Foreign Warships Will Need Iran's Permission to Pass through Strait of Horm

[longbrained]

Maybe Iranians should also send subs and navy ships up to three miles of New York as gambit pointed out. That way, US can not do a damn thing about it. It is called innocent. Iranians should seriously think about it. As should other nations including China, Russia, Pakistan etc etc.

 

[Xeric]

That part is factually incorrect. Under UNCLOS, the EEZ extends to 200 miles while territorial waters extend upto 12 miles. The Persian Gulf still remains unresolved wrt EEZ. So far the Straits of Hormuz is concerned, Oman has a claim on it too. So Iran has to contend with that also. BTW, the designated shipping lanes through the Straits mainly pass through the Omani limits.

Correct.

He also missed that it is the territorial waters, that concerns this discussion, as it is regarded as "the sovereign territory of the state" (thus giving the authority to countries to monitor/block it), and not the EEZ, as EEZ only give a country "special rights over the exploration and use of marine resources, including production of energy from water and wind."

i think he mixed up the two things.

 

[Star√ation]

Maybe Iranians should also send subs and navy ships up to three miles of New York as gambit pointed out. That way, US can not do a damn thing about it. It is called innocent. Iranians should seriously think about it. As should other nations including China, Russia, Pakistan etc etc.

That's utterly true. But before doing that, they should arm theirs subs with dozens of nuclear warheads first. Oh, but they need nuclear engine too, that's sound complicated, huh?
Hey, how about bring the whole Iranian state up to three miles off New York. That would be perfect, the Iranian could launch their nuclear missiles whenever they want it. Pretty convenient, huh? And a nuclear war would likely be very fun. LOL

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Maybe Iranians should also send subs and navy ships up to three miles of New York as gambit pointed out. That way, US can not do a damn thing about it. It is called innocent. Iranians should seriously think about it. As should other nations including China, Russia, Pakistan etc etc.

Sure, why not? Everybody including Somalia, Mongolia, Rwanda and Congo can send their ships to New York. To be precise, upto 12 miles off because that is the limit of territorial waters. Whats the big deal.

 

[third eye]

Correct.

He also missed that it is the territorial waters, that concerns this discussion, as it is regarded as "the sovereign territory of the state" (thus giving the authority to countries to monitor/block it), and not the EEZ which concerns this debate as EEZ only give country "special rights over the exploration and use of marine resources, including production of energy from water and wind."

i think he mixed up the two things.

Thanks Xeric and Popeye

Sitting in office one often just glances at the post & shoots from the hip.

Points taken, error noted.

 

[T90TankGuy]

after reading the posts of many Iranian and US members here i feel they all need to take a step back . Iran need to ask itself if they want to face NATO (the US will bring them in) and loose their sovereignty , as a result of an ensuing war which will follow should any US warships be hit. look at Iraq and Afghanistan , do you want that for your own country .

at to the US members , Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan . these are the guys who took on Saddam and kicked his butt , when you guys supported him , you might win the battle, but the war? i doubt it (also depends how you define a win).
so hope wiser heads prevail . and this situation is defused . cuz quiet frankly i am tired of this region being so volatile.

 

[Always Neutral]

after reading the posts of many Iranian and US members here i feel they all need to take a step back . Iran need to ask itself if they want to face NATO (the US will bring them in) and loose their sovereignty , as a result of an ensuing war which will follow should any US warships be hit. look at Iraq and Afghanistan , do you want that for your own country .

at to the US members , Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan . these are the guys who took on Saddam and kicked his butt , when you guys supported him , you might win the battle, but the war? i doubt it (also depends how you define a win).
so hope wiser heads prevail . and this situation is defused . cuz quiet frankly i am tired of this region being so volatile.

Are you sure they kicked Iraq's butt? My history tells me it was a draw / stalemate. If US and EU want to ban Bank of Iran its their perogative. Iran cannot ban shipping in International waters. Let them sell to oil to whomever they wants to by commodity swap.

 

[T90TankGuy]

Are you sure they kicked Iraq's butt? My history tells me it was a draw / stalemate. If US and EU want to ban Bank of Iran its their perogative. Iran cannot ban shipping in International waters. Let them sell to oil to whomever they wants to by commodity swap.

you are right in so far as saying they shouldn't stop international shipping.
as to the war which was started by saddam , it failed to achieve what it set out to do . and they were not able to capture any worthwhile land . so by that definition , he lost.
also in this part of the world loosing face is considered defeat .

 

[Harry_Thomason]

If US and EU want to ban Bank of Iran its their perogative.

Thats breaking a lot of international treaties, and as experts say, it can be interpreted as an act of war. So no, its not "their prerogative" to do as they please. It would be similar if Iran would unilaterally close international waters, lets say Oman's Gulf, or is it also Iran's prerogative?

