Foreign Warships Will Need Iran's Permission to Pass through Strait of Horm

[navtrek]

Just answer the question straight: Do you believe that Iran has the right to deny Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, and Iraq from sea access via the Strait of Hormuz?

Well the answer is YES if the above mentioned countries try to threaten Iran with a War alongside the US and her allies

 

[yyetttt]

Question: Why does USA have a warship there in the first place?

 

[Pak_Sher]

Here are some basic info...

- Strait of Hormuz - ESSENTIAL INFORMATION

If 'innocent passage' is not recognized, any state can seize passage and hold other states hostage, militarily and economically. You can do further research using keywords 'international law passage waterway'.

Thank you for the information. Good Stuff.

 

[third eye]

1.It is a narrow strait located between the Gulf of Oman and the Persian Gulf. Iran borders the Strait of Hormuz to the north, and the United Arab Emirates and Oman's Musandam Peninsula border it to the south. See the map above.

2. Much of the Persian Gulf relies on the Strait of Hormuz to export its petroleum and reach the ocean, making it one of the world's most important oil supply routes.

3. About 15 million barrels of crude oil pass through the Strait of Hormuz on a typical day. About a fifth of the world's oil supply goes through the strait.

4. The strait is 21 miles wide at its narrowest point, and despite Iran's threats, it has never managed to cut it off completely to traffic.

Question : Why should Iran alone have a lien on the water way. Why not the other nations on the far bank ? It is as much their right as any one else.

 

[IndoUS]

Can't the UN or one the country make a canal, and charge the passage like the Panama Canal. It will solve a lot of problem.

 

[third eye]

Can't the UN or one the country make a canal, and charge the passage like the Panama Canal. It will solve a lot of problem.

See map in post 34 above.

Canal from where to where ?

..and to what avail ? The waters are part of the EEZ of other nations too not Iran alone.

 

[Black Widow]

Thanks for bringing up the Map.. On one side of gulf Iran lies while other side Oman,UAE, KSA and Kuwait lies. So saying that "Only Iran has right of this gulf " is unjustified. I can see lot of Pakistani brothers claiming that Iran has right to embargo the gulf, I may ask them what is the right of KSA,UAE and Kuwait??

I don't know how American justify bringing there Supercarrier so near to any nation (Be it Islamic or non Islamic), if there super carrier would have been came so near to India, India would have taken strong consideration.

No matter how weak I am, you can not enter my bedroom... (Still I am not clear if American supercarrier violates any international rule. So My logic may not applicable here)

 

[Harry_Thomason]

Question : Why should Iran alone have a lien on the water way. Why not the other nations on the far bank ? It is as much their right as any one else.

Every nation has the right for an export, and if Iran is denied of it, they can close their coastal waters (where shipping lanes go). Tit-for-tat.

Its funny how some think Iran can be bullied, under constant threat of an attack, exports embargo, and yet they cannot defend themselves in any way? They can and they should.

 

[heartrocker22]

Ek sher aarz kiya is news par
"Maine kaha ghalib se
Ae ghalib kyun apni kabar khood raha hai,
Ae ghalib kyun apni kabar khood raha hai,
La phawda mujhe de"

this is what i call digging up your own grave

 

[third eye]

Every nation has the right for an export, and if Iran is denied of it, they can close their coastal waters (where shipping lanes go). Tit-for-tat.

Its funny how some think Iran can be bullied, under constant threat of an attack, exports embargo, and yet they cannot defend themselves in any way? They can and they should.

Thats just the point, what about the other littoral states across the strait ?

Their EEZ also extends into others EEZ. The strait is 21 miles at its closest, the EEZ of a nation is 12 miles, what about the others ?

 

[Al Bhatti]

Can't the UN or one the country make a canal, and charge the passage like the Panama Canal. It will solve a lot of problem.

In 80s during the time of Shaikh Rashid Bin Saeed Al Maktoum (born 1912 - died October 7, 1990) the father of the current Ruler of Dubai (Shaikh Muhammad bin Rashid Al Maktoum) had foreseen the issue of the blocking of the Strait and the consequences it will have on the Gulf countries using it and to counter that he had a view of creating a canal through the northern areas of UAE, a canal that could be used as an alternative to the Strait in case of any threat.

