pakistan. The Pakistani masses at least had enough. This is what happens when one forces itself into a relation which is doomed from the beginning.

Trump ought to go ahead with the ban which hopefully might give our spineless leaders the courage to say that enough is enough. Otherwise there is little hope. The only way forward for Pakistan and the US is to call it a day. It didn't work out and time has come to move on.


International relations are not as black and white. The Pivot to Asia has been criticised by many, even within the U.S. Army which is rare if you have met U.S. servicemen.

As for U.S. and Pakistan relations, we have plenty of interests, i.e., economic, security, technology, etc. Above all, how can a developing nation like Pakistan cut itself off from an economic and technology giant like U.S.? It just isn't possible.

I'm not a huge fan of some of the policies pursued by President Obama but it is what it is.

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International relations are not as black and white. The Pivot to Asia has been criticised by many, even within the U.S. Army which is rare if you have met U.S. servicemen.

As for U.S. and Pakistan relations, we have plenty of interests, i.e., economic, security, technology, etc. Above all, how can a developing nation like Pakistan cut itself off from an economic and technology giant like U.S.? It just isn't possible.

I'm not a huge fan of some of the policies pursued by President Obama but it is what it is.

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The damage has been inflicted long ago. The US has no intention of changing its behavior on the world stage. After the election things have become very clear. Many Americans are happy to have elected a bully. Someone who has a track record of nasty and ugly behavior. It is no secret where Trump intends to take his country.

Having said that, US Pakistan relations have always been based on mistrust and a slave master relation. It speaks volume when someone like Ayub Khan had come to this conclusion during his lifetime.

Our disagreements on virtually every issue far outweigh our common interests. Pakistan's future lies with allies closer to home. Pakistan needs trade and development. Not aid and bribe to do someone else's bidding.
 
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Absolutely require good relation with USA. Besides other things USA is an eduational and tech power house.
Problem have been spineless military and corrupt civil govt. Who would always low ball themselves. A silly reactive foreign policy. With NS both as PM and FM, foreign policy was already out of door. Zardari was pathetic to the least, his domestic and foreign policies were loot and loot.
 
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What you refer to as "Pakistan Fatigue" in America, we refer to as "Usual American lying, back stabbing and bitching" in Pakistan.

By the way we know what you are trying to do, I think the time has now come to shove that carrot up your American arse and leave us alone.


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Munter ascribes frayed ties to ‘Pakistan fatigue’
By Shahbaz Rana
Published: January 24, 2017
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Cameron Munter. PHOTO: FILE

SWITZERLAND / DAVOS: Relations between Pakistan and the United States have been frayed by ‘fatigue’ for the past two years and the only way to repair the ties is to have success on the ground and work on people-to-people contacts, says a former American ambassador to Pakistan.

After a period of great commitment and great effort on the American side to work not only on counterterrorism but also in the development of Pakistan by building social capital and the country’s relations with its neighbours, there is a feeling that many of these things did not work, Cameron Munter told The Express Tribune in an exclusive interview on the sidelines of the annual World Economic Forum.

Munter described this state as ‘Pakistan fatigue’ in the American circles.

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“Over the last couple of years, there has been [a perception] in Washington what we call ‘Pakistan fatigue’,” he added.

Munter, who served as the US ambassador in Islamabad between 2010 and 2012, is currently President of the East West Institute (EWI) – one of the largest independent think tanks working for conflict resolution.

Negativity aside, Munter was upbeat Pakistan could repair ties with the US by demonstrating successes in the areas that mattered to both countries.

Munter acknowledged his time as ambassador in Pakistan was very difficult. “[There were] many … good things that people wanted to do, but could not,” he said. “Following this period of more modest expectations, what we are hearing today from Raheel Sharif is the possibility that there could be an upsurge in ties.”

Munter spoke to The Express Tribune after attending a talk by former army chief General (retd) Raheel Sharif at the Pakistan Breakfast, organised by the Pathfinder Group.

Raheel narrated successes achieved by the country in the wake of Pakistan Army’s counterterrorism operations and sacrifices rendered by the Pakistani nation. He also spoke about the possibility of forging good relations with all neighbours, including India, “with dignity and honour”. He advised Pakistan to maintain a “fine balance in its relations with all global powers”.