Iran cannot ban shipping in International waters. Let them sell to oil to whomever they wants to by commodity swap.

Did you missed this whole thread? Iran may close its territorial waters, same as US can close its territorial waters to lets say, Iran's warships. Its a sovereign territory.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Did you missed this whole thread? Iran may close its territorial waters, same as US can close its territorial waters to lets say, Iran's warships. Its a sovereign territory.

About this territorial waters bit. Iran can close its territorial waters to any body, the Americans or the Martians. And territorial waters extend upto 12 miles.

However Iran's territorrial limit does not extend over the entire Straits of Hormuz. At the narrowest part of the straits, Oman has territorial jurisdiction too. That is the position under International Law.

 

[Harry_Thomason]

About this territorial waters bit. Iran can close its territorial waters to any body, the Americans or the Martians. And territorial waters extend upto 12 miles.

However Iran's territorrial limit does not extend over the entire Straits of Hormuz. At the narrowest part of the straits, Oman has territorial jurisdiction too. That is the position under International Law.

Correct, however as I understand, water in Oman's side is shallow, and largely unsuitable for tankers and carriers. Thats why Iran has a good card on this one, under international law.

However, if war happens, Iran can close anything they choose - in war everything goes. Same applies to US, or you think US Navy would think "oh, we cant get closer than 12 miles to Iran, its territorial waters!", in war such limits disappear.

 

[IranZamin]

Maybe Iranians should also send subs and navy ships up to three miles of New York as gambit pointed out. That way, US can not do a damn thing about it. It is called innocent. Iranians should seriously think about it. As should other nations including China, Russia, Pakistan etc etc.

There are already plans to send warships near the US coast

 

[Abingdonboy]

Yeah, pull the other one- it's got bells on it.


Iranian navy vs USN, I know who my money's on.

 

[SinoChallenger]

Yeah, pull the other one- it's got bells on it.


Iranian navy vs USN, I know who my money's on.

The Iranians taught the USN a lesson in Operation Preying Mantis, remember?

If Iran has Yakhont, which I suspect Russia has sold to them secretly, then they can put a big hole in the USN carrier.

 

[PERSIAN GOD KING]

The Iranians taught the USN a lesson in Operation Preying Mantis, remember?

If Iran has Yakhont, which I suspect Russia has sold to them secretly, then they can put a big hole in the USN carrier.

Iran said a few months ago they tested worlds fastest cruise missile called zafar, then they said they were going to unveil it but they did not. maybe the death of moghadam has something to do with it. but if zafar is real i say it would travel at >mach3 which is very good.

Iran to introduce Zafar cruise missile - Naval Technology

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In 80s during the time of Shaikh Rashid Bin Saeed Al Maktoum (born 1912 - died October 7, 1990) the father of the current Ruler of Dubai (Shaikh Muhammad bin Rashid Al Maktoum) had foreseen the issue of the blocking of the Strait and the consequences it will have on the Gulf countries using it and to counter that he had a view of creating a canal through the northern areas of UAE, a canal that could be used as an alternative to the Strait in case of any threat.

During the Iraq-Iran war (when Iran gave orders to it's naval boats to attack oil tankers and other ships in the Arabian Gulf and then later stopped the attacks), Dhahi Khalfan Tamim (current Chief of Dubai Police) on a usual visit to the majlis of Shaikh Rashid bin Saeed as a citizen found that an Iranian delegation was present in the majlis. They delegation left 10 after he arrived. He asked a person next to him who are those people, he replied they are Iranians and have come to Shaikh Rashid to ask him to leave "his idea". Dhahi Khalfan asked what is his idea? The man said, Shaikh Rashid had sent a person indirectly to the Iranians to let them know that a canal will be made from Fujairah (on the eastern coast of UAE) to Ras Al Khaimah (on the western coast of UAE) to connect the Arabian sea with the Arabian Gulf and hence cancelling the historic importance of the Hurmuz Strait as long as Iran fires missiles and using fast boats to attack the ships / boats using the normal navigational lines and that Iran should stop this act of it's which is exposing the oil tankers and cargo ships and vessels to danger.

Through his idea of cutting a canal by passing the Strait of Hormuz, Shaikh Rashid had made them understand that the strategic importance of the Strait of which Iran is controlling can be cancelled any time and that even the strategic importance of the 3 islands occupied by Iran due to their strategic importance can be cancelled from their thoughts if a canal was made as he visioned.

A slightly changed form of the idea was later studied in detail by the Government of Dubai in 2008 with the option of a canal from the shore of Dubai (instead of Ras Al Khaimah) to Fujairah

LOL what a pile of ****.

provide evidence to what your saying. also how long will it take for you to make a canal from uae and link it to the indian ocean? so better get those camels and shovels ready eh.
as for the island, persian existed long time before the arabs, i find it funny how you say the island are yous lol, just like how you say the Persian gulf is arab gulf.