During the Iraq-Iran war (when Iran gave orders to it's naval boats to attack oil tankers and other ships in the Arabian Gulf and then later stopped the attacks), Dhahi Khalfan Tamim (current Chief of Dubai Police) on a usual visit to the majlis of Shaikh Rashid bin Saeed as a citizen found that an Iranian delegation was present in the majlis. They delegation left 10 after he arrived. He asked a person next to him who are those people, he replied they are Iranians and have come to Shaikh Rashid to ask him to leave "his idea". Dhahi Khalfan asked what is his idea? The man said, Shaikh Rashid had sent a person indirectly to the Iranians to let them know that a canal will be made from Fujairah (on the eastern coast of UAE) to Ras Al Khaimah (on the western coast of UAE) to connect the Arabian sea with the Arabian Gulf and hence cancelling the historic importance of the Hurmuz Strait as long as Iran fires missiles and using fast boats to attack the ships / boats using the normal navigational lines and that Iran should stop this act of it's which is exposing the oil tankers and cargo ships and vessels to danger.

Through his idea of cutting a canal by passing the Strait of Hormuz, Shaikh Rashid had made them understand that the strategic importance of the Strait of which Iran is controlling can be cancelled any time and that even the strategic importance of the 3 islands occupied by Iran due to their strategic importance can be cancelled from their thoughts if a canal was made as he visioned.

A slightly changed form of the idea was later studied in detail by the Government of Dubai in 2008 with the option of a canal from the shore of Dubai (instead of Ras Al Khaimah) to Fujairah

 

[Xeric]

Question : Why should Iran alone have a lien on the water way. Why not the other nations on the far bank ? It is as much their right as any one else.

Thats just the point, what about the other littoral states across the strait ?

Their EEZ also extends into others EEZ. The strait is 21 miles at its closest, the EEZ of a nation is 12 miles, what about the others ?

i think you missed posts # 10 and 17 on this thread.

 

[Chung wah]

When china can claim whole of south china sea, why cant iran claim Strait of Hormoz? please explain.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Thats just the point, what about the other littoral states across the strait ?

Their EEZ also extends into others EEZ. The strait is 21 miles at its closest, the EEZ of a nation is 12 miles, what about the others ?

That part is factually incorrect. Under UNCLOS, the EEZ extends to 200 miles while territorial waters extend upto 12 miles. The Persian Gulf still remains unresolved wrt EEZ. So far the Straits of Hormuz is concerned, Oman has a claim on it too. So Iran has to contend with that also. BTW, the designated shipping lanes through the Straits mainly pass through the Omani limits.

 

[Xeric]

Also;

".....Another threat to the Strait of Hormuz involves the ongoing dispute between the UAE and Iran over three islands – Abu Musa (1), Greater Tunb Island (2), and Lesser Tunb Island (3)– all located near the Strait of Hormuz. The island Abu Musa is of particular interest because it is thought to contain large deposits of oil. By 1992, Iran managed to informally secure the islands even though no official agreement had been made with the UAE.

The Gulf Cooperation Council and the UAE are reluctant to interfere for fear that Iran will retaliate by closing the strait. Claims to the islands are still being disputed, yet Iran has asserted dominance by developing military stations on these islands, particularly guarding Abu Musa. Such development on these strategic islands will only facilitate Iran’s capability to close off the straits and defend itself against US military attacks...." http://www.eoearth.org/article/Strait_of_Hormuz:​

Now if we keep in mind the UNCLOS (according to UNCLOS, if there are islands lying off a nation’s coast then the 12 miles extend from the outermost island), then Iran very well have the authority to lay its claim over the Strait. See how the area with a radius of 12 miles (territorial seas) would look like while keeping our centers at anyone of the three (disputed) islands i.e. Abu Musa and both the lesser and greater Tunb.

But ofcourse, we also know that the US has not ratified the relevant legislation on international maritime law: the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) for the reasons mentioned in post #17.