“Perhaps with the new administration in Washington, perhaps with a fresh look, and perhaps with a focus on economics,” both the US and Pakistan can have good relations in future, said Munter.

He said there was a possibility that America could contribute to Pakistan’s success and that they could do so in economics. “I am cautiously optimistic, but it is going to take a change in mood in the US away from Pakistan fatigue,” said Munter.

Echoing Raheel’s remarks, he said the best way for this happen was to have successes on ground. “Perhaps this will demonstrate to the US that there is a common cause and they can do things together, especially in business and commerce,” he added.

US-Pakistan relations: some inconvenient truths

Commenting on the US Office of Inspector-General’s report on the Obama administration’s inability to achieve its goals attached with the Kerry-Lugar aid because of conflicting interests of the USAID and the US State Department, Munter said: “I am a little more sceptical about the possibilities of assistance … I am much more optimistic about the possibilities of private sector development.”

“Whatever the intents and whatever the past, I would look at the future much as General Raheel Sharif does,” he said. “Private sector development does not only mean business, but also university-to-university cooperation and NGO-to-NGO cooperation.”

He said the government-to-government assistance should be put behind and focus should now be on businesses and institutions and “the kind of things the people of Pakistan and the people of American do the best”.

About the possibility of a Free-Trade Agreement, Munter said there was a real perception that the security situation in Pakistan was so difficult that got in the way of many good projects.

He said there were many institutions in the US that were still very apprehensive about going to Pakistan because of Pakistan’s reputation.

With achievements on the terrorism front, a lot of these things can be part of the past. As these trends work in the direction of security, a sense of fairness and openness, countering corruption, speaking honestly about corruption, give a direction to future Pakistan-US businesses and institutions.

Pakistan, he said had “wonderful people and … a great future”.

“I just hope Pakistan and America can get back to the kind of relationship where they should be … Friends as they have been in the past and partners as they should be in the future.”

Published in The Express Tribune, January 24th, 2017.
 
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Negativity aside, Munter was upbeat Pakistan could repair ties with the US by demonstrating successes in the areas that mattered to both countries
do more!!!! no thanks!!! now its ur turn do something/ anything?????

Absolutely require good relation with USA. Besides other things USA is an eduational and tech power house.
Problem have been spineless military and corrupt civil govt. Who would always low ball themselves. A silly reactive foreign policy. With NS both as PM and FM, foreign policy was already out of door. Zardari was pathetic to the least, his domestic and foreign policies were loot and loot.
america is becoming irrelevant mate and with donald duck we can always hope for the best,
 
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Does that change his gene pool ? So did many Afghanis here then


More like confused desi struggling to find where the loyalty lies

You were wrong to question my honor before and now you're wrong to question my loyalty. My loyalty is with Pakistan. It doesn't matter where your born what matters is your blood.

You think these ignorant Americans would ever accept a Pakistani or any Muslim even if they were born in the U.S.?
 
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You were wrong to question my honor before and now you're wrong to question my loyalty. My loyalty is with Pakistan. It doesn't matter where your born what matters is your blood.

You think these ignorant Americans would ever accept a Pakistani or any Muslim even if they were born in the U.S.?
Hence the question ? Why stay there then ???!

We need overseas talent that has exposure to outside world
 
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Hence the question ? Why stay there then ???!

We need overseas talent that has exposure to outside world

Oh trust me I plan on moving back to Pakistan. I recently bought property around Lahore but haven't started building the house yet. :bounce:
 
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Words do not heal wounds. Consider this;
And USA is talking of "amending ties by contacting people"? Are you fuK*(ing out of your minds? You think you'll do every possible $hit with Pakistan and we will hug you because you are Americans?
 
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We cannot work one way street with Americans when they are arming incompetent Afghan govt specially trained with motivation to face Pakistan and Iran...while treat India has friendly!
Question should be that what is the alternative for leadership role in Afghanistan? Haqqani Network?

Unfortunately, groups like Haqqani Network do not represent much of Afghanistan either. They are exceptions.
 
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